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ReverseLogic
September 30th, 2012, 06:12 PM
Alright then, so it's finally time for me to stop being a massive coward about this and finally start an art thread. Generally this'll be the place where I toss junk I've drawn in order to try to improve it, but I may post other stuff in here too.

So then, while I'm not really anything that special (or skilled. Or even that good. :neco_arc:) as an artist, I may as well start out by putting my best foot forward:

http://imageshack.us/a/img259/6079/prettydecentkohakudrawi.png (http://imageshack.us/a/img259/6079/prettydecentkohakudrawi.png)

While I messed up the top part of the ribbons (;_; ), I think this is the best thing I've drawn so far.


With anything I draw, constructive criticism and the like is kindly appreciated, so if anyone has any for this or anything else I post here, I'd really appreciate it. :) This includes negative criticism, btw; just make sure to actually say why it sucks instead of just saying it sucks. :P

Keyne
September 30th, 2012, 06:16 PM
Don't murder us, please...

Lycodrake
September 30th, 2012, 06:18 PM
I think you did a very nice job, especially with the eyes. ^^

ReverseLogic
September 30th, 2012, 07:02 PM
Don't murder us, please...
Hm? But why would I want to kill you?
^_^

Is the drawing really bad? *frets*


I think you did a very nice job, especially with the eyes. ^^
Thank you~ :D

Anyway, probably not best to start out this thing with just one drawing, so here's another one:

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/9662/femmcswimsuitimproved.png (http://imageshack.us/a/img585/9662/femmcswimsuitimproved.png)

This one's a fair bit older, even if some of the edits I've made to it are somewhat recent (and I just noticed the arms look a bit silly. Which was a pretty recent edit. One step forward, two steps backward http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-downs.gif).

Ximsol182
September 30th, 2012, 10:26 PM
Thumbs up for you for drawing a cute Kohaku! I like especially the eyes and that cat smile

Uh...the one in the other drawing is Fujino, right?

ReverseLogic
October 1st, 2012, 11:30 AM
Thumbs up for you for drawing a cute Kohaku! I like especially the eyes and that cat smile

Uh...the one in the other drawing is Fujino, right?
Thank you very much! :D Cat smiles are always fun~ :3 Your own work is excellent, so that's a pretty high complement in my opinion (not that I still don't have a long way to go... a looooong ways to go ^^")! :)

As for the other drawing, she's supposed to be Fem!MC from Fate Extra; if she looks more like Fujino though, then she can be Fujino~ :3

And to hopefully stir up some more discussion in here... I have a work in progress drawing here that I need some advice on (though the others could be considered works in progress too if enough stuff needs to be changed- but eh).

http://i.imgur.com/ISatJ.jpg

Usually I clean up my stuff in Gimp before I upload it- I did some here, but not nearly as much as usual. ^^" I'm not sure what outfit to put Archer in, and I'm also not quite sure how to give them a more "couply" feeling just yet with how I've positioned them. Any advice and general ways to improve this would be great! :D

ZidanReign
October 1st, 2012, 12:34 PM
Your Tohsaka is fine too

Ximsol182
October 1st, 2012, 04:11 PM
Thanks for all the compliments!

Ah, you made me remember those old times where I still used GIMP

Tohsaka looks fine but your Archer looks a bit younger than how he really is.

Bittersweet
October 1st, 2012, 04:14 PM
Hey!! It's Kohakuuuuu~ ^_^

ReverseLogic
October 1st, 2012, 07:32 PM
Your Tohsaka is fine too
Thank you~(?) :3

Hey!! It's Kohakuuuuu~ ^_^
Indeed it is~ :D She always needs more fan art, even if it's coming from me. :)

Thanks for all the compliments!]
No problem! :D I only ever give out compliments if I really mean it (and that goes for everyone else I've complimented as well :3). :)
[QUOTE]Ah, you made me remember those old times where I still used GIMP
Heh, I should probably use something better, but I'm too lazy too poor to get myself photoshop or SAI. Maybe someday. :)

Tohsaka looks fine but your Archer looks a bit younger than how he really is.
Hmm... is this a bit better?

http://i.imgur.com/ssZNs.jpg

Kotollama
October 7th, 2012, 05:39 PM
want a site to get SAI?

ReverseLogic
October 7th, 2012, 11:05 PM
want a site to get SAI?
Sure, I wouldn't mind. :) Via PM then? :3

Tusia
October 8th, 2012, 12:46 AM
Sure, I wouldn't mind. :) Via PM then? :3

Hey-o with pirated material, girl.

ReverseLogic
October 8th, 2012, 12:52 PM
So I recently acquired SAI via entirely legal means, and I've played with it a little bit:

http://i.imgur.com/h9j6s.jpg

It is the best thing. Seriously, I went in knowing nothing about how to use it, and I'm already having a blast with it~ And until I either learn how to actually make nice clean line art or how to vector trace, the airbrush tool is wonderful~
mods, if any part of this post is gonna get me in trouble, please tell me now *frets*

Five_X
October 8th, 2012, 12:59 PM
I'm always a sucker for Kohaku drawings.

ReverseLogic
October 16th, 2012, 12:56 AM
I'm always a sucker for Kohaku drawings.
Have the fully colored version then~ :3
http://imageshack.us/a/img411/6079/prettydecentkohakudrawi.png
I don't think I got the folds in the clothing right; I may go back and color this again once my skill has increased some more.

For now I'm gonna mostly post older stuff and experiments with SAI until I start improving (just to give a better idea where I'm at with stuff).

That drawing of fem-MC's pretty old, so this is probably a better idea of where I'm at skill-wise:
http://imageshack.us/a/img443/6798/drawingthingiecleanedup.png

And more experimenting with SAI- This is an older drawing (but newer than the MC one at least ^^")that I wanted to try and rescue. http://imageshack.us/a/img211/3341/saberbathrobedrawingpos.png

And I was lurking around the Pokemon thread and saw that people were drawing stuff, so I sketched this real quick with SAI:
http://i.imgur.com/s9Mze.png
It's not as good as everyone else's stuff, but hey, every bit of practice counts, right? :3

one piece of infinity
October 16th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Revs!! You finally started posting those pictures! Good on you!

gotta say, that Kohaku is very nice! Better than those other ones you showed us in the clubs. You're really improving! :)

Tusia
October 16th, 2012, 03:19 AM
Nice Kohaku <3
Keep practicing ! Don't waste your potential!

Keyne
October 16th, 2012, 03:24 AM
[/SPOILER]
http://i.imgur.com/s9Mze.png

Dear Lord, this is adorable!

