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Aiden
January 21st, 2012, 02:44 AM
Nope, not anymore. Not if this crazy gets this bill passed.

http://www.slashgear.com/sopa-sponsor-has-another-internet-bill-that-records-you-247-20210264/

SeiKeo
January 21st, 2012, 02:49 AM
Wow, this sounds a lot like a law that already got destroyed by SCotUS.

Five_X
January 21st, 2012, 02:59 AM
INTERNET BILLS

INTERNET BILLS EVERYWHERE

TypeWannabe
January 21st, 2012, 03:02 AM
Oh goodie, like this can EVER be hacked into, and leaked, and abused, good job!

Aiden
January 21st, 2012, 03:05 AM
This guy does not know when to quit.

ItsaRandomUsername
January 21st, 2012, 03:28 AM
Really?

Christ. They don't let up, do they?

KENTA
January 21st, 2012, 04:39 AM
Isn't this the second or third iteration of this particular bill?

DarkMAN
January 21st, 2012, 05:21 AM
Will this bullshit never end?

Ivan The Mouse
January 21st, 2012, 07:47 AM
I suspect that Lamar Smith is a stockholder of company that deals with media. Bonus points if it is a major company.

Rockxas
January 21st, 2012, 10:56 AM
What's up with USA and these silly Internet bills? o_0

Optimus
January 21st, 2012, 11:04 AM
I think is going to be the first case of a law being approved by friction. That, or everyone at the Senate tells Lamar to stop doing stupid things and, dunno, perhaps try to solve the financial crisis?

RadiantBeam
January 21st, 2012, 11:13 AM
Sweet Jesus, this never fucking ends.

Kotonoha
January 21st, 2012, 11:18 AM
lol, internet

TypeWannabe
January 21st, 2012, 11:35 AM
I'm going to buy the English language and not let anybody use it.

Aiden
January 21st, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sweet Jesus, this never fucking ends.

It's like the guys writing these bills are feeding on my hate.

Lianru
January 21st, 2012, 12:18 PM
Somehow I remember someone telling me that the dude that thinks these up doesn't actually know much about the internet. Could be wrong though.

edit: actually, he just has no clue what he's talking about period.

The voice
January 21st, 2012, 12:32 PM
Ok, soon this going to be 1984

Aiden
January 21st, 2012, 12:39 PM
But Mike hasn't posted in this thread yet.

Ivan The Mouse
January 21st, 2012, 01:04 PM
But Mike hasn't posted in this thread yet.

He will. I expect him.

Sherrinford
January 21st, 2012, 01:07 PM
But Mike hasn't posted in this thread yet.

?

Oh wait.

Brilliant. I lol'd.

Five_X
January 21st, 2012, 01:12 PM
Sherrin, you need to get that incriminating evidence off of your robo-harddrive. The government can shut down anybody that's infringing copyright, and as an Italian robot they could slap any sort of charges on you!

RadiantBeam
January 21st, 2012, 01:14 PM
Ok, soon this going to be 1984

I hate that book with a passion.

Five_X
January 21st, 2012, 01:15 PM
Brave New World is better. :P

SeiKeo
January 21st, 2012, 01:36 PM
Brave New World is an entirely different thing that you shouldn't be comparing.

Five_X
January 21st, 2012, 01:39 PM
Eh? They're both dystopias, but interpreted differently. BNW is all fancy high tech capitalist awesomeness that's also terrible and intellectually deprived, while 1984 is crazy fascist and grimderp.

Orwell here is basically Urobuchi, while Huxley is Nasu.

SeiKeo
January 21st, 2012, 01:42 PM
That's the point: they approach dystopia in entirely different ways. 1984 is essentially political, while Brave New World is more about the socio-economic aspects.

Five_X
January 21st, 2012, 01:58 PM
Yes, but they still can be compared, in that they approach the idea of dystopia in the world that existed in the mid-20th century.

lrn2englishmajor

Twelveseal
January 22nd, 2012, 07:51 PM
You know... This Lamar Smith guy...
It wonder if he realizes that he's basically making an enemy out of the world with this crap? I mean, really. I got to thinking about this, and the Megaupload thing, especially the threats of lawsuits against downloaders at home and abroad...
He's effecitively trying to get the US to commit social, economical, and political suicide, with seemingly nothing to actually gain from it. I mean really, this is just absurd. The whole reason he wants this idiotic Bill is so they can track people and sue them the second they even look at a video, book, picture, or anything else online that's copyrighted. It's transparent as all hell.

It wouldn't surprise me if he starts having a lot more serious issues than the inevitable complaints and threats he's sure to be getting in his mail and email right now.

