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Canon
December 17th, 2011, 03:41 PM
EVEN NEWER UPDATE: This page (http://canonrap.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/fateapocrypha/) will act as my table of contents for Apocrypha Volume 1, I can't be buggered to keep editing this first post and that at the same time. The latest 'drafts' of the translation will be posted in this thread and linked on that page accordingly.

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UPDATE: The completed Act 1 (edited, with inserts) can be found here (http://canonrap.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/apocrypha-act1/).

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This was pretty much just out of passing interest, so far this is the first page out of 9. Probably will continue, eventually. As usual, please alert me to any issues.

EDIT: Fixed the weird formatting. Was going to post this somewhere else.

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The sage cries out. "Open, Gate of Heaven. Bless us and bestow miracles upon us!"

Act 1 - Unbirth

-- It was a place endlessly surrounded by cravings.

Gluttony and lust bring forth avariciousness and a hunger for fame, in turn bringing forth violence and cajolery. Everyone gladly threw themselves into this endless hell.

The women sell their bodies, the men sell their violence.

The men sell their bodies, the women sell their honor.

Laughing, and being laughed at; devouring, and being devoured; jeering, and being jeered at; harming, and being harmed; violating, and being violated.

This is Shinjuku.

A place that only truly shone in the darkness of night.

A never-before-seen, and never-again-shall-be, battle royale between magi who had attained the qualifications of 'Master' and heroes summoned as 'Servant' -- that is the Holy Grail War.

A magus who had qualified and was now preparing to join the battle was here in Shinjuku as well.

However, he still had a dilemma.

...He could not summon his Servant.

On the roof of a multi-tenant building, a magic circle was drawn in human blood.

The etched circle glittered crimson -- and abruptly, as though something had been cut off, the light was lost.

".........It's not working."

The man dropped his shoulders in disappointment.

Before his eyes were four strangely-shaped knives and two butcher's knives.

It was a symbol to summon the Servant.

Using the six blades favored by that 'serial killer', the magus attempted to summon the Servant -- and failed.

"This isn't enough. Yeah, it's totally not enough."

Generally, having an item with an affinity to the heroic spirit will suffice in summoning a specific Servant.

For example, the sheath of the holy sword once wielded by the King of Knights.

Or perhaps the fossil of cast skin from the first snake in the world to shed its skin.

If you could prepare something like that, drawing a specific Servant is comparatively easier.

However, there existed two points which led to the failure of the summoning this time.

One was the caliber of the man as a magus. In this Holy Grail War, entirely unlike the Fourth, there are fourteen magi who become Masters. By necessity, there are also fourteen Servants. It is double the norm.

Following this, the Grail that originally would support the summoning can only exert half its strength, and the rest must be made up for by the magus.

And regrettably, the man was nothing more than a second-rate magus.

Another point was how weak the heroic spirit the man had been trying to summon was.

He was weak, though merely in terms of belief.

The Servant the man had been trying to summon was an existence from merely one hundred twenty years ago.

Despite his fame, he was not one who could match those who were worshiped as gods and heroes.

In short, what was needed -- was a push, by any means necessary.

"Now, what should I do...?"

As he lamented, the man scratched his head.

After a moment, he thought of a good idea. These six weapons were specialized blades used practically for one 'deed'.

In that case -- when would these weapons exercise their most proper function?

The answer was, obviously, when they were being practically used.

He will create a situation where these lethal weapons can be practically used -- if he can do this, the connection with the Servant should become strong enough for a summoning.

"So basically, I need a woman."

The man picked someone suitable for the role immediately.

There was a woman who sold her body to make a living. That was exactly what the woman currently by his side did, wasn't it? She was originally just a woman on whom he had cast a suggestion when he infiltrated this city. He had no hesitations in treating her as something disposable.

"...All right, let's do it."

As he incinerated the magic circle and left the building, the man's eyes switched from cold ones belonging to a magus to ones reminding you of a warm and innocent young man.

A host was his profession, his working name "Hikaru". The magus, true name Sagara Hyouma, melted away into the city of cravings -- practically perfectly.

* * *

To Rikudou Reika, the sounds of the heart were strange.

As her heart thumped, she lived. Without this sound, her brain, organs and limbs would be dead.

This fist-sized organ, sounding as though this small sound was all that it could manage, allowed one to live.

Reika could not help but feel it strange.

One does not live, but is allowed to live by the heart.

Hazily thinking such things -- that was how she spent her life, simply being swept along.

She still did not know what its purpose was.

Perhaps it was because she did not have a family.

Perhaps it was because she had been abused before she was adopted.

Perhaps it was because she could not do anything when she was a child.

......Reika knew nothing.

However, even if she did not know, a human being cannot survive without making money.

Even Reika knew this, so for the present, she decided to live on by selling her body.

Fortunately, she had never had trouble with a client.

Why did someone like her, passed by and suddenly hit on by a host on the streets, so easily agreed to live together with him -- knowing that she would be exploited?

Reika did not know why she did that, but it hurt her head to think, so she stopped.

Sagara Hyouma was kind.

At least, he did not use violence against her. The most he had ever done was ask for small sums of money.

Even when he did this, he did not threaten violence. He simply requested.

For some reason, she could not defy his requests -- she could never even have the intent to.

She did not quite understand, but perhaps this was the thing called "love".

Reika would think of this in that way. She would think of this, and be happy.

One day, the man may wake up by himself.

Or perhaps he may continue their love.

Marriage? Childbirth? A family? Or perhaps, divorce?

Both being far off into the future, they were a bother for Reika to think about.

She did not know what will happen in her life during the coming days, but at least, she will be allowed to live to the next day -- so Reika thought.

And she knew that this was wrong.

(Continue.) (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha?p=523208#post523208)

I3uster
December 17th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Very nice, thank you for doing this!

Arashi_Leonhart
December 17th, 2011, 03:52 PM
^

Lianru
December 17th, 2011, 03:54 PM
...Nice. Looking forward to more.

Pablo_Querte
December 17th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Thanks CanonRap!
Looking forward for the next part.

TypeWannabe
December 17th, 2011, 04:01 PM
The sage cries out. "Open, Gate of Heaven. Bless us and bestow miracles upon us!"

Where have I seen this before? As a sig? From whom?

Kotonoha
December 17th, 2011, 04:01 PM
Where have I seen this before? As a sig? From whom?

HF.

Hen_Ichi
December 17th, 2011, 04:16 PM
*bows and scrapes before the Canon*

terraablaze
December 17th, 2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks Canon

@Type
food had it as a sig for a while before switching to Touko and Araya's final conversation.

Vritra
December 17th, 2011, 05:28 PM
thanks for this Canon and I hope you do the rest.

ItsaRandomUsername
December 17th, 2011, 06:55 PM
Apcrypha = BYOG

Bring your own Grail?

Aiden
December 18th, 2011, 01:45 AM
Ahhh~

Reading Reika's part is depressing.

I want more.

Canon
December 18th, 2011, 03:15 AM
Rejoice. Battlefield 3 refusing to launch again, so here's page 2 of 9.

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"Heeeey. Reika. Are you listening to me?"

Feeling the tap on her face, Reika turned her lightly-colored eyes to the man.

When she tried to stand up, she found that something was preventing her from doing so.

Her ankles were tied with a cord.

"...What, is this?"

Reika posed a question to Hyouma, the man she had been living with.

Hyouma looked down on her with cold eyes, ones that she had never seen before.

-- Yes, these eyes,

Reika knew them. These were the eyes of one who would use violence. They were eyes that regarded the one before them as being a worthless existence.

But, why this, all of a sudden...?

Even though she loved him. Even though she still loved him.

"It won't work unless I re-enact it."

His soft voice, unexpectedly, made Reika felt as though her entire body froze.

"Re, enact?"

"Yes. Re-enacting the scene of the crime. I'm afraid that's what is needed to summon him. I need to cut a woman like you to pieces using his knives."

"What......?"

In order to withstand violence, you simply need to force your heart into a state of temporal death.

That was what she had always done, and what she had planned to do this time as well.

However, Hyouma just said that he would cut her to pieces.

-- What was that supposed to mean?

-- What was the meaning in cutting her to pieces?

"All right. Magic circle complete."

The stench of blood, which any resident of Shinjuku would be used to smelling, made Reika's heart pound as she faced death.

Not noticing the change in Reika, Hyouma raised his right hand, which had a strange tattoo, and began to chant strange words.

"Fill. Fill. Fill. Fill. Fill. Let each be turned over five times, simply breaking asunder the fulfilled time."

It's like an spell, thought Reika.

In spite of the lack of any particularly disturbing content, a scream began to rise inside Reika.

"Let silver and steel be the essence. Let stone and the archduke of contracts be the foundation. Let my great master ■■■■■■■■ be the ancestor. Raise a wall, against the wind that shall fall. Close the four cardinal gates. Come out from the crown. Rotate the three-branched road reaching the Kingdom."

Hyouma took up a knife in his hand.

"Please don't..."

Her sense of foreboding turning into a conviction, Reika spoke with a shaking voice as she shook her head.

Hyouma did not reply.

The tip of the knife traced Reika's body, as though lost.

However, he was not hesitating, but deciding where to strike.

It would be meaningless to finish her off with a single blow.

He had to re-enact those brutal killings, so he needed to slaughter her in the most painful way possible.

Finally, Hyouma decided where to stab.

"-- I shall declare here.

Your body shall serve under me. My fate shall be with your sword.

Submit to the beckoning of the Holy Grail. If you will submit to this will and this reason...... then answer!"

Hyouma shouted, and raised the knife up high.

Reika's right arm sent her a shock.

"......Huh?"

A second late, the pain assaulted her, and Reika screamed.

An enormous heat scorched her body, centered on the knife that had stabbed into her.

"It... hurts... it hurts...!"

All the times when she had been beaten before were nothing compared to this intense pain.

"-- An oath shall be sworn here!"

Another knife stabbed her in the abdomen this time.

"...ah......!"

There was no shock, unlike the first.

But the pain multiplied.

Reika, feeling her life flowing away from her, screamed.

Words, ones that she had never thought of in her entire life, overwhelmed her.

"I shall attain all virtues of all of Heaven. I shall have dominion over all evils of all of Hell!"

He aimed for and stabbed her upper left shoulder.

At last, the voice that had screamed for him to stop could no longer make a sound.

"-- From the Seventh Heaven, attended to by three great words of power, come forth from the ring of restraint, Protector of the Balance!"

A knife hovered above her head.

In an instant, she understood that she will die. Fear exploded in her, coursing through her entire body.

No. I don't want this.

She never wanted to die like this, in such wanton cruelty, and such despair.

How many seconds of reprieve did she have until that knife was swung down?

Must she now accept her death, within a span of less than ten seconds?

No.

I'll never want that.

I don't want to, I don't, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no no -- !

"No...!"

As such, Reika went beyond her own limit.

A knife had been driven through her right palm and into the concrete floor. She grasped the blade with her pierced hand.

Gathering all the strength in her body, she pulled it out and thrusted it at Hyouma's face.

Having been enduring the pain of the spell, he stopped the incantation and screamed as pain suddenly assaulted him from the outside.

"Bitch...!"

Spewing out sounds that no longer formed into words, Reika brandished the knife again.

Hyouma glared at her with hate and let off a strong kick at the pit of her stomach.

Unlike the pain of having a knife sticking into her, this was a shock that suspended her vital activities. Reika tumbled to the edge of the magic circle. She was, if anything, vividly conscious, perhaps due to her intense pain.

There was no change in the magic circle. It did not even glow.