Gaia
October 16th, 2012, 03:17 PM
Dat lion plushie is adorable! <3

Lycodrake
October 16th, 2012, 03:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/s9Mze.png
Adorable Joltik, RL. ^^
...and I just used a pencil to sketch the Weezing. Nothing near as nice as this. >//>;

ReverseLogic
October 18th, 2012, 05:01 PM
Sorry I took so long to get back to all of you- I had some stuff I needed to do for college and another virus to start fighting off. ^^"

Revs!! You finally started posting those pictures! Good on you!

gotta say, that Kohaku is very nice!
Thank you! :D To be honest, it took some building up of guts on my part, since I'm not very confident about my level of skill on this stuff. ^^"

Better than those other ones you showed us in the clubs. You're really improving! :)
Hmm, did I? I don't remember doing that; just like I don't remember there being a Tsukihime anime anywhere abouts. *shifty eyes* Don't worry, I'm joking~ :3 Posting those things in the fanclubs, though... I feel so much shaaame D:But thank you, it's always heartening to know that I'm improving! :D

Nice Kohaku <3
Keep practicing ! Don't waste your potential!
O_O That's high praise coming from you, thank you (even if I'm not worthy of it yet ^^")! :D Don't worry, I intend to keep practicing hard so that I can improve! :)

Dear Lord, this is adorable!
Dawww, thank you~ :3 You should see some of the other fanart of Jotik, they're the cutest freaking things~ It's fanart like this that made Joltik my favorite pokemon~ :3 (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=496193)

Dat lion plushie is adorable! <3
Thank you~ :D ...So far my specialty seems to be "cute," isn't it? I blame playing too many Kirby games. :P

Adorable Joltik, RL. ^^
...and I just used a pencil to sketch the Weezing. Nothing near as nice as this. >//>;
Thank you~ :D And no, yours is actually more impressive than mine because you did use a pencil to draw it! :D I doubt my Joltik would've turned out as well as it did if I hadn't used the crayon tool in SAI to draw it. :)

On the drawing side of things, not much I'm afraid, but I did sketch these to try to make myself feel better to distract myself from the splitting headache I was getting while doing my college junk:
http://i.imgur.com/rUPQX.png
http://i.imgur.com/WMwp0.png
Not all that great really in my opinion at least, but they did their job. I think the first version's better because it's more stylized, but I could always be wrong. :P

Lycodrake
October 18th, 2012, 07:08 PM
You're learning, which is more than can be said of most people.
...like me; I haven't picked up my tablet in months despite having one and access to SAI.

Crayon tool is awesome.~

ReverseLogic
October 19th, 2012, 04:11 PM
You're learning, which is more than can be said of most people.
...like me; I haven't picked up my tablet in months despite having one and access to SAI.

Crayon tool is awesome.~
Hopefully I'm learning- if I can get better at this, that'd be a good thing. :) But nah, you're doing fine. :D And you should use your tablet and draw some more; even if ya draw something that you don't think is that great, the practice never hurts (which I think it'd be far better than you'd think it'd be, to be honest :3). :) ...Now I wish I had a tablet :(

Crayon tool is the best thing, I agree~ :3

Kotollama
October 19th, 2012, 07:10 PM
To be honest, it took some building up of guts on my part, since I'm not very confident about my level of skill on this stuff. ^^"

JUST BARF INTO US.

show us all your guts! :3c

ReverseLogic
October 19th, 2012, 11:29 PM
JUST BARF INTO US.

show us all your guts! :3c
You're right! :D If video games have taught me anything, exposing my guts should allow me to take more damage than normal! :D I'll become one gutsy gal! :D
... except I don't have anything to expose right now ;_;

ReverseLogic
October 20th, 2012, 03:15 AM
http://i.imgur.com/T3BRQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/9y6Wf.png

http://i.imgur.com/zrlt5.png
I figured out how layers work in SAI, yaaaay! :D And the way they work is the bestest, I'll never have to worry about screwing up the main picture with the background ever again~ ...Maybe if I did more of what Kirby's doing in that picture, I'd be less prone to idiocy, huh? :neco_arc:

one piece of infinity
October 20th, 2012, 05:14 AM
Master...what have I told you about getting good sleep? :(

ReverseLogic
October 20th, 2012, 10:31 PM
Master...what have I told you about getting good sleep? :(
I've been trying, I swear! :< ...It's just I tend to lose track of time waaay to easily. ^^" Thank you for your concern, though~ :D

I have a Type-Moon related fan art on the way that's not just me messing around in SAI, I swear! I'm just still working on it is all. ^^"

one piece of infinity
October 21st, 2012, 04:27 AM
I've been trying, I swear! :< ...It's just I tend to lose track of time waaay to easily. ^^" Thank you for your concern, though~ :D

I have a Type-Moon related fan art on the way that's not just me messing around in SAI, I swear! I'm just still working on it is all. ^^"
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Ok sounds good!

ReverseLogic
October 22nd, 2012, 01:59 AM
Alrighty, I promised Type Moon art that isn't just messing around and SAI, so here ya go! ...Well, the WIP version, anyway. ^^" This is actually a practice exercise, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to post it here, at least at this stage:

http://i.imgur.com/Ab0dT.jpg
The general pose was referenced from this (https://yande.re/post/show/120243/animal_ears-fate-stay_night-fujii_maki-kaleido_rub) (official art all the way! :D) The rest was 100% me, no referencing whatsoever. :)

As you may have noticed, her expression has changed from the original, as has how her hair is moving. This is because, even if it is just practice, I don't like directly copying someone else's work, official art or no.

So you see, I'm having trouble deciding what outfit to put her in, especially with that pose. ^^" She almost looks like she's jumping over a fence or a hurdle or something, so I might go with that if all else fails. :) My original plan was to have her sitting on a floating pool chair with her hand holding down something in the water, but given how she's posed, I'm not sure how well that'd actually work. ^^"

Also, one more silly thing from me messing around in SAI:
http://i.imgur.com/i0DZG.png
I think the background possibly needs to be darker, which is fine since I still have the SAI file handy. :)

one piece of infinity
October 22nd, 2012, 03:31 AM
Yeah, it does. I can barely see little rin's face...

Big Rin is A-OK

ReverseLogic
October 23rd, 2012, 01:23 AM
Yeah, it does. I can barely see little rin's face...