Huh, doing a bit of research, it seems he's pro-Weed. He supported a Bill with Ron Paul on allowing individual states to determine if Cannabinoids were legal within their boundaries, rather than the Federal Gov. He proposed a Bill in '06 that was meant to bolster the Media's control of IP, much like SOPA and PIPA, which got similar reactions to our current situation.

His official occupation is "Attorney," and he's held his position in the House as Representative for the Austin/ San Antonio/ Texas Hill Country Area since 1980, iirc. So, has Texas had their House Elections yet? I'm thinking this guy's shot his political future in the foot...

Lianru
January 22nd, 2012, 08:50 PM
I don't think he's going to get reelected. /obvious

Twelveseal
January 22nd, 2012, 08:53 PM
Basically. My question is, has he already been reelected for his next two-year term? He's a Republican Rep. but I don't see him having much of a future in politics anymore, but if he's already been reelected, then we're looking at two more years of this BS.

Mike1984
January 23rd, 2012, 06:37 AM
Eh? They're both dystopias, but interpreted differently. BNW is all fancy high tech capitalist awesomeness that's also terrible and intellectually deprived, while 1984 is crazy fascist and grimderp.

Orwell here is basically Urobuchi, while Huxley is Nasu.

They're different settings. 1984 is about the inevitable consequence of letting governments get too powerful and losing their actual purpose (which is to provide services), whereas Brave New World happens because of the people theirselves.


Basically. My question is, has he already been reelected for his next two-year term? He's a Republican Rep. but I don't see him having much of a future in politics anymore, but if he's already been reelected, then we're looking at two more years of this BS.

The next US congressional elections are the same time as the presidential elections, so he's got a year left. I wouldn't be so sure that he's going to lose his seat, thoguh....

Twelveseal
January 23rd, 2012, 09:11 PM
I sincerely hope you're wrong, Mike. I don't want to have to deal with this douche screwing things up more. I don't normally feel embarassed to be a citizen of the US, but he's doing a damn good job of making me feel that way now.

Cubia - the - Anti-Existence
January 25th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I sincerely hope you're wrong, Mike. I don't want to have to deal with this douche screwing things up more. I don't normally feel embarassed to be a citizen of the US, but he's doing a damn good job of making me feel that way now.

Theres a funny part. He had to change his web site. Why? Because part of it was violating copyrights. Meaning his site should clearly be shut down according to one of the bills he's been trying to pass.

As for the "Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act" a.k.a. the "make a "secure database"(a type of fictional database) storing everyones internet activities and bank information for 18 months act" I have only two thoughts. Kill it with fire and,

"Secure" or not is this database even logistically possible?

mewarmo990
January 25th, 2012, 04:48 PM
In other privacy-related news, Google has finally done something really evil.

Don't know what I'm talking about? Google it ;)

Cubia - the - Anti-Existence
January 25th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Can you be more specific?

Is this that "buzz" thing from 2010 or something newer?

Satehi
January 25th, 2012, 05:07 PM
Google "google privacy".

Five_X
January 25th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Meh, I don't use Google for any suspicious things anymore anyhow.

Well, other than certain "not-so-patriotic" things, but those don't count.

Twelveseal
January 25th, 2012, 08:03 PM
Ahhh. Okay, so Google now has set up a method of logging all of your personal information as a single Privacy Policy, grouping it all together. In other words, you can't filter the information displayed by Google, and it targets its ads at you according to the content of your profile and the things you search for/look at. Correct?

Mike1984
January 25th, 2012, 09:33 PM
Well, what I find more worrying is that what I google could be used in deciding what pops up in some other box on YouTube, or similar. I would rather not have the possibility of people accidentally seeing what google searches I've made....

Twelveseal
January 25th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Seems rather like a method of forcing people to comply with societal standards through peer pressure. After all, if you search lots of porn, and your popups are now porn themed, you can't really let other people see your comp. Not to mention if they pass that ACTA thing, they'd be logging all of that as well, so... Full monitoring of your activities online, with repeated red flags making you stand out even more, continuously?

Mike1984
January 25th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Possibly, but I don't generally get the impression that Google is particularly supportative of all this ACTA crap. After all, they make a hell of a lot of money out of copyright infringement too....

Twelveseal
January 25th, 2012, 09:54 PM
True, but it seems like the sites online are starting to get gunshy now that MU went down and the Gov is on the warpath. It could be interpreted, hopefully inaccurately, as a way to jump on the political bandwagon.

DarkMAN
January 26th, 2012, 02:21 AM
Well, Poland went out on the streets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7NqWyBOxA3Y

geenius3ab
January 26th, 2012, 01:42 PM
Dem sons of bitches.. The US managed to stop SOPA, but now Europeans get hit by ACTA, which is much larger scale then SOPA.
We CAN'T lose to this. : (

Mike1984
January 26th, 2012, 01:50 PM
ACTA applies to just about everyone. It's not specific to Europe.

geenius3ab
January 26th, 2012, 01:53 PM
I read Europe on some news site, and was raging. Now I read that it's global.. MORE RAGE! >:(
They're really trying to fuck up the net. :/

Mike1984
January 26th, 2012, 02:11 PM
Well, of course.

