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black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:00 PM
In our cold climates we need as much warmth as possible.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:06 PM
I just came back from watching The Martian. I think I wound up spending more time explaining the science to my mother before and after the movie than the actual length of the movie.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:09 PM
Honestly yes because she's actually talking to me. I'll see how it goes over the next couple of weeks :3
The only negative thing (which is a big negative for me) is that she and one of my friends where having a warm conversation about Satanism. I can understand the want to rebel against the organised Church but in accordance with my more Islamic take on "shaitan" I don't understand at all.

Purge the heretic

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I just came back from watching The Martian. I think I wound up spending more time explaining the science to my mother before and after the movie than the actual length of the movie.

I watched The Martian for the dudes speech about being a space pirate.

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 05:10 PM
I'm probably going to go see The Martian tomorrow with my mother. Followed by several hours of explaining all the science in it to her.

I just came back from watching The Martian. I think I wound up spending more time explaining the science to my mother before and after the movie than the actual length of the movie.

EX-Rank Clairvoyance confirmed

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:12 PM
Purge the heretic

Yeah can't be bothered. She's a nice person and she's into physical media like I am.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:12 PM
EX-Rank Clairvoyance confirmed

Sounds more like Eye of the Mind(True) to me
It's all about experience.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:13 PM
EX-Rank Clairvoyance confirmed
It's kind of astonishing how little she knows of science. For instance, fossil fuels. She was under the impression that they were made from fossils. As in the kind in museums found in the ground. She honestly thought that there was some process of throwing dinosaur bones into a magical science machine and have it come out as oil. I then attempted to explain the process that creates fossil fuels. I gave up almost immediately.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:15 PM
It's kind of astonishing how little she knows of science. For instance, fossil fuels. She was under the impression that they were made from fossils. As in the kind in museums found in the ground. She honestly thought that there was some process of throwing dinosaur bones into a magical science machine and have it come out as oil. I then attempted to explain the process that creates fossil fuels. I gave up almost immediately.
And this is why global warming is a problem. Well it's not because even people who know the science behind it don't give a fuck but still.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:15 PM
No, just cold and tired.


Oh, then good, thats not too bad


No.

Got it wrong, eh? Well figures.... Shouldnt try latinify meme quotes i guess

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Is it strange that I've never used or heard of that?

yes, very much.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:18 PM
And this is why global warming is a problem. Well it's not because even people who know the science behind it don't give a fuck but still.
She also doesn't understand other basic concepts. Such as:

Gravity
Atmospheres
How big space is
Basically anything with numbers
How space helmets work
And many, many more.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:20 PM
Honestly yes because she's actually talking to me. I'll see how it goes over the next couple of weeks :3
The only negative thing (which is a big negative for me) is that she and one of my friends where having a warm conversation about Satanism. I can understand the want to rebel against the organised Church but in accordance with my more Islamic take on "shaitan" I don't understand at all.

well, good luck there^^

eh its probably just a thing for fun, actual satanism isnt really a serious thing anyways
i mean its kind of dumb, the way they chose an upside-down cross as their symbol, apparently beeing unaware that theres already a regular christian cross that looks like that (some catholic orders have different takes on what the cross looks like, some have the regular one everyone knows, some have one that looks like that but upside down, and some have one that looks like a T) is already pretty dammn stupid xD

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In my defense it's always ridiculously hot here. It's generally being hot that's more of an issue. Plus my mother gets cold easily and has the heater on all the time during winter and much of fall.

Its not really related to the climate, you dont use a hot water bottle as a means to warm you up, you use it when you're sick, especially when you got a stomachache.

Unless you're Seika and just cold i guess xD

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:20 PM
Honestly yes because she's actually talking to me. I'll see how it goes over the next couple of weeks :3
The only negative thing (which is a big negative for me) is that she and one of my friends where having a warm conversation about Satanism. I can understand the want to rebel against the organised Church but in accordance with my more Islamic take on "shaitan" I don't understand at all.

How exactly does the Islamic view of satan makes it any more stupid than the christian view of satan?

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 05:21 PM
It doesn't

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:21 PM
well, good luck there^^

eh its probably just a thing for fun, actual satanism isnt really a serious thing anyways
i mean its kind of dumb, the way they chose an upside-down cross as their symbol, apparently beeing unaware that theres already a regular christian cross that looks like that (some catholic orders have different takes on what the cross looks like, some have the regular one everyone knows, some have one that looks like that but upside down, and some have one that looks like a T) is already pretty dammn stupid xD
Well apparently it's an infinity sign with a line going up and various lines going across. They where drawing on my planner amongst other random stuff. I scribbled most of it out apart from things like "I love X" :3 (that doesn't mean much btw, cus most people do that to each other's planners)

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:22 PM
She also doesn't understand other basic concepts. Such as:

Gravity
Atmospheres
How big space is
Basically anything with numbers
How space helmets work
And many, many more.