Big Rin is A-OK
Replaced it with what's hopefully a better version. :)

And thank you~ :D

ReverseLogic
October 23rd, 2012, 10:11 PM
More practice~

http://i.imgur.com/9jOSZ.jpg

Another WIP drawing, I know. ^^" I'm proud to say that I did not reference anything so far with this one~ ...Though I'm gonna have to in the future, especially since I'm going to end up drawing her in the Last Episode dress. And because feet and hands are mean. :<



Again, if anybody has any constructive criticism to give on this or any of the other drawings I've done so far, feel absolutely free! :D I'm not looking for attention, just to improve. ^^"

ReverseLogic
October 25th, 2012, 02:13 AM
Making progress on the Saber drawing- still in the rough sketch stage, but at least I have her in her dress now ^^"

http://i.imgur.com/n6rtr.jpg


Again, if anybody has advice, suggestions, or whatever on this or any of the other stuff I've thrown in the thread so far, hit me with it! :D Like with her nose for example- it might need changed ^^"

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
October 25th, 2012, 03:05 AM
your proportions are kinda off, like how her head is the same size as her torso (not that I can do much better)

ReverseLogic
October 27th, 2012, 01:47 AM
your proportions are kinda off, like how her head is the same size as her torso (not that I can do much better)
Hmm, that's odd, the proportions seemed alright before I drew the dress on- maybe I screwed the proportions up when I drew the dress on her? ^^" I've had consistently bad luck with Saber drawings, it's like a curse. :(




Anyway, due to lack of feedback on the Rin one, I decided to just go ahead and try to put her in a gym outfit:

http://i.imgur.com/Hdq09.jpg

Again, feedback and criticism would be highly appreciated. :) For the Saber and Rin ones, probably taking a look at the earlier, technically NSFW versions would help me figure out things that went wrong with the later versions.

ReverseLogic
October 30th, 2012, 09:12 PM
I think I figured out what went wrong with the proportions- part of it I think is because I screwed up the entire lower half of the dress. :/

Hopefully this is much better:

http://i.imgur.com/FJlDB.jpg


And experimented with doing linework in SAI- this is where I wish I had a tablet, the lines are so wobbly:

http://i.imgur.com/QdcP5.png

Maybe it'll start looking less artificial looking and derpy after I add the shading and other accessory details? ^^" Though I like how the eye coloring turned out. :)

Mike1984
October 30th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Again, feedback and criticism would be highly appreciated. :)

Draw more Sakura, then :p

Kotollama
October 30th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Draw more Sakura, then :p

you heard him, RL.

ready for some sakura?

one piece of infinity
October 30th, 2012, 11:14 PM
The lines on Rin are so wobbly, but drawing on a computer is hard. Gimme pen and paper any day

ReverseLogic
October 30th, 2012, 11:45 PM
Draw more Sakura, then :p


you heard him, RL.

ready for some sakura?
Just as Koto is suggesting, you're in luck Mike~ :3 I was planning on drawing Sakura next since I already drew the other two Fate heroines, and I wanted to round out the trio. :)

And yup, I think I'm ready~ :) Taking a break from the other drawings might help me catch more flaws, and working on another one will keep it so I don't fall outta practice in the meantime. :)

The lines on Rin are so wobbly, but drawing on a computer is hard. Gimme pen and paper any day
Pen and paper are much better than a mouse indeed~ :3 My hands are kinda shaky sometimes anyway, and a mouse makes it worse. ^^" This is why I want to get a drawing tablet someday; I can have the best of both worlds~ :D ...I'm just in the wrong set of majors to have an excuse to get one. ^^"

one piece of infinity
October 31st, 2012, 12:56 AM
Yeah...I know the feeling Revs...

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
October 31st, 2012, 01:52 AM
I was planning on buying a drawing tablet for my sister using my leftover meal dollars so I could snag her old one but that plan fell through so I guess I won't be ever getting a tablet myself then lol.

one piece of infinity
October 31st, 2012, 05:08 AM
....why didn't just use the money to buy yourself one in that case....

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
October 31st, 2012, 01:31 PM
Reason it is fell through was because I couldn't buy it to begin with

ReverseLogic
October 31st, 2012, 05:38 PM
Yeah...I know the feeling Revs...
Shaky hands are never fun for anyone. :( I've seen some really nice drawings done with a mouse before though- maybe it's possible to overcome even shaky hands with practice? :) ...Hopefully? ^^"

I was planning on buying a drawing tablet for my sister using my leftover meal dollars so I could snag her old one but that plan fell through so I guess I won't be ever getting a tablet myself then lol.
That's too bad that it fell through. :( I wouldn't give up hope though, maybe someday you'll get another chance at it. :) As for me, when I say that I'm going to get a tablet someday I mean someday before I die. ^^" Maybe after grad school when I don't have to pay for textbooks that are over $100 a pop~ :neco_arc:

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
October 31st, 2012, 08:57 PM
Paying for textbooks? What madness is that? I just pirate all of mine

one piece of infinity
November 9th, 2012, 05:40 AM
Paying for textbooks? What madness is that? I just pirate all of mine
This man doth speak the truth

oblueknighto
November 9th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Paying for textbooks? What madness is that? I just pirate all of mine

So true; I have not used a hard copy of a textbook since I got my laptop.

ReverseLogic
November 9th, 2012, 10:49 PM
Paying for textbooks? What madness is that? I just pirate all of mine
I can't pirate mine though because at least one of my teachers doesn't allow laptops in class. ^^" Plus I have to commute, and I keep forgetting to throw my laptop in my car 99% of the time. :(

Anyways, I'm not dead! I was just down for a while with a virus, plus I had some school junk to take care of. ^^"
Pretty much all I've accomplished during my absence:
One is possibly fixing Rin's legs. I'm not sure if I pulled it off or not, but eh:

http://i.imgur.com/nIKQJ.jpg


Then I made some minor fixes to the Saber one. I'm leaving this one un-spoilered as an experiment to see if I can get more feedback this way (since I think the anatomy is still off in parts ^^"):
http://i.imgur.com/O7Gg7.jpg
And to accompany it:
http://i.imgur.com/pKNPv.png

Provided I manage to shake off this virus off some more, I should hopefully be starting on the Sakura pic soon. Hopefully I'm starting to fail less at drawing through all this... ^^"

one piece of infinity
November 9th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Saber's dress seems better drawn now
the Halloween one, the eyes were intentional right?
Also, virus? Sleep....

Tusia
November 10th, 2012, 02:27 AM
I hope you don't mind me scribbling on your fanart

http://i.imgur.com/F0TRC.jpg

Keyne
November 10th, 2012, 02:33 AM
Tusia's on to something!