They know damn well that, on the internet, laws don't mean a thing unless they're recognised everywhere. So, they're trying to build-in the ability to enforce local laws elsewhere (only when it comes to copyright law, of course, because censorship is only a good thing when it benefits companies that bribe fund the US government...).

.It.
January 26th, 2012, 06:23 PM
Well... shiiit. The net is ending.

But if we're all in jail, it can't be that bad. We could talk about rocks. Call one Shirock and argue on end about which rock is better for him. Srakura, rockin, or Sabrock.

Also unlimited granite works.

I3uster
January 26th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Now that would totally rock.

TypeWannabe
January 26th, 2012, 07:12 PM
You know what would be hilarious. If all the governments of the world got together, and decided to shut down the Internet because everybody was abusing it. Man, people would be pissed.

Mike1984
January 26th, 2012, 07:20 PM
That wouldn't actually suprise me if they were thinking of that.

Fortunately for us, though, the internet is a big driver of economic growth, and there are a hell of a lot of powerful companies which rely on it, so if they try that then corporate bribery will be on our side for once....

TypeWannabe
January 26th, 2012, 07:25 PM
We'd have to get our porn the old fashioned way. Smuggling them out of a smut store. And we'd have to talk to international people the old fashioned way too. Phone calls and ship tickets. Which would be really annoying with Beast's Lair, everybody on the phone shouting at each other.

Crown
January 27th, 2012, 12:41 AM
http://thenextweb.com/eu/2012/01/26/the-eu-and-22-member-states-sign-the-controversial-acta-internet-censorship-treaty/

.It.
January 27th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Well guys. It's been nice knowing you. See you in jail.


I already picked out nice rocks for every Fate/Tsukihime protagonist.

Cubia - the - Anti-Existence
January 27th, 2012, 01:47 AM
So what's the chances of Beast Lair getting shut down again?

Lukahn
January 27th, 2012, 04:41 AM
This shit will be postponed like SOPA.
And still, until the time it's ratified, we have time to make backups.
And I don't thnk it'll pass anyway.

Mike1984
January 27th, 2012, 05:44 AM
Well, it depends if the internet does a good enough job of fighting back.

The whole ACTA thing is an utter disgrace. The media is barely even mentioning it, and the whole thing was negotiated in secret. It's just a blatent attempt at pushing through entirely unnecessary laws solely for the benefit of a few big companies.

deathevn
January 27th, 2012, 06:16 AM
this is really bad, is a bit large but you should wacth this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&feature=related

Crown
January 27th, 2012, 03:06 PM
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120126/11014317553/european-parliament-official-charge-acta-quits-denounces-masquerade-behind-acta.shtml
Shit is getting real.

.It.
January 27th, 2012, 04:05 PM
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


.... Phone number exchange time. I'll get the hearing aides.

Twelveseal
January 27th, 2012, 07:20 PM
Sonofabitch...

Well, there goes the internet, online videos, my games... damn. Probably going to jail...

So... The Empire is striking back, who's in the Rebellion?

Crown
January 27th, 2012, 07:30 PM
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


.... Phone number exchange time. I'll get the hearing aides.
01-800-021-1000

Ivan The Mouse
January 28th, 2012, 05:11 AM
Fuck, I don't have a phone number. And I can't memorize phone numbers.

...What should I do?

.It.
January 28th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Fuck, I don't have a phone number. And I can't memorize phone numbers.

...What should I do?


...... Paper.

Lots and lots of paper.

We're going to evoke Mike.
In our own houses.

Ivan The Mouse
January 28th, 2012, 01:18 PM
...... Paper.

Lots and lots of paper.

We're going to evoke Mike.
In our own houses.

Shouting matches, ahoy.

Twelveseal
January 28th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Lol. We'd have to set up a massive correspondence network. Dear lord, that'd never work. Conversations would be impossible.

Ivan The Mouse
January 29th, 2012, 10:01 AM
Lol. We'd have to set up a massive correspondence network. Dear lord, that'd never work. Conversations would be impossible.

Luckily, Skype exists.

Mike1984
January 29th, 2012, 05:54 PM
Until the government bugs that.

Ivan The Mouse
January 30th, 2012, 06:45 AM
Until the government bugs that.

Then why are we gonna use phones, then? There is this such thing as wiretapping, right?

Furthermore, why should people still communicate with each other if everything has a way of being bugged?

Talking? Eavesdropping.
Mail? This one's obvious.
Phone? As I said, wiretapping.
E-mail? Hahahahah.
Walking alone? CCTV cameras.
IRC? You know what happened at #BLRefugees, right?