"Does it have to be five people, then...? Or do I have to go and kill thirteen? Shit. This is such a pain."

Hyouma stamped his feet as he tore at his hair.

Blood spilled from Reika's mouth as she watched.

"Ka, ah..."

Her heart continued to operate, accelerating in order to allow the existence called Rikudou Reika to live on.

However, the pain had long ago breached the limit permissable by humans.

Little by little, she knew that her bodily senses were being lost.

However, she could not feel any relief from the fact that she will no longer suffer.

Reika's life was flowing out of her with every second.

She didn't know why she had lived.

She didn't know why she was allowed to live.

Crushing down the doubts she had had for many years, she gave forth a single answer.

-- I want to live.

She simply wanted to live on. She did not want to die. She did not want to die in such pain.

Having despaired at life, she embraced the first craving she had ever had as she faced death.

She wanted to live because she wanted to.

She didn't want to die because she didn't want to.

That was simply it, and nothing else.

Yes -- what a simple, clear truth it was.

"I don't... want to... die."

A single drop dripped onto the magic circle.

In the next instant, an incredible tempest swept out from the center of the circle.

Hyouma could sense it. It was an outrageous swirl of prana -- journeying through all obstacles, an uncommon monster will make its advent into this reality!

"...Is this... did I do it?!"

The voice of the magus shook with joy.

-- You want to live, right?

It was the lovely, and very clear, voice of a young girl.

The voice spoke, not to Hyouma, but to Reika alone.

Without the slightest hesitation, Reika replied to the voice.

-- I want to live.

Reika made her wish. She clung on to it desperately.

The girl whispered with a sweetly ringing voice.

-- Okay. We understand. Let us make our contract, Mother.

(Continue.) (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha?p=526603&viewfull=1#post526603)

Aiden
December 18th, 2011, 03:36 AM
... and the magus will get what is coming to him.

Apple
December 18th, 2011, 03:59 AM
LoliJack time.

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 08:25 AM
Why so fast all of a sudden Canon Rap?
I guess a few pages is probably easier than an entire chapter.

Abaddon
December 18th, 2011, 12:06 PM
Interesting. Thanks, CanonRap.

Lycodrake
December 18th, 2011, 12:07 PM
... and the magus will get what is coming to him.


LoliJack time.
Nasuverse gets yet another killer Loli: Jackie!
...well, we knew that before this was written, but now we get a much better insight to how she is. XP

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 01:51 PM
I have to wonder what set of circumstances occurred that we got a story for this particular Servant. She honestly would have been the last on my list if I had to guess.
I suppose Nasu's were off limits when they started planning this and then they needed someone available who had a popular design and the power of sexy won out the rest.

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 01:53 PM
The one who wrote this chapter is the same that designed Jackie, that's why.

Mcjon01
December 18th, 2011, 01:58 PM
You just answered "Why did they contact the guy that designed Jack to write this?" with "Because the guy that designed Jack wrote this."

qsurf
December 18th, 2011, 01:59 PM
*patiently awaiting more*

Thank you very much good sir ^_^

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 01:59 PM
I thought she sounded like an interesting character when the profiles came out, and lo and behold she's interesting.

So haters gonna hate.

Ah, just one nitpick Canon:


-- Okay. I understand. Let us make our contract, Mother.

Even in the lines that don't specifically have a pronoun, I get the feeling you should still be using "we".

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 02:02 PM
You just answered "Why did they contact the guy that designed Jack to write this?" with "Because the guy that designed Jack wrote this."

Leaving aside that I thought he was asking something else, that's a perfectly good explanation.

It would have been stranger if they asked someone else.

Ok, let's try this one: something went wrong in the editorial department, and they had to fill don't-remember-how-many-pages, and thus Higashide volunteered?

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 02:05 PM
Actually it seems they they came to him and asked him to write the story.

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 02:07 PM
Yes, what I said.

Maybe Jackie is popular in the Japanese fanbase, and they reserved her a spot in Ace, what do I know?

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 02:10 PM
There's no fanbase :P

I dunno, I don't see why there has to be a reason other than "it's an interesting character". Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to bash it and cry "fanservice!" because it's not the one you would have preferred to see.

Irothtin
December 18th, 2011, 02:12 PM
I agree, but I do get the feeling that a lot of people were put off by an infamous serial killer of prostitutes being depicted as a young girl with skimpy clothes.

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 02:14 PM
There's no fanbase :P

I dunno, I don't see why there has to be a reason other than "it's an interesting character". Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to bash it and cry "fanservice!" because it's not the one you would have preferred to see.

I'm not because it is quite interesting and I never had a problem with her beyond "I have no idea why she is dressed that way". I literally assumed we would see any other Servant other than Frankenstein and that monk guy I can't remember, before Jack the Ripper.

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 02:15 PM
People seem totally okay with Astolfo being a trap or Jeanne d'Arc showing off her legs though. :P

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 02:23 PM
Jeanne d'Arc is Takeuchi so I gave up on explaining that.
Astolfo is the result of needing to please his Avalon sugar momma.

Canon
December 18th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Even in the lines that don't specifically have a pronoun, I get the feeling you should still be using "we".

Oh right, I forgot about that.

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 03:04 PM
There's no fanbase :P

Then dunno.


I dunno, I don't see why there has to be a reason other than "it's an interesting character". Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to bash it and cry "fanservice!" because it's not the one you would have preferred to see.

Ah, you finally said it. You were going around it~

Well, it is fanservice. But aside from this I never bashed Jackie. I always said that her background is well done, and the design is the only thing I'd change about her.

So, in other words, you have wasted a good chance to shut up. >:P

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Ah, you finally said it. You were going around it~

Well, it is fanservice. But aside from this I never bashed Jackie. I always said that her background is well done, and the design is the only thing I'd change about her.

So, in other words, you have wasted a good chance to shut up. :P

Wut?

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 03:07 PM
What confuses you about my post?

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Besides the fact it makes no sense?

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 03:14 PM
How exactly "Her design is retarded, her backstory is not" makes no sense?

Kotonoha
December 18th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Well, the first and last lines were the ones I didn't get really...

Sherrinford
December 18th, 2011, 04:02 PM
It seemed to me you were trying to tease me into going full hipster mode.

But whatever, let's leave this argument behind.

TypeWannabe
December 18th, 2011, 04:59 PM
You just answered "Why did they contact the guy that designed Jack to write this?" with "Because the guy that designed Jack wrote this."

...I'm sorry mike. I still have your quotes saved onto a document, but for the time being mcjon just stole your place in my sig.

Cruor
December 18th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Canon, how the heck did you get this so fast to translate all of this? lol

Touko
December 18th, 2011, 06:36 PM
The scan is out, somewhere, I am sure.

terraablaze
December 18th, 2011, 06:37 PM
deadfish posted it in the Apocrypha thread in General Discussion.

Canon
December 18th, 2011, 09:22 PM
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/tma7.png

Hong Kong gets this stuff pretty quickly. Though I am translating from scans since that's a lot easier.

Canon
December 18th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Oh, double post, but full scans ARE out apparently. Go nuts.

Canon
December 19th, 2011, 02:50 PM
More Jack.

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The magic circle activated, and prana accompanied by fierce crimson light was released.

Reika was captivated by the fantastical scene before her and Hyouma, unlike before, expressed his delight with an assured response.

"...Did it work? It did! All right, I did it!"

The clear voice of the girl reached Hyouma as he danced around.

"Question -- are you the one who called for us?"

Hyouma was dumbfounded by the voice which was so far beyond his expectations.

After all, he had been extremely sure that the most famous killer of all couldn't possibly be a young girl.

"Wha? Huh? Did I do something wrong...?"

Hyouma was bewildered by the girl that came out from the circle. Her silver hair was dense and rather short and her pale, ice-blue eyes gazed at the magus disinterestedly.

The girl shook her head and declared.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art1.jpg

"No, there is no mistake.

You summoned us. We are what you have seeked."

"So that means, you're..."

"Yes. What you had attempted to summon was the Servant Assassin. Our true name -- is 'Jack the Ripper'."

Hyouma's face shone with joy.

"I got it... I drew the right one!"

Hyouma, as a magus, understood that he was not a type suited to combat.

The magecraft his house had passed on generation after generation was specialized in unspectacular powers such as suggestion and concealment, and they ended up being ridiculed as "rats".

However, a rat can kill in ratlike ways, and Hyouma was proud of his tactics.

Of the way he fought, fierce like a sewer rat, cunning, and tenacious.

In order for him to win the Holy Grail War, Servants which fought with great fanfare -- like the so-called primary classes such as Saber or Lancer, or the powerful but uncontrollable Berserker must be avoided.

Even considering his own rank as a magus, he did not believe that he could put them to any work, nor could he allow them to fully exercise their strengths.

Assassin was the most fitting Servant for him. There was no mistaking it.

However, the heroic spirit which must be summoned as Assassin was fixed. This would also mean that, as soon as one's own Servant is known to be Assassin, countermeasures can be worked out.

Following on this, Hyouma seeked a completely unknown Servant -- or at least one that had never participated in the Grail War before.

A serial killer with little history while possessing the 'monstrocity' befitting a heroic spirit.

In other words, Jack the Ripper.

Hyouma jumped for joy and tried to rush over to Jack. However, she spun around, turned her back to Hyouma, and knelt beside the pitiful living sacrifice, Reika.

"Are you all right, Mother?"

When the girl addressed her, two sounds seemed to somehow overlap. It was a strange sound, as though she pronounced both "Master" and "Mother" at the same time.

"Huh? W-Whoa, wait. Hold on. Hey."

The girl took no notice of Hyouma's call to stop.

"Please wait. We'll help you now. It's okay. It's going to be all right."

"It hurts..."

"We're sorry, Mother. Please hold on for a bit longer."

Jack gently stroke Reika's hair with affection, and turned to face Hyouma once again.

"...You are Servant Assassin. Your true name is 'Jack the Ripper'... that's right, isn't it?"

Jack nodded shortly at Hyouma's words, without any of her endearing gestures.

So far so good, but to Hyouma, the problems were just beginning.

"You are my Servant, aren't you?"

The ice-blue eyes flashed like jewels.

Peered at by those lovely, pure and inhuman eyes, Hyouma could not help but become afraid.

The three command spells were carved into the back of his hand.

He felt as though if he hadn't had those, he would have lost sight of himself as a magus.

The one who summoned her was the magus called Sagara Hyouma.

That was how it should be, but somehow -- he could not help but feel as though he was standing in enemy territory.

Jack, without answering Hyouma's question, picked up her symbol -- the strangely-shaped knife that was lying on the floor.

This simple act accelerated Hyouma's heartbeat.

"Answer me, Assassin. Whose -- Servant are you?"

"It's inconvenient being a magus, isn't it?"

Jack suddenly murmured.

"Perhaps not small spells, but when it comes to big spells, you have to put it into words, don't you?"

"What, about it?"

"Even worse, if you have to execute a command spell, you can't just wish for it. After all, the wish won't be granted unless you put it into proper words."

In an instant, his survival instinct gave him a strong alert.

This Servant was dangerous.

This Servant regarded him as an adverse enemy which needed to be eliminated.

"I call upon you with the command spell --"

He felt as though something blazing hot was stuffed into his mouth.

When he ignored it and tried to order her to "commit suicide", he noticed,

-- his jaw, was gone.

" ------ !!"

The words he wanted to cry did not come out. The only speech he could manage was a ridiculous breathing sound.

"And you don't need this, either."

His wrist received a shock.

In violent pain, with his blood discharging as though from a bottomless bucket, Hyouma fell into a panic at once.

" ------ !! -- ! -- ! --- !!"