Tusia
November 10th, 2012, 02:38 AM
Tusia's on to something!

go back to classes moron =3=

Keyne
November 10th, 2012, 02:41 AM
go back to classes moron =3=
Actually, I was praising you, but if you are rude like that so early in the morning...

Tusia
November 10th, 2012, 02:57 AM
Actually, I was praising you, but if you are rude like that so early in the morning...

I'm always rude in the mornings.
Besides you fail at praising people~
it's not my thread, not my fanart, so you should praise someone else.
And now go back to classes and stop bothering people in the morning.

Keyne
November 10th, 2012, 03:37 AM
I'm always rude in the mornings.
Besides you fail at praising people~
it's not my thread, not my fanart, so you should praise someone else.
And now go back to classes and stop bothering people in the morning.
And you fail at life.
I'm praising you for giving good advice.
My classes don't start until 9 am.

lordkaho
November 10th, 2012, 04:25 AM
Your Kohaku was nice, especially the eyes, but her hair:face ratio is off. Either puff up her cheeks or trim down the sides of her hair as its too big for her face.

ReverseLogic
November 11th, 2012, 07:23 PM
I hope you don't mind me scribbling on your fanart

http://i.imgur.com/F0TRC.jpg
Not at all~ :D In fact, this is exactly what I needed! :D People need to give me constructive criticism more often. ;_;
Hopefully this is better than before. :)
http://i.imgur.com/FibGE.jpg
I think I possibly made the part of the dress that is flaring up too short, and something seems off about how her hair around her skull is working with the rest of her hair, but I think it's a decided improvement overall. :) Thank you very much, Tusia!!! :o

And here's the Kohaku one after utilizing lordkaho's suggestions and making some general improvements (if it's too big, I can spoiler it if people ask me to :) ):
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/6079/prettydecentkohakudrawi.png

- - - Updated - - -


Saber's dress seems better drawn now
the Halloween one, the eyes were intentional right?
Also, virus? Sleep....
Yup, the eyes were intentional. :) Though whether they succeed in making it cute or just make it look creepy I'm not sure. ^^"

And I've been trying I swear. ^^" I think I've been getting a bit better about it, but... :neco_arc:

lordkaho
November 11th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Yeah, your updated Kohaku looks much better now. As for your first drawing, I suggest darkening the edges (some parts are too light and some are too smudged), and finally, try using a finer point as the edges are too rough.

- - - Updated - - -

Yeah, your updated Kohaku looks much better now. As for your first drawing, I suggest darkening the edges (some parts are too light and some are too smudged), and finally, try using a finer point as the edges are too rough.

ReverseLogic
November 12th, 2012, 04:23 AM
Yeah, your updated Kohaku looks much better now.
Thank you! :D

As for your first drawing, I suggest darkening the edges (some parts are too light and some are too smudged), and finally, try using a finer point as the edges are too rough.

The lightness is due to giving too much highlighting/gamma/midtone to it when I was scanning it in (I've been playing around with my scanning program's settings). I was too focused on making it look ethereal and made it too light in some spots as a result. ^^" I can probably address that along with the other problem of the roughness of the edges via rescanning a more finalized version in, since I need to tidy up and finalize any linework before I use SAI to color it. :)

Thank you for your feedback, by the way! :D Trust me, it helps! :3

Anyway, I finally started on my Sakura drawing:
http://i.imgur.com/bHvRo.jpg
I think I'm actually improving, as this is actually my rough sketch this time around. General pose referenced from this (though I did take a few liberties, but that's for the best I think): https://yande.re/post/show/189541/arcueid_brunestud-carnival_phantasm-emiya_shirou-f

Like usual, if there's any constructive criticism to be had for this or anything else I've drawn thus far, feel free to hit me with it (especially for the Rin one- I feel like I've hit a bit of a brick wall with that one ^^")! :3

Tusia
November 12th, 2012, 05:10 AM
Thank you! :D

The lightness is due to giving too much highlighting/gamma/midtone to it when I was scanning it in (I've been playing around with my scanning program's settings). I was too focused on making it look ethereal and made it too light in some spots as a result. ^^" I can probably address that along with the other problem of the roughness of the edges via rescanning a more finalized version in, since I need to tidy up and finalize any linework before I use SAI to color it. :)

Thank you for your feedback, by the way! :D Trust me, it helps! :3

Anyway, I finally started on my Sakura drawing:

I think I'm actually improving, as this is actually my rough sketch this time around. General pose referenced from this (though I did take a few liberties, but that's for the best I think): https://yande.re/post/show/189541/arcueid_brunestud-carnival_phantasm-emiya_shirou-f

Like usual, if there's any constructive criticism to be had for this or anything else I've drawn thus far, feel free to hit me with it (especially for the Rin one- I feel like I've hit a bit of a brick wall with that one ^^")! :3

I've should pay attention to my classes, but... well whatever~
http://i.imgur.com/u97x6.jpg

lordkaho
November 12th, 2012, 05:46 AM
What I like most about Tusia's scribble lectures is that I learn alot from it too :D

Yeah, as what Tusia had pointed out, another thing I can critique about most of your pieces is that you tend to make your characters' hair balloon out, giving an illusion that she has a very big skull.

By the way, Tus, do you draw your characters naked first? I have this dilemma of their clothes messing up their anatomy, particularly around the hips and thighs. I can never draw convincing, feminine thighs >_<

Tusia
November 12th, 2012, 05:53 AM
By the way, Tus, do you draw your characters naked first? I have this dilemma of their clothes messing up their anatomy, particularly around the hips and thighs. I can never draw convincing, feminine thighs >_<

Depend, but usually I draw them naked, so I can figure how to draw folds and I won't mess body proportions that bad ^^'

Kotollama
November 12th, 2012, 08:34 AM
drawing naked first helps a lot with the proportions of the model.

Five_X
November 12th, 2012, 11:16 AM
Tusia, you should organize all these tutorial pictures into one big, helpful post!