I will reiterate my statement. Everything has a way of being bugged.

So should being bugged stop us, then?

Mike1984
January 30th, 2012, 07:00 AM
Well, OK, then, until they close Skype on the grounds that it's too secure and difficult to bug (specifically, it's not classed as a "telephone", which means they can get around US wiretapping laws)....

Counterguardian
January 30th, 2012, 07:43 AM
Wouldn't the streamed audio information be able to be kept by ISPs and hence be played back?

Mike1984
January 30th, 2012, 08:03 AM
No, ISPs don't record everything that comes over their networks (they simply don't have the storage capacity to do so, even ignoring the privacy concerns that doing so would cause), and even if they did Skype is encrypted, so the government couldn't get at the information (in theory, at least...).

solopy567
January 30th, 2012, 08:11 AM
Well, you can always share files on skype if needed...It might require to divide the file up into 1000 pieces, but it's the best alternative, no?

Nobody's Place
February 2nd, 2012, 07:33 AM
...

And I just GOT here!

shiningphoenix
February 3rd, 2012, 09:32 PM
Skype is encrypted, so the government couldn't get at the information (in theory, at least...).
IIRC Skype is owned by Microsoft now, so...

Aiden
February 10th, 2012, 10:34 PM
http://publicintelligence.net/do-you-like-online-privacy-you-may-be-a-terrorist/

Marth
February 10th, 2012, 11:26 PM
Come ON, America. You're making it real hard for me to want to stick around here, birthplace be damned.

Mike1984
February 11th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Well, what they're saying there is entirely true. If you're a terrorist, you probably do use encryption, try to shield the screen etc. It's just that a hell of a lot of other people do so for entirely innocent reasons....

And, to be fair to them, it does quite explicitly say that nothing on there is in any way proof of being a terrorist, and that many people may do such things entirely innocently.

Twelveseal
February 12th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Wow... You know, this isn't far at all from what I said the Gov. might do. Try to declare file-sharing as a potential way for terrorists to communicate. Except that my estimation was of insufficient scope.

Peeps, the US Gov. isn't going to be satisfied until they have complete and total control of the internet. That's what this is about. They can't possibly do it themselves, so they're trying to wrangle the providers worldwide to do their dirty work for them.
This isn't going to end. Ever.
If it gets to the point where there are only certain nations or locations that don't comply, they'll try to force everyone that does comply to shun people that use those locations, or monitor connections run through them.
The weapons they're threatening us with, worldwide, are the penalties for terrorism and the legal actions levied against copyright infringement.

Big Brother won't stop until he owns the internet, and all the wealth and power that will come with that.

Mike1984
February 12th, 2012, 04:46 PM
Well, of course. The internet is a huge threat to government power, so of course they're going to try to control and censor it. It's just that they can't do it overtly because they'd come across as total hypocrites.

Twelveseal
February 12th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Since when has that ever stopped a government, though?

Shoku_warrior
February 15th, 2012, 12:31 AM
Itīs not just the government, though. Bills like SOPA and PIPA have always been supported by a huge number of multi-million dollar corporations who don't want their property to be pirated AT ANY COST.

I used to be able to sympathize with them (since piracy is, and will always be a huge issue), but they spared no expense in showing us that they donīt give a f*ck about their internet using costumers (read: almost all of them).

And of course, since the US has a tremendous influence and impact on internet policy worldwide, the actions of both these people and a few ignorant governors are eventually gonna break the internet on a global scale...

Twelveseal
February 15th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Such is the greed and hubris of those who wield power. It truly does corrupt, and with that corruption they will sow suffering to the world...

Blargh.

Counterguardian
February 15th, 2012, 10:37 PM
So we all agree it's not a matter of morality anymore, right?

Ivan The Mouse
February 16th, 2012, 09:19 AM
So we all agree it's not a matter of morality anymore, right?

Yes. Of money or power, maybe, but morality? Nope.

Twelveseal
February 23rd, 2012, 08:44 PM
The Obama Administration is trying to forward a Bill of Rights for Consumers (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/obama-administration-introduces-consumer-privacy-bill-rights-183303747.html).

Seems pretty clearly oriented towards the internet. So, how exactly is this going to affect ACTA and the like, or is this just a diversion, I wonder?

Mike1984
February 23rd, 2012, 08:52 PM
Well, it has nothing to do with ACTA, really, at least in principle. This is about internet privacy, whereas ACTA is about draconian enforcement of copyright laws. Also, privacy laws rarely extend to the use of the information by the government, especially when it comes to law enforcement....

Twelveseal
February 23rd, 2012, 08:54 PM
Kind of what I figured, really.
It's really vague, but only specifically deals with corporations, so I figured it was probably a diversionary tactic, mostly.