Even so, he could not speak.

At this moment Sagara Hyouma, having lost his capability of speech, was less than a rat, simply reduced to a piece of meat.

Having confirmed this, Jack walked over to Reika once again.

"We'll fix you now. It... might be a bit uncomfortable. We're sorry."

The girl informed her, deeply apologetic.

Perhaps it was because of how sorry she looked.

Perhaps it was because of how her expression was filled with so much concern for her.

"...It's all right."

Reika murmured and lost consciousness.



-- When she awoke again, the nauseous agony had disappeared from her.

But there was a wrongness to her entire body that she could not shake off.

The bindings at her feet had been undone. Reika stood up, looked at her right hand, and frowned.

The wound on her right hand had been stitched up, but by methods which were somewhat too crude. A black thread creeped about haphazardly like an earthworm, and it was dubious whether the wound had really been closed.

But the blood had stopped... and she was no longer in pain.

"Well, I guess it's fine as long as it doesn't hurt."

"Yes. Not hurting is good."

The voice came from right beside her. Turning around, she found the girl from before watching her steadily with an expression of childish innocence. Reika faced the girl again, and talked to her.

"Um, you were the one who saved me, right?"

"Yes, that's right. We did."

"'We'?"

"Yes. We are one, and one is all."

"I'm sorry, I don't really understand. Um, what was your name again?"

"Jack the Ripper. Jack is fine, or Assassin."

"Hmm... those don't sound like girl's names."

"Mm..."

Seeing the crestfallen Jack, Reika hurriedly continued.

"But Jack has a pretty ring to it. Can I call you Jack?"

"Yep."

" -- Now. I'd like to know exactly what happened. Can you explain it to me, Jack?"

"We can. But it's dangerous here, so let's move somewhere else."

"Yes, I understand. Oh, but -- what should we do about Hyouma?"

Reika tilted her head to one side, looking at the thing that used to be a person which was taking ghastly, wheezing breathes. There was no blood flowing from his lost jaw or his wrist. Like Reika's right hand, they had been sewn up with a chaotic surgical method.

"Let's bring him with us. He might become necessary later."

Jack lifted Hyouma up without much effort.

"Please bring us to your house, Mother. We will follow."

"Oh, um, but..."

Reika glanced at Hyouma as Jack carried him. For a start, anyone who saw a person with their right hand and lower jaw cut off would report it.

Perhaps detecting her unease, Jack shook her head quickly from side to side.

"It's okay, it's okay."

"It's okay?"

"Yep. No one will know, no one will know."

In the end, as Jack said, no fault could be found with the appearance of the girl.

Reika, walking ahead by herself, would sometimes turn around to look, but she could not locate Jack.

And yet when she called out "Jack", she was answered by "What is it?"

It was mysterious, but with so many incomprehensible things happening recently, she could not be bothered to point this out, and walked back to her own apartment at leisure.

She led Jack to the kitchen and made some tea.

"Thank you, Mother."

As always, it was a strange method of address, as though overlapping the words "Master" and "Mother".

"Where should we start?"

"Hmm... how about from the beginning?"

"Okay. We will explain as much as we can."

(Continue.) (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha?p=531978#post531978)

mewarmo990
December 19th, 2011, 02:52 PM
パチ パチ

Arashi_Leonhart
December 19th, 2011, 02:56 PM
Ooooh, I has shivers.

Apple
December 19th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Being Hyouma is suffering

Crown
December 19th, 2011, 03:13 PM
After all, he had been extremely sure that the most famous killer of all couldn't possibly be a young girl.

I know that feel Hyouma.

Aiden
December 19th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Aww.

Jack is <3

In that utterly terrifying sort of way.

terraablaze
December 19th, 2011, 03:56 PM
This is where I start nitpicking an otherwise enjoyable story and mention I'm pretty sure you can use a command spell without speaking.

Apple
December 19th, 2011, 03:59 PM
Maybe it's because the grail is lolweakfromsupporting14servants and can't read Hyouma's thoughts like it usually can.

Kotonoha
December 19th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Can you use a command spell without speaking and with your hand with the command spells cut off?

Apple
December 19th, 2011, 04:32 PM
I'm pretty sure she cut his jaw off before she cut his wrist off, so he still had time to mentally mumble something...

Kotonoha
December 19th, 2011, 04:37 PM
I'm pretty sure she cut his jaw off before she cut his wrist off, so he still had time to mentally mumble something...

I think once his jaw gets cut off he's not going to be thinking "well, I suppose the logical solution is to switch to a mental command instead of a spoken one" but rather "AAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY FAAAAACE"

Apple
December 19th, 2011, 04:43 PM
But you have to think about saying it before you do. His mind would have activated it even if his jaw hadn't, had it been possible for it to.

TypeWannabe
December 19th, 2011, 04:53 PM
I don't think you get how mind numbing pain can be.

terraablaze
December 19th, 2011, 05:03 PM
The point is thinking is way faster than speech, so the moment he started verbalizing it the command spell should have already activated.
Plus he's a magus, dealing with mind numbing pain is how they cast spells in the first place.

I3uster
December 19th, 2011, 05:08 PM
His jaw is gone, cut that poor guy some slack.

Lianru
December 19th, 2011, 05:12 PM
Cut him slack?

Never.

Apple
December 19th, 2011, 05:15 PM
We don't need to cut him anything, Jack already took care of that.

qsurf
December 19th, 2011, 05:29 PM
I have to admit, Jack's actually a lot more moe than I had thought she would be.

xelloss
December 19th, 2011, 05:40 PM
I have to admit, Jack's actually a lot less moe than I had thought she would be.

Changed to suit my opinion of this.

Abaddon
December 19th, 2011, 06:09 PM
She is a loli. She cannot be moe. :D


http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9237/comeatmebropz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/comeatmebropz.jpg/)

Kotonoha
December 19th, 2011, 06:11 PM
She is a loli. She cannot be moe. :D


http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9237/comeatmebropz.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/comeatmebropz.jpg/)

Nobody will come at you for such an obviously false comment.

Mike1984
December 19th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Being Hyouma is suffering

Meh, the guy really deserved what he got here, both for his utter callousness and his sheer stupidity.

TypeWannabe
December 19th, 2011, 07:03 PM
BUT WHAT IF HYOUMA WAS SAKURA, MIKE?!?!?!

Lianru
December 19th, 2011, 07:04 PM
But he isn't.

Mike1984
December 19th, 2011, 07:33 PM
BUT WHAT IF HYOUMA WAS SAKURA, MIKE?!?!?!

Sakura wouldn't randomly kidnap a girl and carve her up in order to summon a servant....

terraablaze
December 19th, 2011, 07:56 PM
I don't think you can call this guy stupid per say. Who would have ever guess Jack the Ripper was a girl who had a mother complex? He killed whores all the time, your first thought would be he would high five you when he saw the scene he was summoned to.

Vahan
December 19th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Murderous Jack covered in her Master's blood is moe.
EDIT: I have the image in my mand of Assassin covered in blood, standing over a jawless Sagara who is curled upon the floor, with a scalpal raised high in one hand and her little moe eyes filled with murderous love and devotion ... for some reason "I'm pretty, right?" comes to mind.

xelloss
December 19th, 2011, 10:07 PM
I don't think you can call this guy stupid per say. Who would have ever guess Jack the Ripper was a girl who had a mother complex? He killed whores all the time, your first thought would be he would high five you when he saw the scene he was summoned to.

Yeah, if Jack's character was actually based logically, rather than what seems to be a lateral thinking puzzle, you'd expect another Uryuu/Caster relationship.

Mcjon01
December 19th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Sakura wouldn't randomly kidnap a girl and carve her up in order to summon a servant....

Right, she'd just kidnap a girl and torture her as petty revenge for having a better life. :D

No, that's not what I actually think, so please, please, don't freak the fuck out on me, k?

Lianru
December 19th, 2011, 11:31 PM
It's sad that you have to put that spoiler in there.
Quite sad. D:

(not you, just the fact)

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 12:54 AM
Still about as moe as I was hoping.

EXiku
December 20th, 2011, 08:09 AM
Thank you so very much CanonRap!


This is where I start nitpicking an otherwise enjoyable story and mention I'm pretty sure you can use a command spell without speaking.
Can Command Spells be activated mentally? All the cases I remember were activated verbally...

I think once his jaw gets cut off he's not going to be thinking "well, I suppose the logical solution is to switch to a mental command instead of a spoken one" but rather "AAAAAAAAAHHHHH MY FAAAAACE"
I lol'ed, but then he didn't even realise his jaw was missing until he attempted a do-over...I'm quite liking Hyouma if only to see what else they're going to do to him :/

I don't think you can call this guy stupid per say. Who would have ever guess Jack the Ripper was a girl who had a mother complex? He killed whores all the time, your first thought would be he would high five you when he saw the scene he was summoned to.
I like that mental image...Hyouma jawless and minus one wrist, thinking of how things should have gone down...

My own dislike of a female Jack the Ripper aside...I feel that he planned well, but kind of found himself out of his depth. Dude was clearly intelligent but over-confident in his "Ha! No-one will be able to get one over on me because summoning a notorious serial killer whom not even the modern day can uncover the identity of is the most awesomest strategy ever!"

I would seriously like to know the thought processes that went into fem!Jack...

A question...why does she refer to herself as 'We'? Has that been revealed? A part of me would find it further interesting if the 'We' referred to the other identities history suspected her to be...

Apple
December 20th, 2011, 09:51 AM
You know that part about how all myths are true? Maybe somehow everyone that the world has ever speculated Jack the Ripper to be wound their way into the mind of a single servant.

That would be weird as hell, but not impossible. And in Nasu's world, really probable.

EXiku
December 20th, 2011, 10:21 AM
You know that part about how all myths are true? Maybe somehow everyone that the world has ever speculated Jack the Ripper to be wound their way into the mind of a single servant.

That would be weird as hell, but not impossible. And in Nasu's world, really probable.
That is what would make it more interesting for me :3

Would it be a farfetched idea to speculate that the 'We'/multiple identities everyone/history has speculated her to be (if this is the likely scenario) was just a reason to give her a similar ability to True Assassin? So she can have multiple Jack the Rippers on the prowl?

qsurf
December 20th, 2011, 10:35 AM
Nah, I'm more of the mind that it could lead to some kind of shapeshifting if that was true.

terraablaze
December 20th, 2011, 10:42 AM
I think someone already brought it up, but Jack has some embodiment of all the abandoned babies of prostitutes in a certain area I can't remember (this is hinted at more with events that happen later in the story) going on. Wait until some of the later parts are translated.

So yeah, the whole "we" thing isn't from the multiple guesses at her identity.

Apple
December 20th, 2011, 11:08 AM
Gives me the creeps, reminds me of something out of Dead Space.

Ohhh good fuck, not demon babies

Blastedspider
December 20th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Or she is just crazy.

terraablaze
December 20th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Well it's called Unbirthing for a reason.

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 02:27 PM
Oh yeah, no doubt she's crazy.

Doesn't stop her from being a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds.

Or in this case 'Destroyer of Internal Organs'.

Yden
December 20th, 2011, 02:31 PM
Can Command Spells be activated mentally? All the cases I remember were activated verbally...

I can't think of an example of one being activated mentally as well. The shortest one I can think of was Shirou's "Come Saber" when falling off a tall building so I don't think the whole chant about involving a command spell is needed at least...

ItsaRandomUsername
December 20th, 2011, 04:27 PM
Aww, she's so messed up it's adorable.