ReverseLogic
November 12th, 2012, 07:08 PM
I've should pay attention to my classes, but... well whatever~
http://i.imgur.com/u97x6.jpg
Don't let my mediocre art distract from your classes! D: But nonetheless, huzzah, more Tusia redlining! :D These are insanely helpful, thank you! :o ...Oh my, lordkaho is right, I do keep poofing up the hair! O_o I'm not really sure why though. ^^" Hopefully I'll start kicking the habit after this. ^^"

drawing naked first helps a lot with the proportions of the model.
Hmm... I'm not sure why I didn't do that for this one, as I did it for the last two (though it's likely I was so excited to finally have an idea for this that I jumped the gun without meaning to). ^^" That's probably explains the proportional discrepancies (particularly the size of her assets ^^"). But this is why doing a rough sketch is always good, that means it's all fixable~ :3

The sketch is at home so I can't work on it now, and there's a good chance it'll be too late to start applying the edits tonight when I do get home (though if that's not the case, I'll start tonight), so I'm going to try and start tomorrow if possible. :)

Kotollama
November 12th, 2012, 07:31 PM
Hmm... I'm not sure why I didn't do that for this one, as I did it for the last two
Dejikko~

<|3c

ReverseLogic
November 12th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Dejikko~

<|3c
Hmm... Nay, there's only one explanation for what I did. ...My brain cells are exploding. :<

Kotollama
November 12th, 2012, 09:11 PM
well, today I almost lost R$90 because of diarrhea void in my head, so i understand you.
http://www.ff-legends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/exdeath.jpg

Lianru
November 12th, 2012, 10:32 PM
omg tusia is giving out art corrections, maybe I should legit start a thread now :3c

Five_X
November 12th, 2012, 10:53 PM
do it

Lianru
November 12th, 2012, 10:59 PM
wait for the weekend (I will spamdump everything and then never post again, just watch)

edit: sorry for spamming your thread RL >_>

ReverseLogic
November 14th, 2012, 02:38 AM
well, today I almost lost R$90 because of diarrhea void in my head, so i understand you.
http://www.ff-legends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/exdeath.jpg
O_O I'm glad you didn't lose it at least, that's a relief~ :)



edit: sorry for spamming your thread RL >_>
Nah, it's fine. :D Also, I'm with Five, you should start that art thread~ :3

Anyway, here's Sakura with some edits like I promised:
http://i.imgur.com/UtL2T.jpg
Lots of things have improved~ :3 ...But I think I messed up the face. ;_;

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
November 14th, 2012, 03:31 AM
your head:body ratio bugs me

ReverseLogic
November 17th, 2012, 07:23 PM
your head:body ratio bugs me
I've tried fixing it since this post- we'll see how successful I was after I finally post the versions I got done. ^^" I have a few different versions though, so I wanna narrow those down first before I finally end up posting any of the new Sakura pic updates here. ^^"


I'm not sure if I'm actually improving or not. ^^" I guess time will tell. :) ...Right? ;_;

ReverseLogic
November 20th, 2012, 04:35 AM
Alrighty, finally got my versions narrowed down to one- hopefully this is much better. :)
http://i.imgur.com/9dLxc.jpg

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
November 20th, 2012, 04:39 AM
His abs looks like a giant deformed dick

also, make your heads more proportionate. They should only be half the length of the torso, not the length of the entire torso

Gaia
November 20th, 2012, 04:33 PM
His abs looks like a giant deformed dick

Can not unsee... O.O

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
November 20th, 2012, 11:54 PM
a little shoddy MS paint work
http://i.imgur.com/OmTre.jpg

ReverseLogic
November 27th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Ugh, I'm finally back. >< My immune system sucks as of late. :<

First off, I'm gonna get rid of those two Archer ones so I still have some dignity intact. :P Instead, I'll leave you guys with this (hopefully improved) version:


http://i.imgur.com/5CaoQ.jpg

Hopefully the abs look less like male genitalia now. :3

Secondly...
http://imageshack.us/a/img84/3302/sakuradrawingcoloredhea.png
Is this along the lines of what you were talking about Kyokushi? :)

And I suppose that's it for now. ^^" I have another one I'm working on, but that one I want to wait more until it's closer to being finished. :)

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
November 27th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Better but the arms are still to long (didn't adjust them myself because lazy), check where your own elbows are, the points should end with your ribcage

one piece of infinity
November 28th, 2012, 12:13 AM
Better but the arms are still to long (didn't adjust them myself because lazy), check where your own elbows are, the points should end with your ribcage
It looks like she's sitting Down with the watermelon in her lap though, so I reckon it's fine...

BTW, Archer's not a body builder, his abs wouldn't be nearly that defined. He'd have a lot of trouble in combat if they were

@revs: u know what really helps your immune system? SLEEP

ReverseLogic
December 14th, 2012, 10:51 PM
Finally back. ^^" To make things short, let's just say college is a pain in the ass and Finals are annoying. :<


Better but the arms are still to long (didn't adjust them myself because lazy), check where your own elbows are, the points should end with your ribcage
That's good that it's better at least. :) I went ahead and tried to shorten the arms a bit:
http://imageshack.us/a/img831/3302/sakuradrawingcoloredhea.png
It looks a bit off, but that's probably more due to my incompetence in attempting to draw in what was revealed of her body with a mouse than actually following through with the suggestion though. Some of the lines need some smoothing too, I think. I'll let you people decide whether it's an improvement or not. :3

It looks like she's sitting Down with the watermelon in her lap though, so I reckon it's fine...
It's probably passable considering it looks OK and there's probably other stuff I can do to improve it- but again, I'll let you guys decide which version looks better. :)


BTW, Archer's not a body builder, his abs wouldn't be nearly that defined. He'd have a lot of trouble in combat if they were
Archer's actually pretty built, all things considered :) :
http://i.imgur.com/ZuQmG.png

I might have to start over with that one anyway though, since I think I still screwed up drawing the muscles correctly even after correcting them. ^^"

@revs: u know what really helps your immune system? SLEEP
I'm trying I swear! ^^" Maybe now that Finals are over I can finally get a decent nights sleep for a change. :<

Anyhow, here's some stuff I drew while I was gone, at varying levels of completion (spoilered for now outta shame I guess ^^"):

http://i.imgur.com/9trSA.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/MdazD.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/vlkPN.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/CRUxo.jpg


I'm not sure if I'm actually improving any, but eh, doesn't hurt to try right? :3 ...Right? :(

Erlkonig
December 15th, 2012, 08:03 AM
go go go

ReverseLogic
December 16th, 2012, 04:02 AM
Firstly, may a mod please remove or otherwise alter the fourth option on the poll to something that is less suicidal sounding? While the poll was made in a fit of depression, I think it might actually be useful to track how I'm doing in terms of improvement, so removing the least useful option would probably help it better serve its purpose.

Speaking of said poll... huh, I was expecting a lot worse than that. O_O True, it's a bit early to say that, but still... I guess that means I shouldn't give up after all! :D

go go go
Updates should be very soonish~ :D

Priority for now probably lies with finishing out the Shiki drawing and coloring in the OC drawing since they're the most finished, then I'll move on to the others; any suggestions, comments, and advice on possibly making that hand holding the hat a bit better?