........ my condolences.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:22 PM
Its not really related to the climate, you dont use a hot water bottle as a means to warm you up, you use it when you're sick, especially when you got a stomachache.

Unless you're Seika and just cold i guess xD
I just wallow around in suffering when I'm sick. Although now that I think about it my grandmother on my dad's side might have had one. She had a ton of health problems when she was alive. She died at only 56.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:23 PM
How exactly does the Islamic view of satan makes it any more stupid than the christian view of satan?
Shiytan literally means the opponent of Humanity.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:23 PM
........ my condolences.
That's not the worst of it. Her historical knowledge is even worse.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:24 PM
i mean its kind of dumb, the way they chose an upside-down cross as their symbol, apparently beeing unaware that theres already a regular christian cross that looks like that (some catholic orders have different takes on what the cross looks like, some have the regular one everyone knows, some have one that looks like that but upside down, and some have one that looks like a T) is already pretty dammn stupid xD

It realy gets funny when people accuse the pope of satanism because of it

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:24 PM
Well apparently it's an infinity sign with a line going up and various lines going across. They where drawing on my planner amongst other random stuff. I scribbled most of it out apart from things like "I love X" :3 (that doesn't mean much btw, cus most people do that to each other's planners)

Huh, thats new. Maybe they made that up themselves? Dont take it too seriously dude^^ Back when i was on the boarding school, me and some friends kept joking that we'd idolize some original god named "Necromund the fister of gods", obviously we were just joking around xD

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:25 PM
Which makes more sense to me compared to that guy who pissed off god and it now a red goat guy in a fire hole, torturing people- isn't the devil evil. I guess I should of said "Islamic-esque" or something because I'm not a Muslim.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:25 PM
Shiytan literally means the opponent of Humanity.

And how exactly does that differ from the christian view of Satan?
It literaly translates to adversary

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:28 PM
It realy gets funny when people accuse the pope of satanism because of it

indeed, its pretty hilarious

wearing a necklace with a rune and a dragon in middle school due to my like of Heavy Metal earned me the nickname "Sataniel" even xD

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:28 PM
Which makes more sense to me compared to that guy who pissed off god and it now a red goat guy in a fire hole, torturing people- isn't the devil evil. I guess I should of said "Islamic-esque" or something because I'm not a Muslim.

That's pop culture.
You should learn the difference

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:28 PM
It realy gets funny when people accuse the pope of satanism because of it
XD.
I can understand that it's more of an anarchy thing but I don't understand why people would want to identify as a satanist. I'm also more of a peace and love hippy type as far as my attitude, so this satanic stuff is way to harsh 4me. I think it's just because she's into rock music and stuff...If I do got out with her or whatever, I'm sure I'll find out all about it and she shall begin to watch anime. And so it begins...the infection spreads.

Skull
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
That's not the worst of it. Her historical knowledge is even worse.
Well on the bright side, it's never too late to learn I guess.

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
Because being an edgemaster is cool when you are 15.

Kotonoha
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
Which makes more sense to me compared to that guy who pissed off god and it now a red goat guy in a fire hole, torturing people- isn't the devil evil. I guess I should of said "Islamic-esque" or something because I'm not a Muslim.
Red goat guy in a fire hole is basically a pop culture creation, it's not in the bible.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
XD.
I can understand that it's more of an anarchy thing but I don't understand why people would want to identify as a satanist.
It's called being 15, don't take it serious

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
Which makes more sense to me compared to that guy who pissed off god and it now a red goat guy in a fire hole, torturing people- isn't the devil evil. I guess I should of said "Islamic-esque" or something because I'm not a Muslim.

Under a Christian view of Satan he is the opposer of God's plan and thus the opponent of humanities salvation.
Not to big a difference.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:29 PM
That's pop culture.
You should learn the difference
Fine but plenty of Christians still have the idea of god being a physical guy sitting in the clouds and the devil being a red man with a pitch fork ect. Obviously I'm sure there are some Muslims with that line of thinking too.

Daiki
October 10th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Get your serious topic out of the 7th.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Red goat guy in a fire hole is basically a pop culture creation, it's not in the bible.