Hug hug hug~


>_>

<_<

*grope*

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 05:45 PM
*joins IRUn on the other side*

More is better (nods)

Kotonoha
December 20th, 2011, 05:47 PM
You perverts. How dare you molest an innocent child.

*grabs Jack, runs away to safety*

NOW SHE'S ALL MINE.

I3uster
December 20th, 2011, 05:50 PM
>innocent
>cuts a dudes jaw off the moment she comes into existence

Huh.

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 06:13 PM
You perverts. How dare you molest an innocent child.

*grabs Jack, runs away to safety*

NOW SHE'S ALL MINE.

IRUn, quickly, we must save her!

mewarmo990
December 20th, 2011, 06:29 PM
All I can think of is

piles of dead babies

DEAD BABIES GUYS

WAKE THE FUCK UP

Kotonoha
December 20th, 2011, 06:33 PM
I like her even if she is dead babies.

Arashi_Leonhart
December 20th, 2011, 06:34 PM
...must...resist...urge...to quote...

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 06:38 PM
I like her even if she is dead babies.

I am perfectly okay with her being dead babies.

EXiku
December 20th, 2011, 07:32 PM
D-dead babies make up the 'We'...but I don't think any of the victims were pregnant! Unless of course he's gone and edited the crimes and added a bunch of seemingly unrelated/undiscovered murders of pregnant whores as well...

EDIT: Re-read terraablaze's reply...gosh you guys...Okay terra, thanks I get the idea :)

mewarmo990
December 20th, 2011, 09:31 PM
DEAD WHORE BABIES!

Aiden
December 20th, 2011, 09:57 PM
Is this the new meme for Jackie, then?

ratstsrub
December 21st, 2011, 01:01 AM
So Jack's a walking valley of defilement.

Great.

TypeWannabe
December 21st, 2011, 01:04 AM
So, if Alice is a walking Reality Marble, does that make Jack a walking graveyard?

Aiden
December 21st, 2011, 01:36 AM
She's still adorable.

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 02:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWuAcKVkGb8

Relevant.

Skip to 1:06 for demon babies

Nerem
December 21st, 2011, 02:04 PM
D-dead babies make up the 'We'...but I don't think any of the victims were pregnant! Unless of course he's gone and edited the crimes and added a bunch of seemingly unrelated/undiscovered murders of pregnant whores as well...

EDIT: Re-read terraablaze's reply...gosh you guys...Okay terra, thanks I get the idea :)

I think it's more "her mother was a prostitute who abandoned her which is partly why she only killed prostitutes". Being currently pregnant doesn't have anything to do with it.

terraablaze
December 21st, 2011, 02:17 PM
That doesn't seem to be why she is killing them, it will make sense when we get further in (I feel so bad now that I read Koto's summary, never thought someone would start translating so soon).

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 02:21 PM
Operation "ruin the story for everyone with spoilers" was a success.

Nerem
December 21st, 2011, 02:25 PM
Well this is just information that we've known since it was an MMO. Her Noble Phantasm is the representation of the grudge of the abandoned children of prostitutes. It's not the sole reason why she killed them, but it would explain the We.

I might suck at spoiler tags though.

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 02:27 PM
And thus Kotonoha's and Merem's Noble Phantasms were revealed.

Also relevant:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmvjRv2oMWQ&amp;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmvjRv2oMWQ&feature=related)

Canon
December 21st, 2011, 03:34 PM
That doesn't seem to be why she is killing them, it will make sense when we get further in (I feel so bad now that I read Koto's summary, never thought someone would start translating so soon).

SURPRISE TRANSLATION, SUCKERS.

Anyway, more background stuff. A bit shorter than usual.

------------------------

-- Jack the Ripper talked of the 'Holy Grail War' in a simplified manner to Reika, who had no magical knowledge.

The Holy Grail, able to realize any and all miracles, had been re-enacted by a group of great magi. However, the Grail would grant the wish of only one.

A Master chosen by the Holy Grail is granted a Vessel for the Grail and Command Spells. After that, one had to summon a Heroic Spirit, the Servant, and use it to win and survive.

All Servants have their own special characteristics... Jack the Ripper is in the class of Assassin.

And, most likely, Reika was chosen by Hyouma as a living sacrifice in order to summon her.



The Grail, magi, Servants... she took in all the preposterous-sounding things that Jack spoke of.

"I see. So Jack, are you really Hyouma's Servant?"

"That was the original plan, we think. But just as we were about to be summoned as a Servant, we were drawn by words more powerful than his."

-- I want to live. I don't want to die. I'll never accept a death like this.

Reika wished strongly for the thing necessary to overturn the pursuing death that had been close at hand.

That prayer was granted by Jack -- as a result, she arrived, summoned not as a Servant of Hyouma but of Reika.

This was quite likely an event without any precedent.

As long as the Command Spells exist, the summoning of the Servant is a comparatively simple ritual in and of itself. One simply needed to draw the magic circle and chant the spell -- and sometimes, the situation may be that even the spell is unnecessary. If one wishes to draw a specific Servant, one should simply prepare a symbol with an affinity to the Heroic Spirit.

The summoning also takes an exceedingly short time. While the summoning of a Heroic Spirit is a great ritual, with the backing of the Holy Grail, little time is needed.

Thus -- it was doubtful whether a third party had ever managed to interfere in a situation like this before.

To say nothing of how said third party, for the sake of avoiding an impending death, had made a prayer with greater resolution than the summoner. Everything about the contract between Jack and Reika was an utter anomaly.

As Jack briefly explained about topics such as the Servant classes and special characteristics, she took out the thing she had crammed into her bag and put it on the table.

"So, Mother. We wanted to talk to you about this."

"Oh, my."

Reika reflexively covered her mouth with a hand.

It was Hyouma's right hand. What appeared to be a tattoo imitating three knives was carved on its back.

"These are the Command Spells. They normally appear on the arm of the magus who would become the Master... um, they're like tickets for giving orders."

"Oh..."

Reika touched the back of the stiffened hand in a nervous manner.

"He's still alive, so it's still functioning... is he here?"

"Mmm..."

In all honesty, Reika could think of nothing that she would need to order Jack for. However, the power of the Command Spells was immense, yet something that could be manipulated even by Reika. It could be used as a trump card to reverse an overwhelmingly disadvantageous situation.

"If he dies, the Command Spells will disappear as well. That would be a waste, so we should keep it around, we think."

"That's true. I don't want to be hurt... but I don't to waste anything, either.

Well, would you please?"

"Yep, okay. We're not too good at transplant operations, but we'll do our best."

For whatever reason, Reika felt like stroking the head of the bashful Jack. The girl accepted it happily.



The transfer took an hour.

Despite the fact that it had been cut off, Hyouma wept in anguish when the Command Spells were forcibly torn off. Was his sense of pain still connected? Or was it from his despair that his qualification as a Master in the Grail War -- that his aspiration had been lost to him?

In either case, Hyouma had just lost his last chance to survive.

During the transfer, Reika's hand hurt as though it was burnt, but the pain soon disappeared. It still felt hot and ached a little, but that gradually lessened as well.

"Now, the Vessel of the Grail."

"Is this Grail something like a wine-glass?"

"No, anything can work as the Vessel. Any object close at hand will automatically be acknowledged as a Vessel of the Grail."

As though these words caused her to suddenly remember something, Reika asked.

"Hyouma. When you lived here, wasn't there something you had with you that was really important?"

Hyouma stiffened.

"Hmm, I'm sure... yes, it's this."

Reika was holding a ruby larger than her hand.

"Is this it?"

"Wow, that's amazing... this is the first time we've seen a mineralized heart."

"A, A heart?"

Hearing this, Reika nearly dropped it without thinking.

Jack's eyes were wide with curiosity and surprise.

"Yep, it's a human heart. That's brilliant. Was it a curse? Or some kind of sickness?"

"So is this the Holy Grail?"

Jack sniffed the jewel and nodded.

"Yes, this is it. No doubt about it."



She had made a contract with a Servant, had Command Spells transferred to her, and obtained a Vessel.

Rikudou Reika had become a Master in name as well as reality, and was in a position to use Servant Assassin.

"So Mother, what will you do? In the Grail War?"

"Hm, right. My wish has already been granted, after all."

To live -- that was what she had first wished for, and it had been granted.

That would mean she had returned to her original self.

The one who lived vaguely, simply being swept along.

"Ah... is there a wish you want granted, Jack?"

"...Yes, there is."

Jack's expression darkened. The way she held the cup of tea with both hands and sipped from it was rather cute, thought Reika absentmindedly.

"We want to go back to our mother."

"Back to your mother?"

"Yes. We want to go back inside our mother. It's so very comfortable there."

"I see."

Regardless of its contents, it seemed Jack had a wish.

It was an important wish that she wanted to have granted, no matter who she had to bring down to do so.

Reika, having not wished for anything, could not deny her -- nor did she think she was qualified to.

"So we'll have to join the War, then."

"...Can we?"

"Oh, yes. You saved me, after all."

It was a wish that couldn't have possibly been granted.

It was a situation where being killed would have been a matter of course.

The only thing she could use to repay this girl who had completely overturned all of this would be herself.

"I don't want to get hurt, though."

"Don't worry, it won't hurt... we think."

"All right. Well then, let us wage war."

Jack nodded, her eyes twinkling.

"Yep, let's wage a war!"

(Continue.) (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha?p=533350&viewfull=1#post533350)

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 03:46 PM
Hyouma still not dead/eaten yet?

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 03:59 PM
Yep, he's still alive for now.

Vahan
December 21st, 2011, 04:33 PM
I get the feeling that Reika might survive this ... and end up being pregnant ... with a baby that will look like JACK!

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 04:35 PM
Jack impregnates Reika?

Aw shit son

terraablaze
December 21st, 2011, 04:41 PM
Operation "ruin the story for everyone with spoilers" was a success.

Wanton cruelty worthy of a tyrant.

Anyway thanks for the continued work CanonRap

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 05:13 PM
Jack impregnates Reika?

Aw shit son

How does one ejaculate with a cameltoe

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 05:17 PM
How does one ejaculate with a cameltoe

*checks Jack's art*

There's no cameltoe you liar! (Not sure what that has to do with ejaculation anyway)

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 05:24 PM
Koto, y u no find cameltoe?
More importantly, Koto, y u so perverted?
Most importantly, Koto, y u no get connection between ejaculation and preggorz?




http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art1.jpg


I can't believe you didn't spot that

I3uster
December 21st, 2011, 05:33 PM
Her hunger for thighs distracted her.

Aiden
December 21st, 2011, 05:47 PM
D'aww. She's still an adorable psychopath.

I don't care if she's covered in blood, she needs a hug.

EXiku
December 21st, 2011, 05:53 PM
Jack impregnates Reika?

Aw shit son
Huh...I could see this :/

It reminds me of this thing I watched (probably on horror stories or some weird topic like that, then again it could have been a warped dream...) It's a memory I have from when I was very young, like around 8 probably younger :/

Short story, dude bangs chick and gets sucked into her and she's preggers...

But then at 8...I don't know what I'm doing dreaming about the deed, heck I don't think I even knew how it all worked back then...so it's got to be something I watched :/

terraablaze
December 21st, 2011, 06:05 PM
I don't know what you could be referring to but a guy having sex with a women thus impregnating her with himself is basically the plot of a particularly controversial Wonder Woman story (and controversial for good reason).

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 06:07 PM
Koto, y u no find cameltoe?
More importantly, Koto, y u so perverted?
Most importantly, Koto, y u no get connection between ejaculation and preggorz?



I can't believe you didn't spot that

That looks more like a seam on the panties. It goes too high to be vagOOO.