To anyone who's leery of this thread, remember, I'm not looking for mindless praise, just ways to suck less at drawing stuff! :D So please keep that in mind. :) Remember, I loooove constructive criticism~ The lack of it makes me sad. ;_;
http://i.imgur.com/N4azT.png
See, I even have a crappy doodle I spend about 15-30 minutes on in SAI to prove it! :sader:

Keyne
December 16th, 2012, 04:40 AM
It's ok to keep Shirou's eyes closed, I think.

Hoster
December 16th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Is there something of a middle-ground between not sucking and exclaiming that this shit is awful? No? Crud...

But on a more serious note, if you are looking to improve then you should head on to Danbooru (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post), or a similar image board. Just hit up a random image (that looks good, the more you like it the better) and try your best to draw it on your own. Drawing from reference can go long ways to improve your own drawing skills. And, if you are not already doing this, looking at and appreciating what other people draw to an excessive degree can help as well.

Worth looking at: The Artist helper: Anatomy (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/86) pool. Expect not worksafe content.

Also: Searching for "Anatomy (http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=anatomy)" on dA. Expect not worksafe content here as well.

Or, just get an anatomy book.

ReverseLogic
December 16th, 2012, 04:58 AM
It's ok to keep Shirou's eyes closed, I think.
Sounds good to me~ :3 Is there anything specific you'd like me to do with this one, such as specific clothing choices (mostly 'cause I can't decide what to put them in ^^"), or any other general improvements you'd like me to make? :)

- - - Updated - - -


Is there something of a middle-ground between not sucking and exclaiming that this shit is awful? No? Crud...

But on a more serious note, if you are looking to improve then you should head on to Danbooru (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post), or a similar image board. Just hit up a random image (that looks good, the more you like it the better) and try your best to draw it on your own. Drawing from reference can go long ways to improve your own drawing skills. And, if you are not already doing this, looking at and appreciating what other people draw to an excessive degree can help as well.

Worth looking at: The Artist helper: Anatomy (http://danbooru.donmai.us/pool/show/86) pool. Expect not worksafe content.

Also: Searching for "Anatomy (http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=anatomy)" on dA. Expect not worksafe content here as well.

Or, just get an anatomy book.
Probably the second one's the closest for now (though I can try and have the last option changed to a more neutral option- you can tell I have a very self-deprecating mindset ^^"), but I'll see if I can get that changed. :)

Other than faces (I referenced at least five different pieces of official art to try to get Takeuchi's facial style right), I've been trying to avoid referencing out of paranoia that I might end up looking like I'm just copying or tracing from a better artist's work.

Honestly, with your observations combined with my own, I think it's high time to get rid of that mindset. :)

Those two links look very helpful, thank you~ :D And I have at least two Anatomy and Physiology books, maybe it's about time I dragged those things out again huh? :3 (so soon after finals though... ;_; )

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 16th, 2012, 05:05 AM
I say you should copy stuff from danbooru until you can get a feel of how things are proportioned

skyfish
December 16th, 2012, 05:05 AM
I think it'd be better to get a basic understanding of anatomy from real figures and then applying what you learn from it to your drawings. Google Andrew Loomis' books. Lots of helpful tips there... Posemaniacs could help with gestures.. Or sites like this (http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/) and this (http://www.quickposes.com/)..

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 16th, 2012, 05:14 AM
I think it'd be better to get a basic understanding of anatomy from real figures and then applying what you learn from it to your drawings. Google Andrew Loomis' books. Lots of helpful tips there... Posemaniacs could help with gestures.. Or sites like this (http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/) and this (http://www.quickposes.com/)..

Didn't know those existed, gonna bookmark them to try out whenever the hell I stop being lazy

ReverseLogic
December 16th, 2012, 05:54 AM
I say you should copy stuff from danbooru until you can get a feel of how things are proportioned
That probably settles what my initial practice stuff should consist of then. :) ...though outside of the anatomy section Holster posted to, I might stick to official art for the most part in order to feel less guilty about stuff. :<

I think it'd be better to get a basic understanding of anatomy from real figures and then applying what you learn from it to your drawings. Google Andrew Loomis' books. Lots of helpful tips there... Posemaniacs could help with gestures.. Or sites like this (http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/) and this (http://www.quickposes.com/)..
More useful links, thank you! :D ...Hmm, I take what I said above back, should I do it the traditional way and practice realism more first, or should I do it the other way and practice via extremely heavy referencing?

As for that last poll option... should I just PM a mod or just wait until one of them notices? ^^"

skyfish
December 16th, 2012, 05:57 AM
Why not do both simultaneously?

I think one of the things people usually don't get right when it comes to studying anatomy is that they think simply copying will make them better but it's really understanding how things work(such as how the thigh will look like at a certain angle, or how the leg will look like from a certain perspective) it so that you are able to apply it to different situations.

(Hopefully I'm not sounding like a know-it-all, just want to share what I know...need to work on a lot of things myself!)

ReverseLogic
December 16th, 2012, 06:16 AM
Why not do both simultaneously?

I think one of the things people usually don't get right when it comes to studying anatomy is that they think simply copying will make them better but it's really understanding how things work(such as how the thigh will look like at a certain angle, or how the leg will look like from a certain perspective) it so that you are able to apply it to different situations.

(Hopefully I'm not sounding like a know-it-all, just want to share what I know...need to work on a lot of things myself!)
Nah, you sound just fine. :D And that's probably the best way to approach it really- there's a reason people tend to recommend studying and drawing realism before moving on to a more stylized form after all. :) Plus it wouldn't hurt to look at the anatomy some more in a general sense- I've always been better at physiology than anatomy, so this would help round out my knowledge in other ways too (it never fails- it doesn't matter whether it's college or high school, the muscle lab practicals kick my ass every time ;_; ). :D

That all being said, while I might complete the more complete pictures and post them here for completion's sake (they aren't horrid after all), I might take a bit of a hiatus from posting stuff here unless I draw something of note during my practicing (or another of those dumb little doodle things I guess :P). The SaberXShirou one is an exception because it's mostly incomplete- I can go back to it and apply my improved skills to it once I think I'm ready to test to see how much I've improved. :)

skyfish
December 16th, 2012, 06:21 AM
How about posting regularly so you can get feedback? (Or start a blog? :D)

Keyne
December 16th, 2012, 06:32 AM
Oh, and RL-tan, you asked about the clothes they should wear?