Well hell being fiery is in the bible.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Which makes more sense to me compared to that guy who pissed off god and it now a red goat guy in a fire hole, torturing people- isn't the devil evil. I guess I should of said "Islamic-esque" or something because I'm not a Muslim.

its the same thing in the christian view of him, the "goat guy" is just a popular depiction due to medievil people drawing him as such and hell beeing a fiery place is just from Dante Algieri's Inferno, the actual description of Hell in the bible pretty much just says "its a place thats really dammn shitty". Theres no in-depth description of it or the devil's actual looks anywhere in there.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:30 PM
Well on the bright side, it's never too late to learn I guess.
When she's in her mid fifties and doesn't actually want to learn it kind of is.

Kelnish
October 10th, 2015, 05:31 PM
Because being an edgemaster is cool when you are 15.

Its always cool

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:31 PM
Fine but plenty of Christians still have the idea of god being a physical guy sitting in the clouds and the devil being a red man with a pitch fork ect. Obviously I'm sure there are some Muslims with that line of thinking too.

Yes but those people are called a word that's banned on this forum if I remember correctly.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:32 PM
Well hell being fiery is in the bible.

you sure about that? Im pretty sure any practical descriptions of Hell we think of today are almost exclusively from Dante's inferno.

Kotonoha
October 10th, 2015, 05:32 PM
Also I'm not too knowledgeable about satanism but as I recall it's more of a philosophy of "I can do whatever I want, fuck you mom" rather than actual deity worship.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:32 PM
Under a Christian view of Satan he is the opposer of God's plan and thus the opponent of humanities salvation.
Not to big a difference.
Fine I guess. I did say that "satan makes people do things they wouldn't normally do" to which my other friend replied "no god makes people do things they wouldn't normally go like sacrifice their sons. I also feel sorry for satan, he sounds like a cool guy and god was mean to him".
Well the thing about sacrificing whatever his name was isn't really and argument against any biblical stuff because I'm sure whatever his name was was very happy in heaven for eternity.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 05:33 PM
Because being an edgemaster is cool when you are 15.

My friends call me Lace Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:34 PM
Also I'm not too knowledgeable about satanism but as I recall it's more of a philosophy of "I can do whatever I want, fuck you mom" rather than actual deity worship.
Yeah most likely. I've never really felt the need to rebel against my parents at all. Mostly because they are pretty reasonable people and they have always treated me on a similar level to them.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 05:34 PM
Also I'm not too knowledgeable about satanism but as I recall it's more of a philosophy of "I can do whatever I want, fuck you mom" rather than actual deity worship.

Idk whether they really worship the devil but I've seen self-proclaimed satanists that were really spoopy

Kotonoha
October 10th, 2015, 05:34 PM
I was pagan for a while in middle school lol

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 05:35 PM
Use Subtle Magicks to influence Grand Order rolls.

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 05:35 PM
you sure about that? Im pretty sure any practical descriptions of Hell we think of today are almost exclusively from Dante's inferno.


the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire
.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dear Lord, the Evangelicals trained even the atheists into Biblical literalism.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:37 PM
you sure about that? Im pretty sure any practical descriptions of Hell we think of today are almost exclusively from Dante's inferno.

Yes.

And if thy eye scandalize thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee. It is better for thee having one eye to enter into life, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Daiki
October 10th, 2015, 05:38 PM
I was pagan for a while in middle school lol

What changed?

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:39 PM
I was pagan for a while in middle school lol

I know that phase.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:39 PM
Also I'm not too knowledgeable about satanism but as I recall it's more of a philosophy of "I can do whatever I want, fuck you mom" rather than actual deity worship.

yeah, pretty much.

Nobody seriously goes "i worship the devil, i dont believe in god" because you cant believe in one of them without the other, God is necessary for the devil to even be a thing.

Of course, God's existence is completely contradictory to itself too, but you know what i mean.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:40 PM
.

The lake of fire in Revelations isn't hell

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:40 PM
Of course, God's existence is completely contradictory to itself too, but you know what i mean.
Oh really.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:41 PM
Fine I guess. I did say that "satan makes people do things they wouldn't normally do" to which my other friend replied "no god makes people do things they wouldn't normally go like sacrifice their sons. I also feel sorry for satan, he sounds like a cool guy and god was mean to him".
Well the thing about sacrificing whatever his name was isn't really and argument against any biblical stuff because I'm sure whatever his name was was very happy in heaven for eternity.

Ah, probably referring to that bible passage about God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son to test his faith and then stopping him when he was about to do it because "whoa chill out braaaaahhhh, i wasnt actually serious"

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:41 PM
f course, God's existence is completely contradictory to itself too, but you know what i mean.

Elaborate please.
And please don't let it be the omnipotence paradox

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 05:42 PM
The lake of fire in Revelations isn't hell

Have I been reading that wrong for like my entire life?