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 06:30 PM
That looks more like a seam on the panties. It goes too high to be vagOOO.

Well that piece of clothing is really low.

terraablaze
December 21st, 2011, 06:34 PM
I think she means the line that you are looking at.

Apple
December 21st, 2011, 06:41 PM
A normal line would look like it reaches very high on very low cut fabric. Thus, she might have misjudged the actual length of the line.

Although I suppose I am inexperienced with vaj00s, so I cannot be certain if they go that far up anyway.

Lianru
December 21st, 2011, 06:45 PM
Hey, what's going on in this thread-

*runs away*

qsurf
December 21st, 2011, 07:46 PM
*catches Lianru*
~Nyah!~

Lianru
December 21st, 2011, 08:59 PM
0_0

What, you want me to participate in that conversation?

qsurf
December 21st, 2011, 09:03 PM
*purrs*
Nyo weally, jus wan cuddles while waihing fow nyex snyip X3

~Nyah?~

Kotonoha
December 21st, 2011, 09:10 PM
*purrs*
Nyo weally, jus wan cuddles while waihing fow nyex snyip X3

~Nyah?~

Congratulations, that just made me feel physically ill.

Lianru
December 21st, 2011, 09:43 PM
Poor Koto-nee.
*hugs*
don't barf on me please

Kotollama
December 21st, 2011, 09:47 PM
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/eduarprmd/Fun%20Pics/BARF.gif

terraablaze
December 21st, 2011, 09:50 PM
That man should see a doctor. I think that might be a sign of xenos parasites.

qsurf
December 22nd, 2011, 12:28 AM
Hmm...

...so it still seems I do not understand this concept of cuteness, how disappointing.

I might have collect a small sample and have my test subjects exposed to controlled amounts, a pity that I cannot simple image and project them...mayhaps I'll need to look into capturing some of the more prolific authors in order to continue my research.

Yden
December 22nd, 2011, 09:47 AM
Jack nodded, her eyes twinkling.

"Yep, let's wage a war!"

Anyone else picture Jack doing this when saying that?
http://i.imgur.com/13ZYl.jpg

Lianru
December 22nd, 2011, 09:50 AM
.......maybe >_>

EXiku
December 22nd, 2011, 10:24 AM
I don't know what you could be referring to but a guy having sex with a women thus impregnating her with himself is basically the plot of a particularly controversial Wonder Woman story (and controversial for good reason).
I have no idea what I'm talking about either...but I do remember watching something like that...like a show about weird Ghost Stories...and it was on late at night...

That Wonder Woman story sounds interesting...how old is it? I guess (if Justice League and Superman/Batman: Supergirl/Apocalypse is anything to go by) as long as it's not Hades...

terraablaze
December 22nd, 2011, 10:41 AM
Derp, I meant Ms Marvel. It wasn't DC I remember that much. Yeah it was Ms. Marvel. (Can you tell I care about super hero comicbooks ALOT?)

Edit: from Wikipedia for more information you can go look at Movie Bob's take on the whole thing

The 200th issue of the Avengers[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel#cite_note-11) proved controversial when Ms. Marvel was kidnapped by a character named Marcus—the apparent son of Avengers foe Immortus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortus)—and taken to an alternate dimension (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_universe_(fiction)), where she was brainwashed, seduced, and impregnated. The character gives birth on Earth to a child that rapidly ages into another version of Marcus, who takes Ms. Marvel back to the alternate dimension with no opposition from the Avengers. Comic book historian Carol A. Strickland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_A._Strickland) criticized the storyline in an essay titled "The Rape of Ms. Marvel."[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel#cite_note-12) Citing Marcus's line, "Finally, after relative weeks of such efforts—and admittedly, with a subtle boost from Immortus' machines—you became mine," Strickland posited that Ms. Marvel's impregnation was simply rape by another name. As former writer of the solo title, Chris Claremont also commented on the inappropriateness of the storyline,[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel#cite_note-13) and effectively "undid" the story in Avengers Annual #10 (1981).[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel#cite_note-Avengers_Annual_10-14)

EXiku
December 22nd, 2011, 10:49 AM
Derp, I meant Ms Marvel. It wasn't DC I remember that much. Yeah it was Ms. Marvel. (Can you tell I care about super hero comicbooks ALOT?)
*gasp!* I love my DC/Marvel heroes :p


Edit: from Wikipedia for more information you can go look at Movie Bob's take on the whole thing
OMG! How weird is that! My bro was telling me about this other day - of course it was Ms Marvel (I should have realised...but seeing as WW isn't one of my main heroines, I thought I missed something in her story)

Yeah...very controversial indeed and props to the guy (my bro thinks it was Joss Whedon...dude who wrote Buffy/Angel/Dollhouse) for fixing that and giving her backbone to say "Screw you!" to the Avengers when they suddenly showed interest in her plight after she sorted it :/

Rowanism
December 22nd, 2011, 12:40 PM
Thanks for the translation!

Canon
December 22nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
About two pages left, not counting the Encyclopedia at the end.

(On another note, maybe it was a mistake to render Jack calling Reika with italics like that. Now it's like Jack rolls her eyes every time she talks or something.)

------------------------

"So... what should I do? I can't fight."

"Well, Mother, we require prana to fight."

The existence of a Servant in itself consumes an enormous amount of prana, though Jack, as an Assassin, is less draining compared to a Saber or Berserker.

Even so, as Rikudou Reika was an amateur, not even being a magus, there was little likelihood of her becoming the main prana supply.

In that case, prana will need to be replenished from other sources...

"Eating human souls would do for us."

"Human souls? Um, would that kill them?"

"...Yes, we suppose."

"Hmm... I guess it can't be helped."

"Oh, um, but, having only bad people would be best. It might be just us, but a bad person's soul is more polluted and delicious."

The nature of Jack the Ripper is chaotic evil.

She is an existence that preaches chaos in the face of order, carrying out evil deeds. Thus, it would seem that souls of the same nature are more easily digested.

"I see. So... would Hyouma taste good?"

When Reika pointed at Hyouma, Jack bobbed her head up and down.

"Yep. He's a magus too, so he would be delicious."

Telling her to wait a moment, Reika walked over to Hyouma with the cut right hand.

She crouched down, their eyes meeting as he cowered.

"Did you love me, Hyouma?"

" -- ■■■■■! ■■■■■!"

Reika smiled when Hyouma nodded and cried out.

"I'm not sure what you mean, but it sounds like you did. Thank you. You probably cast some sort of magecraft on me, didn't you? I don't hold that against you. After all, it's thanks to you that I got to know the wonderful feeling of loving someone."

Reika gently pressed the right hand to her cheek.

"Yes, that's right. I did love you after all. But you betrayed me, so it can't be helped. It really can't. I'm sorry. You'll live on as a precious memory."

" -- ■■■■■! ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■!"

With a bitter smile saying that she did not understand, Reika announced to Jack.

"You can eat him. Oh, but I'd prefer it if you didn't dirty the place... eat him in the bathroom."

Reika had no profound emotions as to the fact that she had been allowed to live.

......Similarly, she felt no hesitation in erasing someone she couldn't care less about.

A mother would grieve for the death of her child.

A lover would grieve for the death of her beloved.

If no one would be faulted for not grieving for her -- then she couldn't care less either.

Watching over Hyouma as his entire body jerked about, desperately struggling to survive, Reika calmly poured herself another cup of tea.




Disposing of the withered corpse was easier than she had thought it would be.

Having been crushed down, the thing she stuffed into the garbage bag did not look like a living being at all, and resembled nothing but a large amount of dead leaves.

There wasn't even the stench of blood. Only the right hand, with its Command Spells ripped off, preserved its freshness. The only thing she had to remember him by was this hand. I will treasure it, Reika thought.

"You don't like the smell of blood, do you, Mother?"

"No, not really."

"So we sucked all his blood, too. Slurp. It tasted bad, though."

"Oh, I'm sorry. You didn't have to do that for me."

Jack shook her head from side to side.

"Oh, no, if Mother is happy, we are happy."

"I see."

"Well... we will be happy if you would pat our head, too."

Following Jack's modest request, Reika stroked her head.

"Is this okay?"

"Yes. Thank you, Mother."

The bashful girl was so very childish -- so much so that it was almost unthinkable that she had just murdered a man a short time ago.

"I'd like to rest for a bit now. Is that all right?"

"Yep. Good night. Don't worry. We will protect you, Mother."

"Yes, thank you, Jack."

As would be expected, fatigue was setting in on her.

As soon as she laid down on her bed and closed her eyes, Reika fell unconscious at once.



And, she dreamed.

The first thing she felt was a rending, gouging cold.

A thick mist covered her surroundings, and every time she took a breath it felt as though poison was seeping into her body.

Looking at her own hand, she was shocked to discover that she was awfully thin, and understood that she had somehow become Jack.

Jack was peeking through the window of a house.

Inside the dreary room, a woman was laughing.

The woman laughed, and indulged herself in alcohol. Her heart and body worn down, she had become an existence that simply struggled to live day by day.

She had no dreams.

The only thing that existed to her was reality.

However, it was clear that her reality had been crushed by her inescapable fate. She suffered from poverty and it was matter of whether she would die from starvation or disease.

Reika looked on from outside the window, together with Jack.

...No, perhaps not.

What Reika saw in the middle-aged woman through the window was her inescapable despair.

She despaired at how she had no way to escape it except by drinking, she despaired at how she did not even know if she will have food tomorrow, and she despaired at her own lack of dreams.

However, Jack -- saw in her only "Mother".

"Mother."

The girl whispered in a small voice.

As though she were a parrot, she whispered it again and again.

"Mother, mother, mother, mother, mother."

She knocked on the window, softly, incessantly.

The woman, apparently noticing at last, scowled as she opened the window.

"Quiet!"

Flinging this out with a witch-like expression, she shut the window with a bang.

Perhaps the girl was aware that she would be rejected. She hanged her head and kept back the tears.

And so, with nothing to do -- she wandered the night street.

There were laughing voices, charming voices, shouts and screams.

Voices, voices, voices, voices. All of them, voices that would never mourn them.

How far had she walked? The girl suddenly stopped her feet.

"Mother."

The woman from before was standing by herself, waiting for a client. A man walked up to her, but it seemed they could not agree to a price, as the man spat and went off.

"Mother."

..Abruptly, the mist thickened.

Reika knew this was something like magecraft -- but the woman, of course, did not. She simply seemed perplexed by the sudden thickening of the mist.

In the girl's hand was a single knife.

"Mother."

The woman, waving her hands about in the mist, did not notice the girl approaching her at all.

She stood before the woman.

"Mother."

The woman cried out, twitching with fear, at her call. However, she seemed to have noticed that the one before her was the girl from before. The woman, her expression mixed with relief and anger, said.

"Don't scare me!"

"I'm sorry."

Who would know -- what this apology was meant for.

The girl briskly cut open the throat of the woman from side to side.

Who would understand, who would believe,

that the true form of Jack the Ripper, the legendary serial killer who knew of dissection and slipped into the darkness of night to perform his quiet dissections, was such a pitiful girl?

"I'm sorry, Mother. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I want to go back. I want to go back. I want to go back, I want to go back --"

With miserable tears, the girl dissected the anguishing Mother.

Finally obtaining a part of the woman, the girl pressed the thing that smelt of blood against her face, and cried.


-- Go back, go back, we want to go back.

-- After all, it is so warm. It is so very warm here.


The lamentations of the girl reached no one.

She despaired, and faded away without achieving her dream. Was she killed? Did she choose death? Did she simply pass away? -- no one knew.

It is likely that she will perpetually reign as an eternal mystery, an eternal darkness carved into the history of England.