Why not leave them nekid? :3

But if you have to, then...

Saber: http://i.imgur.com/HnxK5.jpg
Shirou: http://i.imgur.com/4sb5C.jpg

ReverseLogic
December 16th, 2012, 06:36 AM
How about posting regularly so you can get feedback? (Or start a blog? :D)
Hmm... while I feel bad about posting stuff I feel like I've copied from someone else on, as long as I don't claim their hard work as my own and make sure to give credit where credit is due it should be OK, right? :) ...Right? :(

You're probably right though- I take what I said back, unless it's complete crap and needs to be scrapped, I'll go ahead and post just about everything I draw here (even the stuff I feel like a copy cat on :<... which it feels weird posting that kind of stuff for the first time, but if it helps... ^^" ). I'm starting to get lots of input and good advice coming in, that's always a good start~ :D

- - - Updated - - -


Oh, and RL-tan, you asked about the clothes they should wear?

Why not leave them nekid? :3

But if you have to, then...

Saber: http://i.imgur.com/HnxK5.jpg
Shirou: http://i.imgur.com/4sb5C.jpg
I'll consider both options~ (but considering how you're supposed to draw proportions correctly... you may well get both~ :3)

Keyne
December 16th, 2012, 06:39 AM
I'll consider both options~ (but considering how you're supposed to draw proportions correctly... you may well get both~ :3)
\o/ yay!

Lianru
December 16th, 2012, 11:09 AM
you can tell I have a very self-deprecating mindset
RL is trying to steal my spot D: challenge accepted, I will be worse

SeiKeo
December 16th, 2012, 11:54 AM
Firstly, may a mod please remove or otherwise alter the fourth option on the poll to something that is less suicidal sounding? While the poll was made in a fit of depression, I think it might actually be useful to track how I'm doing in terms of improvement, so removing the least useful option would probably help it better serve its purpose.

In there and done: although, note that it'll usually be a good bet to message one of us instead of whenever we read the thread.

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 16th, 2012, 03:01 PM
RL is trying to steal my spot D: challenge accepted, I will be worse
If you actually posted what you drew that wouldn't be a problem

You brought this on yourself

Lianru
December 16th, 2012, 03:22 PM
See, I'm so much worse that I can't even bear to post what I draw

Hoster
December 16th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Do it Lianru! Make your own thread, post what you drawn, receive wonderful critique that will level up your skills! Everyone wins.

ReverseLogic
December 17th, 2012, 12:41 AM
In there and done: although, note that it'll usually be a good bet to message one of us instead of whenever we read the thread.
Thank you very much. :) I've never had to do anything like this before, so I wasn't sure what to do; sorry I didn't do it via a message Leo. :( Now I know for next time that I should VM or PM one of you, and will do so in the future. :)

See, I'm so much worse that I can't even bear to post what I draw
wut D: You're at least 100 times better than me at this, you shouldn't insult yourself so terribly... ;_;

Do it Lianru! Make your own thread, post what you drawn, receive wonderful critique that will level up your skills! Everyone wins.
And I agree with Hoster here, you should make a thread since you are at least 100 times better than me at this~ :D

Lianru
December 17th, 2012, 01:00 PM
wut D: You're at least 100 times better than me at this, you shouldn't insult yourself so terribly... ;_;
no u

:3c

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 17th, 2012, 02:05 PM
Says the person who hit 1st in the art contest. Only person who gets to be self deprecating us me since I got dead last.

Lianru
December 17th, 2012, 04:55 PM
You got last? Really? o.o

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 17th, 2012, 06:28 PM
yeap, lowest average score out of everyone who actually drew a servant

Lianru
December 17th, 2012, 07:15 PM
See, so you weren't dead last.

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 17th, 2012, 07:55 PM
only if you count the person that somehow managed to draw a random familiar instead of a servant for the servant drawing contest

Lianru
December 17th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Hey, she said anything!


It can be cute,awesome, moe moe, mythological, shota, Spin, nekomimi ,loli, or even a pet!

See "pet"

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 17th, 2012, 08:38 PM
well, if it was anything other than a servant for a servant design contest, you're pretty much guaranteed a low score

Lianru
December 17th, 2012, 08:42 PM
that's mean :<

ReverseLogic
December 18th, 2012, 09:38 PM
no u

:3c
no u >:3
Plus you wouldn'tve gotten first in the Servant Contest if you weren't at least kinda good~ :3 So clearly I'm worse~ >:3

yeap, lowest average score out of everyone who actually drew a servant
Aww :( At least you actually got your entry in on time though- though if I'd actually gotten mine in, you placement probably would've been higher ^^"

well, if it was anything other than a servant for a servant design contest, you're pretty much guaranteed a low score
... :<

Anyways, I colored in that one oc drawing first, figuring that it was the one people cared about the least so it needed the least benefit from improved skills:
http://i.imgur.com/U3xqO.jpg
Using this as something to look off of for analysis, what do you guys think my strengths and weaknesses are? I think I have a general idea of what they are, but having some conformation doesn't hurt. :) That way I'll know for sure what areas I need to focus on the most when practicing. :)

Lianru
December 18th, 2012, 10:28 PM
Your faces are pretty good, I would suggest working on anatomy.

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
December 18th, 2012, 10:42 PM
yea, your faces are better than mine but your bodies and poses make them resemble a gingerbread man. They look really stiff and blobby

ReverseLogic
December 19th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Your faces are pretty good, I would suggest working on anatomy.


yea, your faces are better than mine but your bodies and poses make them resemble a gingerbread man. They look really stiff and blobby
That's about what I thought. :) Anatomy it is~ :3 Although, I didn't really add any shading to that pic- while it doesn't help with any anatomy issues-
http://i.imgur.com/WinnO.jpg
Does the shading help give them some dimension at least, or does it not really help? I went ahead and added some yesterday hoping it would help a little. ^^" (though either it's imgur f-ing with things, or the shading was too subtle- ah well ^^")

one piece of infinity
December 22nd, 2012, 06:44 PM
It's really more the fact that the arms are literal blobs...
I suggest trying to make the arms more detailed, like maybe add elbows or something

ReverseLogic
December 28th, 2012, 06:03 AM
Sorry for the extended absence- I had something happen in my family recently, so I had to go and both cope/do stuff related to that for awhile, along with other Christmas gatherings and just kinda resting up from feeling kinda sick again.