Kotonoha
October 10th, 2015, 05:42 PM
What changed?
everything required candles, I was a child and could not buy candles

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:42 PM
Have I been reading that wrong for like my entire life?
I'd advise not reading Revelation in general, really.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:43 PM
everything required candles, I was a child and could not buy candles

Capitalism killed Paganism.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:43 PM
I love it when people say that they will believe in a God when they see one. We can't look at this average sun which are scattered like dust across the universe, without being blinded. The nature of the world is a mystery, one that we can't ever fully solve.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:43 PM
Oh really.

If you take omnipotence, omnipresence and all-loving, yeah, doesnt work. Omnipotence in and itself is contradictory anyways.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:44 PM
Have I been reading that wrong for like my entire life?


And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death.
.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:44 PM
If you take omnipotence, omnipresence and all-loving, yeah, doesnt work. Omnipotence in and itself is contradictory anyways.
MMmmm gonna have to need to you to explain that one.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:44 PM
Elaborate please.
And please don't let it be the omnipotence paradox

whats wrong with the omnipotence paradox?

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 05:45 PM
Of course, God's existence is completely contradictory to itself too, but you know what i mean.


Oh really.

Oh my god, it always comes to this.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:45 PM
Oh my god, it always comes to this.
Capitalize.

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 05:45 PM
.

Yes eternal death after the living death as opposed to eternal life. Not seeing the lake as not hell.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:45 PM
I love it when people say that they will believe in a God when they see one. We can't look at this average sun which are scattered like dust across the universe, without being blinded. The nature of the world is a mystery, one that we can't ever fully solve.

We can if we use sunglasses tho

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:45 PM
Also the who created god thing doesn't really work if you use "Allah" because Allah means "that, that is". This is implying that God is literally what is. For something to be made there has to be something that "is" to make it. Say if the universe is constantly expanding then big crunching, then it still must have had a beginning.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 05:46 PM
you guys can gladly discuss religion while im over here reading my way through beautifully extraneous boob grab scenes

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:47 PM
MMmmm gonna have to need to you to explain that one.

the Omnipotence paradox or the part where an all-loving omnipresent omnipotent god is coldly looking at the horrors of war and torture and letting all those humans he supposedly loves and could save without any effort do this shit to each other?

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:47 PM
Sigh. Lace we need our serious conversation away from lesbain antics.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:48 PM
the Omnipotence paradox or the part where an all-loving omnipresent omnipotent god is coldly looking at the horrors of war and torture and letting all those humans he supposedly loves and could save without any effort do this shit to each other?
Probably going to need to explain both those parts yes.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:48 PM
the Omnipotence paradox or the part where an all-loving omnipresent omnipotent god is coldly looking at the horrors of war and torture and letting all those humans he supposedly loves and could save without any effort do this shit to each other?

He loves murder too.
Gilles was right.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:48 PM
the Omnipotence paradox or the part where an all-loving omnipresent omnipotent god is coldly looking at the horrors of war and torture and letting all those humans he supposedly loves and could save without any effort do this shit to each other?
Well that idea is dispelled if you have any belief in a heaven and/or paradise.
Talking about beliefs though, a belief is just a strongly held opinion. We are all just talking about our personal beliefs that have arisen from our own personal experience.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:49 PM
you guys can gladly discuss religion while im over here reading my way through beautifully extraneous boob grab scenes

you can also write religious boob grab scenes.

Im sure someone, somewhere took that scene in the old testament where Moses was comatose for a week from seeing God's feet and wrote a lemon based on it.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 05:51 PM
Sigh. Lace we need our serious conversation away from lesbain antics.

irrelevant straight anime boob grab scenes are so lesbian and queer u guys

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:51 PM
If you take omnipotence, omnipresence and all-loving, yeah, doesnt work. Omnipotence in and itself is contradictory anyways.