She was no longer a simple killer.

She was one had obtained from others the belief known as fear -- a "Reverse Heroic Spirit".

(Continue.) (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha?p=535714#post535714)

terraablaze
December 22nd, 2011, 01:47 PM
All this blood is causing the plot to thicken. I hope it doesn't clot.

Aiden
December 22nd, 2011, 02:32 PM
And now I'm utterly terrified of Jack.

... and she really, really needs a hug.

Yden
December 22nd, 2011, 03:48 PM
And now I'm utterly terrified of Jack.

... and she really, really needs a hug.
http://i.imgur.com/MtSEG.jpg

Th

mewarmo990
December 22nd, 2011, 03:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/MtSEG.jpg

Th
d'awwwwwww. Translation:

Top: When Medea-san summoned Assassin, she got Jack the Ripper instead of Sasaki Kojirou.

Jack: Are you my mother?

Bottom right:
Father - rusty assassin
Mother - treacherous witch
Daughter - legendary serial killer
...it's that kind of family.

Aiden
December 22nd, 2011, 03:57 PM
... fund that. Fund that so hard, right now.

Vahan
December 22nd, 2011, 05:18 PM
... so .... Jack the Ripper, as a little girl, used to carve women open and climb inside their stomachs ... gross ... yet so cute at the same time.

Aiden
December 22nd, 2011, 05:23 PM
No, she'd remove your organs and climb into the hollowed out space she left behind in doing so.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

Vahan
December 22nd, 2011, 05:26 PM
No, she'd remove your organs and climb into the hollowed out space she left behind in doing so.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

I think she's actually trying to crawl back inside the womb, which was why I said stomach, since she goes on about trying to 'get back' to where it was 'warm'

Laith
December 22nd, 2011, 05:38 PM
Oh god Jack why are you so creepily adorable? You were not supposed to be that adorable.

Vahan
December 22nd, 2011, 05:50 PM
I know right. A-Rank Adorable and A-Rank Creepy makes for a wicked combination on the heartstrings.

TypeWannabe
December 22nd, 2011, 06:22 PM
...No, no, just creepy and disturbing. She'd go great with Silent Hill and Dead Space.

mewarmo990
December 22nd, 2011, 06:27 PM
...No, no, just creepy and disturbing. She'd go great with Silent Hill and Dead Space.
Exploding space babies!

A currently unrevealed Noble Phantasm.

Aiden
December 22nd, 2011, 06:30 PM
TypeWannabe just doesn't appreciate Jack's charm.

Vahan
December 22nd, 2011, 06:38 PM
Agreed

EXiku
December 22nd, 2011, 07:36 PM
I don't get the charm either...it's like they're trying too hard to make her moe that I don't find her moe at all...

@mewarmo990 - I don't think you should be trusted around babies :/

Mcjon01
December 22nd, 2011, 07:40 PM
She gutted a hooker so she could snuggle up with the organs. I don't think they're trying very hard to make her moe at all.

EXiku
December 22nd, 2011, 07:44 PM
I was referring to when she's behaving like the child she should have been with Reika...

Vahan
December 22nd, 2011, 07:46 PM
But there's just something so kawaii about those big blue eyes, small tender body and wanton need to stab people ... call me Humbert if you like but you cannoy deny THE MOE

terraablaze
December 22nd, 2011, 09:09 PM
I was referring to when she's behaving like the child she should have been with Reika...

I imagine children should act like children. Me and my crazy ideas, I know.

Lianru
December 22nd, 2011, 10:39 PM
"Are you my mother?"
d'awww

Five_X
December 22nd, 2011, 10:41 PM
I do not find her to be "d'awwwww".

The author/character creator is doin' it wrong.

Kotonoha
December 22nd, 2011, 10:41 PM
On the contrary, he is doin' it deliciously right.

terraablaze
December 22nd, 2011, 10:44 PM
Is it wrong to want to eat Jack?

Lianru
December 22nd, 2011, 10:48 PM
"Eat" as in "consume flesh", probably yes.

Kotonoha
December 22nd, 2011, 10:48 PM
Oh I'd eat her if you know what I mean.

(Hint: what I mean is obviously sexual)

terraablaze
December 22nd, 2011, 10:50 PM
"Eat" as in "consume flesh", probably yes.

Oh so eating her soul is still cool. All right then, I was worried I was a deviant or something.

Lianru
December 22nd, 2011, 10:55 PM
Oh yeah, that's perfectly fine.

Aiden
December 22nd, 2011, 11:19 PM
Oh I'd eat her if you know what I mean.

(Hint: what I mean is obviously sexual)

om nom nom

Vahan
December 23rd, 2011, 07:26 AM
I wouldn't eat her I would DEVOUR her!

Kilich
December 23rd, 2011, 07:41 AM
"Eat" as in "consume flesh", probably yes.

Puts an extra McDonald outfit on Lianru.

Do you have any friends named Vlad, by any chance?

Lianru
December 23rd, 2011, 09:23 AM
.......Sorry, no. I don't know anyone who tries to impale everyone he sees.

Vahan
December 23rd, 2011, 09:33 AM
.......Sorry, no. I don't know anyone who tries to impale everyone he sees.

Shinji?

Lianru
December 23rd, 2011, 09:37 AM
No, Shinji only tries to impale Sakura and Rin.

Five_X
December 23rd, 2011, 12:40 PM
And Rider! :D

Lianru
December 23rd, 2011, 12:51 PM
And every other character that exists.

wait-

Vahan
December 23rd, 2011, 02:51 PM
and don't forget that Shinji in turn almost impaled on Lancer's spear ;p

Kotonoha
December 23rd, 2011, 03:34 PM
and don't forget that Shinji in turn almost impaled on Lancer's spear ;p

If you know what I mean.

Vahan
December 23rd, 2011, 03:43 PM
Lol, Gilgamesh also comes to mind ... he impaled lots of people with his Noble Phantasms ... men and women alike ;p

Apple
December 24th, 2011, 03:34 AM
He also wanted to impale Saber with his swords so he could bathe her in the grail and impale her in bed.


...No, no, just creepy and disturbing. She'd go great with Silent Hill and Dead Space.

Necromorph Jack?

HOLY SHIT

Apple
December 24th, 2011, 03:36 AM
double post

Five_X
December 24th, 2011, 04:04 AM
Fate/stay night is a heartwarming tale about bathing your friends.

Vahan
December 24th, 2011, 09:55 AM
and then impaling them

Lianru
December 24th, 2011, 10:18 AM
No, wait. Fate/Stay Night is all about the impaling. Fate/Zero is about the bathing.

Vahan
December 24th, 2011, 11:20 AM
in Blood

Canon
December 24th, 2011, 03:28 PM
Act 1 finished. Merry Christmas.

------------------------

She woke from her dream.

For a moment, Reika was confused by the fact that she was sleeping on her own bed.

After clearing her consciousness, she grasped that what had happened before was a dream --

"But it felt so real."

She did not believe that she can recreate 19th-century London to that degree with her mind alone, it being a place she had never been to, much less know about.

It likely had something to do with the fact that she had made a contract with a Servant.

Thinking this, Reika searched for her Servant, Jack the Ripper.

"Jack...?"

When she looked carefully, she noticed a big bulge in the sheets. She turned over the sheets gently, so as not to disturb it, and found Jack curled up there, hugging her knees and quietly sleeping.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art2.jpg

"Oh my."

Feeling she ought not to wake her up, Reika stroked Jack's head softly. She had no regular work in the first place, so she could use her time freely.

There was no need for her to worry.

Even if she was awake, there was nothing she had to do in the morning.

"...Just a bit longer."

Murmuring this, Reika put her arms around Jack's head and closed her eyes again.



When it became night, Reika went out into the streets with Jack.

Jack explained to Reika about a technique called 'spirit form' that completely erases her from view.

"Is it different from what you used last night?"

Jack answered, "That's right.

"What we used yesterday was the 'presence concealment' skill of the Assassin class. We didn't disappear, we just erased our presence. We can't carry anything while in Spirit Form."

"I couldn't see you at all. Did you really just erase your presence?"

"That's just the sort of creature we killers are. We're confident that not even a Servant can ever detect us as long as it's nighttime."

Despite the fact that she could not see Jack, Reika felt that the girl was puffing up slightly in pride.

"But Mother, are there really lots of bad people?"

"Oh, yes. Um, it should be in this building... was it this floor?"

Reika got a confirmation from the name-plates that showed each floor.

"Akagami Finance Co. -- right, it's here. It's the fourth floor."

"Everyone on the fourth floor?"

"Yes. It's all right, the entire floor is filled with people from this company."

"Well, let's go in unseen then, Mother."

When she reached the fourth floor by elevator, Reika did as Jack instructed and moved to the women's washroom first.

"What are you going to do?"

"Use our Noble Phantasm."

"'Noble Phantasm'...?"

"The secret skills of Servants -- us."

Jack materialized her body. She was gripping an antique lantern in her hand.

"What is that?"

"This is our Bounded Field Noble Phantasm: 'The Mist'."

Servants are heroes from ancient times, and their tales revolve around certain weapons and tools, big and small.

-- A holy sword of light, forged in the planet.

-- A demonic spear which pierces the heart without exception through the reversal of causality.

-- Reins which control beasts from the Age of Gods.

The lantern Jack holds is one of these.

"Have you ever heard of 'the Smoke', Mother?"

"I have. That means London, doesn't it?"

"Yes. When we were there, the smog in London was horrible. It was pitch black -- so bad that we couldn't breathe, so bad we couldn't open our eyes."

The mixture of smoke and fog released during the burning of coal is called smog.

From the 19th to the 20th century, London had been harassed by smog countless times.

The worst of all was the Great Smog of 1952. It was said that the thick mist of sulphur covering London caused over 10,000 deaths.

Jack opened the shutter of the lantern, and gently touched the candle inside.

A flame was lit and at the same time, something like smoke began to leak out from the bottom of the lantern.

"This Noble Phantasm can recreate that mist.

No one can ever escape it. They'll die in agony, all of them."

A troubled expression appeared on Reika's face.

"Um... Jack?

Wouldn't I die too, then? I'd prefer it if that didn't happen."

A flustered Jack shook her head from side to side.

"I-It's all right, it's all right! You'll be fine, Mother!

This mist can be 'directed'. So it won't get close to you."

As Jack said, the enveloping mist, which had already gained a deep color, left a blank space in the area around Reika.

"Now -- it's just up to us to finish them off one by one.

We're off, Mother."

Jack said in a leisurely tone as she ran off with a knife in one hand.



Akagami Finance was, simply put, a black-market lender.

They lend people money with a smile, and then take away all that they own with wicked faces.

Even in this line of work, they were well-known for their tough collection methods, making use of their advantanges as a still-active cime syndicate.

"Hey, Mr Murano? Hate to tell you this, but you keep this up, and you're gonna have to sell off a few organs. You get what I'm saying? And I'll make it clear so even a moron can understand. What I'm saying here is, you're gonna have to off yourself, sell your organs and use your insurance money just to pay off the damn interest!

Hey, you listening to me? I'm asking you -- huh?"

Alas.

Rikudou Reika just happened to have read about a news report on illegal loans posted in a magazine --

"What the hell? Is there a fire...?"

And Reika just happening to know their address was what brought them to this tragedy.

Upon breathing in the dense cloud of enveloping smoke, they fainted from the pain.

"Gaah...!"

"Ugh... I, I can't... breathe..."

"S-Someone! The window! Get a window open -- !"

A strongly acidic smog surrounded them.