It's really more the fact that the arms are literal blobs...
I suggest trying to make the arms more detailed, like maybe add elbows or something
I think I got it this time, though you guys can judge for yourselves (plus lots of other improvements in shading and stuff, so hopefully it sucks a little less... ^^")
http://i.imgur.com/lKoOx.jpg
The girl to the left is supposed to be visibly muscular, but not to a unpleasant extent- I probably f-ed that up, but eh. ^^"

Kotollama
December 28th, 2012, 09:12 AM
MOAR CONTRAST!

ReverseLogic
December 31st, 2012, 11:31 PM
MOAR CONTRAST!
Even moar? :3 While doing it the lazy way didn't really pan out this time, I did try a few variations in an attempt to create better contrast (this should be the last time I post edits of this drawing again I swear ;_; ).

But yay, lots of cool new art threads in the past few weeks~ :3 Check them out instead of this thread, it'll save your eyes. ^^"
http://i.imgur.com/RVPVF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/isW4f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jwQjS.jpg

ReverseLogic
January 4th, 2013, 01:33 AM
OK, so I actually drew something different for once, yay! :D I decided it's about time to start working on my anatomy, so I looked at a reference and just drew the body while ignoring the head (and the hands, but only because I'm still deciding what I want to do with those).

Since it's NSFWish, it gets spoiler tagged.

http://i.imgur.com/wvLve.jpg

Since I don't really have a face associated with this person yet, who do you guys think I should make her? :) And while the arm was about like that in the reference I used, do you guys think I should leave it where it is, or move it more to her side? ^^"

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
January 4th, 2013, 01:36 AM
Hey look, defined arms, they look fine to me, though her left breast seems kinda off

ReverseLogic
January 4th, 2013, 01:48 AM
Hey look, defined arms, they look fine to me, though her left breast seems kinda off
Ah, good, I'm starting to suck less then. :D As for the breasts though, do you mean the one closest to the viewer, or the one farther away ('cause I can't tell whether people are talking about anatomical position left or on the left side left)? :)

In-N-Out Double-Double & Animal Fries
January 4th, 2013, 02:07 AM
her left one, so the one that's on her left

ReverseLogic
January 4th, 2013, 02:11 AM
her left one, so the one that's on her left
Ah, so the one that's further away, gotcha. :) That's what I thought. :3 ...Yeah, after I scanned it in I noticed it was a bit misshapen. ^^" I'll fix that for sure. :D

ReverseLogic
January 20th, 2013, 02:03 AM
Sorry for the extended absence (not that anyone probably noticed too much :P), but I was trying to take care of some irl stuff and ended up making myself feel all crappy as a result, which kinda screwed things up quite a bit. ^^"

I did, however, make some progress:

http://i.imgur.com/HkHPXKe.jpg

What looks OK and what looks like it needs fixing? :)

Also, I guess I have a question for the other artists out there- where does the line between "referencing" and "eyeball tracing" begin to the point where it can be crossed? It's been bothering me like hell for her body, since I don't really know as a result if this drawing signifies any real progress on my part or not, so if I knew a little bit more about what the difference is, it might make me feel a little better. ^^"

one piece of infinity
January 20th, 2013, 04:09 AM
I've always thought that it doesn't matter if you're referencing or somewhat tracing as long as you remember how you drew it and can reproduce it later without reference. Then again...who am I to talk haha ^^"

Vigilantia
January 21st, 2013, 05:49 AM
Maybe it's just me but Tusia did a pose similar to this a month or two ago and that pose just seems... sore to hold if Ciel were actually a model there and forced to hold it for a minute or two. Of course, I'm no arts student. It's not like you can't make that pose as a human but my back aches just from looking at it. Also, her left breast is too high. Unless we're looking at her from a certain angle, the breasts should be level.

Also... her back needs more shadow to define it. I know it's difficult because you haven't defined a light source but shadows highlighting/revealing her back arch and back muscles would help make it seem she has less white space. Well... You know what... I know you're still working on improving so I shouldn't harp on this too much, it'd be like harping on the ending before Chapter 2 was even done in a story. Just a thing to think about I guess...

Course... not an artist. Correct me if I'm wrong.

ReverseLogic
February 6th, 2013, 01:22 AM
I'm so sorry that I'm responding to these so late. >< Real life's a bitch. :sader:

I've always thought that it doesn't matter if you're referencing or somewhat tracing as long as you remember how you drew it and can reproduce it later without reference. Then again...who am I to talk haha ^^"
From what I've looked up, I think the key thing is to not replicate it exactly- don't reproduce it exactly, make as many changes as possible just so long as they remain anatomically correct. That way you aren't just stealing another person's hard work. I could be wrong though, and I don't know how much I'm staying out of this with my current drawing. ^^"


Maybe it's just me but Tusia did a pose similar to this a month or two ago and that pose just seems... sore to hold if Ciel were actually a model there and forced to hold it for a minute or two. Of course, I'm no arts student. It's not like you can't make that pose as a human but my back aches just from looking at it. Also, her left breast is too high. Unless we're looking at her from a certain angle, the breasts should be level.

Also... her back needs more shadow to define it. I know it's difficult because you haven't defined a light source but shadows highlighting/revealing her back arch and back muscles would help make it seem she has less white space. Well... You know what... I know you're still working on improving so I shouldn't harp on this too much, it'd be like harping on the ending before Chapter 2 was even done in a story. Just a thing to think about I guess...

Course... not an artist. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Nah, don't worry about not being an artist, your criticisms are perfectly valid. :) And no, you're not harping, criticism like this is helpful, especially when it's still being worked on. :D Yeah, the pose is unnatural, partially because of it just being kinda unnatural to begin with (though you can look at my reference and judge for yourself how much of it is the pose and how much of it is me: warning, NSFW (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/109264/absurdres-anatomy-highres-nude-original)), and partially because of some failures on my part. ^^" The second part of that I'll try and fix. :) I can definitely confirm the unnaturalness for sure though- I was worried about it looking off, so I tried doing the pose in front of the mirror and I couldn't really do it that well. ^^" And I agree that the breast is likely off, unless that's also due to me getting the pose wrong- I'll fix that depending on where exactly I messed up. :)

As for the part about shading, I usually do that when I color it. :) That should hopefully help when the time comes though. :D

But yeah, thank you for giving me constructive criticism :D - I need more of it, trust me. :( I'm currently trying to take care of some real life stuff still, but once I do that, hopefully I should start up on it again. :) ...I think after this though, I'm gonna lay off the heavy referencing. :( I know it's supposed to help me get better, but... it just makes me feel so dirty. ;_;