It was such a thing that simply breathing in it would burn the throat, and simply opening the eyes would cause them to fester.

"This hurts... shit, this hurts, help! Help!

Help me! Someone help me! Anyone -- !"

The frenzied man quickly ran into the leg of a desk and fell clumsily to the floor.

"I... have to get out of here...!"

Get out? But to where? Where could he run?

They themselves had not realized it, but those who tried to escape were deceived by the mist, and simply ran circles around the same place.

"Ha!"

The voice of a young girl, ill-suited to this company, suddenly rang out.

"Gheh -- "

And, leaving behind this ridiculous squeal -- a colleague collapsed before him.

"Wha-- who...?!"

The words of the man, whose throat had been hideously burnt, could not be heard as anything but rasping noises.

"A killer."

Even so, the light voice of the girl answered.

-- A killer?

The hell does that mean, the man thought. Anyway, his eyes and throat were in pain, unbearably so.

He was suffocating as he could not breathe.

His eyes hurt and he could not see a thing.

He wanted someone to hurry and come to ease his pain.

Please, stop this pain for me.

Let me be at peace, let me be at peace, let me be at peace -- guoh.

Jack, wielding the knife skillfully, dissected his body.

"Prana -- replenished. Heart -- gulp."

She swallowed the heart that had had terror etched into its bloodstream.

Looking around her, she located a new target.

"Hmmmm... found you!'

"Hiiih -- !!"

As Jack's stomach still complained of considerable hunger, she drew the hearts out of every single one of them, and finally managed to fill herself comfortably.


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art3.jpg


"Thank you for the meal."

"You're welcome."

By the time Jack returned, the mist had cleared.

"Well then, let's go home."

At Reika's words, Jack abruptly stopped.

Staring blankly, the girl posed a question to Reika.

"...We're, going home?"

"That's right. Was there something else you wanted to do?"

"No, nothing else. We just... thought it was strange, to go home."

"Why is that?"

"-- We, had no home."

The girl remembered the alleyways, shrouded in mist and stench.

The nests, covered in waste and feces, where filthy rats ran about, were most certainly not a place of rest.

When you sleep at night, someone may attack you. When you wake up in the morning, someone may have died -- that is the kind of world it was.

That was why she could not help but feel that 'going home' was an occasion that had nothing to do with her.

The girl explained this clumsily.

"I see... so that's why."

Reika looked fixedly at the crestfallen girl.

...Her own self, for whom the feeling of being alive was as sparse as mist.

...The girl, for whom the word "alive" may not even be applicable.

According to the girl, it was often that Servants and Masters have the same disposition.

In that case, this meeting was, in a way -- fate, perhaps.

"Mother...?"

"...It's nothing. Now, let's go back. But before that, do you mind if we stop at a supermarket?"

"We'll be spirit form, so we don't really mind... why, though?"

"I thought we'd buy some ingredients for dinner."

"Dinner...?"

"Yes. I'm thinking of making hamburger steaks."

"What's that?"

Jack tilted her head innocently. It would seem that the problem for her was not whether she liked or disliked it, but what this dish called 'hamburger steaks' even was.

"They're very delicious. Why not eat with me, since you're here?"

"Um, meals aren't necessary for Servants. We'll be fine even if... we don't eat."

Though Jack had said that it was all right, she looked glum in some way.

"Oh, can you not eat?"

"We can, but..."

Meals aren't necessary for Servants. However, this did not mean that they had no sense of taste.

In that case, what was needed -- was a good taste, and curiosity, perhaps.

"It tastes great. What if I said it's a reward for your good work?"

"....Okay!"

At Reika's words, a big smile appeared on Jack the Ripper's face, and she danced around in an expression of joy.

As she watched that smile, she thought of one wish for when she reached the Holy Grail.

'I wish to be happy.'

It was a wish so very pure, so very sincere, and so very guileless -- and as such, it was a small wish that could never be granted to the killer and her mother.

qsurf
December 24th, 2011, 03:40 PM
...what the hell. An assassin should not be this​ cute. No way.

Mcjon01
December 24th, 2011, 03:42 PM
Nice. Though shouldn't "hamburgers" be "hamburg(er) steak"? I mean, I don't know if it's actually wrong to call the dish hamburgers or not, but at the very least it's kind of confusing to an English-speaking audience about what she's actually cooking.

Vahan
December 24th, 2011, 04:00 PM
Assassin = mai Waifu

Kotonoha
December 24th, 2011, 04:04 PM
So now that it's finished (thanks again Canon), maybe you should post it somewhere other than here, so it can be linked to without people having to read 10-20 pages of us arguing about cameltoe.

Milbunk's wiki maybe?

Canon
December 24th, 2011, 04:05 PM
Nice. Though shouldn't "hamburgers" be "hamburg(er) steak"? I mean, I don't know if it's actually wrong to call the dish hamburgers or not, but at the very least it's kind of confusing to an English-speaking audience about what she's actually cooking.

Ah, right. Fixed.


So now that it's finished (thanks again Canon), maybe you should post it somewhere other than here, so it can be linked to without people having to read 10-20 pages of us arguing about cameltoe.

Milbunk's wiki maybe?

Yeah, probably.

Er, what wiki is that?

Gee-chan
December 24th, 2011, 04:41 PM
Just as a question, what do they mean by "Hamburger Steak"? Do they mean a hamburger served outside of a bread bun, or do they mean a burger made out of something else? Or is it something completely different?

Mcjon01
December 24th, 2011, 04:42 PM
It's a dish similar to a salisbury steak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_steak

Gee-chan
December 24th, 2011, 04:44 PM
......which is?

Sorry, I don't think we get that here in Yorkshire. Or perhaps that is just me, considering I am the only person in my house who eats meat....


Edit: So basically it is a beef burger with some other stuff thrown in. Why don't they just call it that?

Mcjon01
December 24th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Because it has a name, which is why most food isn't referred to by the individual names of its ingredients? Might as well start calling Spaghetti "boiled noodles often topped with a tomato sauce that may or may not contain various herbs and meat".

Besides, Salisbury/Hamburger steak is more similar to meatloaf than it is to the hamburger in hamburgers.

Nerem
December 24th, 2011, 05:13 PM
Because it has a name, which is why most food isn't referred to by the individual names of its ingredients? Might as well start calling Spaghetti "boiled noodles often topped with a tomato sauce that may or may not contain various herbs and meat".

Besides, Salisbury/Hamburger steak is more similar to meatloaf than it is to the hamburger in hamburgers.

Apparently Hamburg Steak IS the actual name for the specific type being referred to! Wow.

Milbunk
December 24th, 2011, 05:21 PM
When the wiki is mentioned I shall be there!

The wiki they are talking about is located here: http://beastslairwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/48529955/FrontPage

And if you want to go ahead and make a page for the fic feel free to.

mewarmo990
December 24th, 2011, 07:39 PM
Thumbs up, Brother RanonCap.

Irothtin
December 24th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Many thanks, indeed.

Apple
December 26th, 2011, 12:15 PM
If it had been berserker Jack-and-Hyouma, would it have been Mirai Nikki ver 2.0?

Fakessassin
December 26th, 2011, 12:59 PM
Thanks for the translation, although 14 servants? Kind of hoping that all the people who helped create the characters for the Fate/Apocrypha game lend them for the light novel. Some ideas from Strange fake might be nice as well.

TekkZero
December 27th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Thanks for the translation, although 14 servants? Kind of hoping that all the people who helped create the characters for the Fate/Apocrypha game lend them for the light novel. Some ideas from Strange fake might be nice as well.

They had concepts for 15 servants, and since Joan doesn't have a master and is summoned by the Grail to rule the War; I'm sure they're all in (if this continues of course).

ShinsoBEAM
December 28th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Saber: Seigfried, Karna(it says Lancer but he can fill saber and rider as well so he is probably going to be here)
Archer: Atalanta, David
Lancer: Benkei, Vlad
Rider: Saint George, Astolfo
Assassin: Jack, Semiramis
Berserker: Spartacus, Frankeinstein's, Sakata
Caster: Shakespeare ????

Saber bonus: Joan

I don't really see how to move anyone off of Berserker class all and all I hope they just remove Spartacus or Sakata, Frankeinstein's mechanics seem interesting at least.

Aiden
December 28th, 2011, 06:08 AM
Jack was so very, very cute in the last one.

It helps that I couldn't bring myself to have any sympathy for her victims at all.

Reika is good at picking targets.

Lycodrake
December 29th, 2011, 10:53 AM
Saber: Seigfried, Karna(it says Lancer but he can fill saber and rider as well so he is probably going to be here)
Archer: Atalanta, David
Lancer: Benkei, Vlad
Rider: Saint George, Astolfo
Assassin: Jack, Semiramis
Berserker: Spartacus, Frankeinstein's, Sakata
Caster: Shakespeare ????

Saber bonus: Joan

I don't really see how to move anyone off of Berserker class all and all I hope they just remove Spartacus or Sakata, Frankeinstein's mechanics seem interesting at least.
Jeanne is supposed to be Ruler Class, not a Saber or other...and some of those qualify for multiple Classes... XP

R.Lock
December 29th, 2011, 11:10 AM
Thanks for the translation, CanonRap.
I'm slowpoke, I know~

Why the hell Nasuverse lolis are the most frightening characters of all, I wonder?

SeiKeo
December 29th, 2011, 12:13 PM
Jeanne is supposed to be Ruler Class, not a Saber or other...and some of those qualify for multiple Classes... XP

Jeanne is Saber, subclass Ruler. Yes, Nasu did just make that up for her.

Lycodrake
December 29th, 2011, 12:42 PM
Jeanne is Saber, subclass Ruler. Yes, Nasu did just make that up for her.
Well I know that Ruler is supposed to be related to Saber, but...nvm then. XP

Five_X
December 29th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Jeanne is speshul.

Lycodrake
December 29th, 2011, 12:55 PM
Jeanne is speshul.
And wonderful, yep.

Apple
December 29th, 2011, 12:58 PM
Actually, Ruler is supposed to be related to being the leader of something. Iirc (according to someone's post here) a boy who leads a pack of animals would also qualify.

Lycodrake
December 29th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Actually, Ruler is supposed to be related to being the leader of something. Iirc (according to someone's post here) a boy who leads a pack of animals would also qualify.
True...but this is Nasuverse. Where Archers tend to sword-spam rather than actually use bows and arrows.
And where Lancers tend to be the Butt Monkeys...well, at least the one Hound.

Aiden
December 29th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Diarmuid gets the butt monkey treatment too.

Canon
December 29th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Haven't had time to figure out how pbwiki works yet, so if anyone would be so kind to put it up there, here's the script, assembled and edited again: http://www.mediafire.com/?fdcaqvvfkkl9v5e

The inserts:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art1.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art2.jpg
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j77/CanonRAP/TM/apocrypha1-art3.jpg

I've also put it on my translation blog thing (http://canonrap.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/apocrypha-act1/).

food
December 29th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Actually, Ruler is supposed to be related to being the leader of something. Iirc (according to someone's post here) a boy who leads a pack of animals would also qualify.

It's not exactly a class.

It's more like "LOL I am Ruler. I am the GM wielding the Ban Hammer. Ph3ar me!"

It's put there for the drama as the story unfolds.

Gee-chan
December 31st, 2011, 06:15 PM
So basically, Ruler is there to stop anyone pulling a Caster (either type seems applicable).

Also, I would guess Jeanne got the role of Ruler for managing to lead and inspire in the face of all odds being against her (the French were loosing, she was hardly a warrior and she was a woman, the latter of which is the reason they burned her. Can't have a woman being anything more than a womb with legs can we, Catholics?). 'Anyone' can lead, but it takes a someone truly exceptional to lead when all logic would indicate that it would be impossible to do so.

terraablaze
December 31st, 2011, 06:18 PM
Pretty sure it has more to do with her being a Counter Guardian since she is stated to be on mission from the Counter Force. I don't know where all this "You have to be a ruler in life to be the Ruler class" came from since we only have one example that didn't even get off the ground.

Gee-chan
December 31st, 2011, 06:20 PM
Well, to be fair we only have one example of Ruler as a class altogether as far as I know. An example that we have yet to see in play, so a bit of wild mass speculation can be forgiven.

food
December 31st, 2011, 06:29 PM
Pretty sure it has more to do with her being a Counter Guardian since she is stated to be on mission from the Counter Force. I don't know where all this "You have to be a ruler in life to be the Ruler class" came from since we only have one example that didn't even get off the ground.

That was just from one sentence, don't take it and run with it yet.

Joan acts as the "counter force" in this war, but whether it was "the counter force against the conspirators" or "THE Counter Force" is not too clear. The terms for both are identical, but the meaning can be drastically different depending on what Nasu actually meant.

It's tempting to go MAX POWA speculation, but it could be just reading too much into one sentence.


EDIT:
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/705-TYPE-MOON-NEW-online-game「Fate-Apocrypha」?p=213578&viewfull=1#post213578 (It was I who went max power, lol)

Lol, I guess I shouldn't have put capital letters for "counter force". But then again, they are the same word in Japanese, "抑止力".

Don't quote this "working for Counter Force" as concrete information for Joan yet, the rest are cool.


EDIT 2:

Wait, shit, what am I saying, Joan's already confirmed by KnK as a servant of the Counter Force (this was probably why I left it as Counter Force back when I did the trans). She does have ties with the Counter Force.


阿頼耶識(概念)
 アラヤ識。ヒトの普遍的無意識領域のこと。総てのヒトがこれと繋がっている。
 コレから生じる抑止力を『アラヤの怪物』と呼び、コレは霊長全体への危害が及ぶのを阻止しようとする。た とえ英雄でも霊長全体に有害と判断された場合は 抹殺される。間接的に働く場合は特定の人間を強力に後押しする。近代ではジャンヌ・ダルクがアラヤに後押し されたらしい。
 これと契約することで支援を得て人間の規格を外れた力を持つ英雄になることができるが、死後は抑止力とし て永遠に使役される英霊(守護者)に成ってしまう。


Well, I guess we will just wait and see what Nasu meant exactly here.

Brynhilde
January 1st, 2012, 05:20 PM
I've been approached by Baka-Tsuki to see if you'll willing to have them host your translations once again, like how F/z was.

Interested, Canon?

Canon
January 2nd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Sure, but I'm wondering how this would work. As far as I know there's no information on how far Apocrypha will actually go, or if it even continues.

TekkZero
January 2nd, 2012, 01:41 PM
Wait, shit, what am I saying, Joan's already confirmed by KnK as a servant of the Counter Force (this was probably why I left it as Counter Force back when I did the trans). She does have ties with the Counter Force.




Well, I guess we will just wait and see what Nasu meant exactly here.

So she's a canonical Counter Guardian eh? cool.

Lycodrake
January 2nd, 2012, 04:19 PM
There was a picture posted of Astolfo/Jackie, but I can't find where it is, now. This saddens me a lot...
But I did find this earlier on this thread...

http://i.imgur.com/MtSEG.jpg

Lianru
January 2nd, 2012, 04:23 PM
"Are you my mother?" d'awwwwwwwwwwwwww

Lycodrake
January 2nd, 2012, 04:24 PM
"Are you my mother?" d'awwwwwwwwwwwwww
So much yes.
...but I want to find the Astolfo/Jackie picture...I can't seem to find it anywhere though, and I've tried 7 different searches... ;A;

Aladar
January 2nd, 2012, 04:37 PM
So much yes.
...but I want to find the Astolfo/Jackie picture...I can't seem to find it anywhere though, and I've tried 7 different searches... ;A;

Then search your feelings. You'll know it to be tr-

wait, wrong quote.

Lycodrake
January 2nd, 2012, 04:38 PM
Then search your feelings. You'll know it to be tr-

wait, wrong quote.
Exactly...and not helping, Aladar...
It was such a wonderful picture, too... ;A;
...I think it might've been on a fanfic thread, but I can't remember exactly...

Arturia
June 21st, 2012, 12:51 AM
When will the next chapter come out? I'm dying to see Joan's introduction! I wonder who her Master will be and what special abilities Ruler class comes up with?? Also I don't think there is a historical sword Noble Phantasm shown that she can use as Saber besides her kamikaze move, I hope they gave her some kind of C rank one she can use for daily fights or have her use Black Keys. I hope her character is treated as a major one just like Saber was in FSN and she wins or is the last one standing. Shes clearly the most powerful Servant out of them all. Everyone else is really nerfed compared to Servants in Zero/FSN (Shakespeare as Caster? ugh... :p)

SeiKeo
June 21st, 2012, 12:51 AM
What next chapter?

ItsaRandomUsername
June 21st, 2012, 01:03 AM
When will the next chapter come out? I'm dying to see Joan's introduction! I wonder who her Master will be and what special abilities Ruler class comes up with??

Just a oneshot so far. Nothing else mentioned as of yet for the foreseeable future.


Shes clearly the most powerful Servant out of them all. Everyone else is really nerfed compared to Servants in Zero/FSN (Shakespeare as Caster? ugh... :p)

Most Powerful Servant? Where you getting this from? Suicidal Noble Phantasm Same with that nerfing, too, since there are some crazy skills going on with those Servants with Karna the walking nuke, George and his absolute piercing/defense, to say nothing of Benkei and David and their Noble Phantasm stealing.

I will concede the EX Rank Magic Resistance.

I3uster
June 21st, 2012, 04:41 AM
It's the trollguy again.

Rowanism
June 21st, 2012, 05:03 AM
I'd always choose Shakespeare over any other servant. I mean, just look at his fabulousness! All of the homo!

Arturia
June 21st, 2012, 07:55 AM
Most Powerful Servant? Where you getting this from? Suicidal Noble Phantasm Same with that nerfing, too, since there are some crazy skills going on with those Servants with Karna the walking nuke, George and his absolute piercing/defense, to say nothing of Benkei and David and their Noble Phantasm stealing.

I will concede the EX Rank Magic Resistance.


Just look at the watered down stats spread out on the 14 Servants and notice that Joan's stats are not watered down with everyone else but almost identical to Zero Saber's including the A++ Anti-Fortress NP. Granted I know its a suicide bomb but then again Saber did kill herself using Excalibur in Zero's ending, a bad end in Fate fighting Berserker, and in the True End in UBW so its more like a balanced scale than nerf. Plus I assume the EX Magic Resistance means she can laugh off a fully charged Enuma Elish with ease. No need to draw out Avalon when her own amazing blessed body is nigh invulnerable. Still what kind of NP can Joan use on a regular basis? I assume she can use any holy weapon of the Church like a Black Key or perhaps that flag staff of France she likes to carry? Or maybe she just owns everyone barehanded which is fitting for a Ruler, you don't even need a weapon to command!



I'd always choose Shakespeare over any other servant. I mean, just look at his fabulousness! All of the homo!
I hate Hamlet. Romeo and Juliet can kiss my ass. And I'm convinced this fag plagiarized everyone of "his" famous works. (I guess patent protection didn't exist at the time.)

Seriously this could have chosen anyone else better than this loser. If Gilles could do it why not Prelati himself as Caster? Or Nostradamus or something?

Mashina
June 21st, 2012, 08:27 AM
... Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away?

Mcjon01
June 21st, 2012, 08:30 AM
He's still acting like Apocrypha (as a whole) is an actual story, and not just Type-Moon's super-exclusive version of the Create-a-Servant thread for people who are buds with the staff... -_-;;

And basically everything in that first paragraph is pants-on-head retarded.

giorno
June 21st, 2012, 08:30 AM
Plus I assume the EX Magic Resistance means she can laugh off a fully charged Enuma Elish with ease.
dibs on this

Mcjon01
June 21st, 2012, 08:35 AM
... Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away?

Maybe if somebody makes a poll we can vote him out of the forum.

redsilversnake
June 21st, 2012, 10:09 AM
Plus I assume the EX Magic Resistance means she can laugh off a fully charged Enuma Elish with ease.

That would only be if it was a magic attack, which I'm pretty sure it's not.


I hate Hamlet. Romeo and Juliet can kiss my ass. And I'm convinced this fag plagiarized everyone of "his" famous works. (I guess patent protection didn't exist at the time.)

IIRC, most of his better known works either were indeed rehashes of earlier stories (Romeo & Juliet being one example of such) or commissions from the royalty to write a "historical" play, but I remember reading that four of his better works were original.


Or Nostradamus or something?

As little sense Shakespeare as a Caster makes, it still makes infinitely more sense than this. You should feel ashamed of yourself for even suggesting such a thing.

terraablaze
June 21st, 2012, 11:06 AM
Technically Saber talks about Noble Phantasms being on the same scale as magecraft, just so far towards the True Magic end her Magic resistance never applies. Since Joan was supposed to be the "mod" who never participates in combat until she's required to sacrifice herself for another cycle, that's probably how they intended it, with her shrugging off all attacks.

Mcjon01
June 21st, 2012, 11:13 AM
They're like magecraft in that they use a catalyst to recreate a miracle. But. They aren't magecraft. Even when they are.

terraablaze
June 21st, 2012, 11:20 AM
The point was that her magic resistance might apply if there was a Noble Phantasm weak enough, but they never are.

Mcjon01
June 21st, 2012, 11:22 AM
I just get the feeling that Noble Phantasms are in an arbitrary separate category just because, and that Magic Resistance doesn't even look at them no matter how weak they are.

terraablaze
June 21st, 2012, 11:27 AM
But they have like a paragraph long conversation about it! Nasu why?

Mcjon01
June 21st, 2012, 11:37 AM
What's the quote? I only remember the stuff in the dojo where Saber acknowledges that NPs are similar to magecraft, but I don't remember anything about her Magic Resistance and NPs.

terraablaze
June 21st, 2012, 12:38 PM
"Saber. Is your armor that strong? If you say only sorcery can go through it, then that would make Lancer's Gae Bolg a sorcery as well."
"Eh…? Yes, Lancer's Gae Bolg is certainly a 'curse' close to sorcery, but… Rin, could you please explain to Shirou?"

It's when they are discussing Rider's Noble Phantasm. It gets kind of weird because then they make it sound like Lancer being a Servant is good enough to hurt Saber oh wait no we lied. Plus if just being a Servant is all that counted it wouldn't explain Caster's magecraft not working.

giorno
June 22nd, 2012, 10:59 AM
put it this way: rider's mystic eyes and assassin's zabaniya are probably the closest things to actual magecraft there is among NPs(in fact, i think they ARE actual magecraft). Magic Resistance STILL doesn't apply against them...

Mcjon01
June 22nd, 2012, 11:01 AM
Mystic Eyes aren't a Noble Phantasm.

giorno
June 22nd, 2012, 11:17 AM
so they're magecraft that still doesn't bother with magic resistance?

Lianru
June 22nd, 2012, 11:19 AM
I thought magic resistance worked against Rider's eyes.

Apple
June 22nd, 2012, 11:22 AM
Mr also worked against diarmuid's face.

I suppose mr is some 'catch all' ability that works on everything magical.

Tobias
June 22nd, 2012, 11:23 AM
no, magical energy only.