Objection 1: It seems that God is not omnipotent. For movement and passiveness belong to everything. But this is impossible with God, for He is immovable, as was said above (Question [2], Article [3]). Therefore He is not omnipotent.
Objection 2: Further, sin is an act of some kind. But God cannot sin, nor "deny Himself" as it is said in 2 Tim. 2:13. Therefore He is not omnipotent.
Objection 3: Further, it is said of God that He manifests His omnipotence "especially by sparing and having mercy" [*Collect, 10th Sunday after Pentecost]. Therefore the greatest act possible to the divine power is to spare and have mercy. There are things much greater, however, than sparing and having mercy; for example, to create another world, and the like. Therefore God is not omnipotent.
Objection 4: Further, upon the text, "God hath made foolish the wisdom of this world" (1 Cor. 1:20), a gloss says: "God hath made the wisdom of this world foolish [*Vulg.: 'Hath not God', etc.] by showing those things to be possible which it judges to be impossible." Whence it would seem that nothing is to be judged possible or impossible in reference to inferior causes, as the wisdom of this world judges them; but in reference to the divine power. If God, then, were omnipotent, all things would be possible; nothing, therefore impossible. But if we take away the impossible, then we destroy also the necessary; for what necessarily exists is impossible not to exist. Therefore there would be nothing at all that is necessary in things if God were omnipotent. But this is an impossibility. Therefore God is not omnipotent.
On the contrary, It is said: "No word shall be impossible with God" (Lk. 1:37).

I answer that, All confess that God is omnipotent; but it seems difficult to explain in what His omnipotence precisely consists: for there may be doubt as to the precise meaning of the word 'all' when we say that God can do all things. If, however, we consider the matter aright, since power is said in reference to possible things, this phrase, "God can do all things," is rightly understood to mean that God can do all things that are possible; and for this reason He is said to be omnipotent. Now according to the Philosopher (Metaph. v, 17), a thing is said to be possible in two ways. First in relation to some power, thus whatever is subject to human power is said to be possible to man. Secondly absolutely, on account of the relation in which the very terms stand to each other. Now God cannot be said to be omnipotent through being able to do all things that are possible to created nature; for the divine power extends farther than that. If, however, we were to say that God is omnipotent because He can do all things that are possible to His power, there would be a vicious circle in explaining the nature of His power. For this would be saying nothing else but that God is omnipotent, because He can do all that He is able to do.
RIt remains therefore, that God is called omnipotent because He can do all things that are possible absolutely; which is the second way of saying a thing is possible. For a thing is said to be possible or impossible absolutely, according to the relation in which the very terms stand to one another, possible if the predicate is not incompatible with the subject, as that Socrates sits; and absolutely impossible when the predicate is altogether incompatible with the subject, as, for instance, that a man is a donkey.
It must, however, be remembered that since every agent produces an effect like itself, to each active power there corresponds a thing possible as its proper object according to the nature of that act on which its active power is founded; for instance, the power of giving warmth is related as to its proper object to the being capable of being warmed. The divine existence, however, upon which the nature of power in God is founded, is infinite, and is not limited to any genus of being; but possesses within itself the perfection of all being. Whence, whatsoever has or can have the nature of being, is numbered among the absolutely possible things, in respect of which God is called omnipotent. Now nothing is opposed to the idea of being except non-being. Therefore, that which implies being and non-being at the same time is repugnant to the idea of an absolutely possible thing, within the scope of the divine omnipotence. For such cannot come under the divine omnipotence, not because of any defect in the power of God, but because it has not the nature of a feasible or possible thing. Therefore, everything that does not imply a contradiction in terms, is numbered amongst those possible things, in respect of which God is called omnipotent: whereas whatever implies contradiction does not come within the scope of divine omnipotence, because it cannot have the aspect of possibility. Hence it is better to say that such things cannot be done, than that God cannot do them. Nor is this contrary to the word of the angel, saying: "No word shall be impossible with God." For whatever implies a contradiction cannot be a word, because no intellect can possibly conceive such a thing.
Reply to Objection 1: God is said to be omnipotent in respect to His active power, not to passive power, as was shown above (Article [1]). Whence the fact that He is immovable or impassible is not repugnant to His omnipotence.
Reply to Objection 2: To sin is to fall short of a perfect action; hence to be able to sin is to be able to fall short in action, which is repugnant to omnipotence. Therefore it is that God cannot sin, because of His omnipotence. Nevertheless, the Philosopher says (Topic. iv, 3) that God can deliberately do what is evil. But this must be understood either on a condition, the antecedent of which is impossible—as, for instance, if we were to say that God can do evil things if He will. For there is no reason why a conditional proposition should not be true, though both the antecedent and consequent are impossible: as if one were to say: "If man is a donkey, he has four feet." Or he may be understood to mean that God can do some things which now seem to be evil: which, however, if He did them, would then be good. Or he is, perhaps, speaking after the common manner of the heathen, who thought that men became gods, like Jupiter or Mercury.
Reply to Objection 3: God's omnipotence is particularly shown in sparing and having mercy, because in this is it made manifest that God has supreme power, that He freely forgives sins. For it is not for one who is bound by laws of a superior to forgive sins of his own free will. Or, because by sparing and having mercy upon men, He leads them on to the participation of an infinite good; which is the ultimate effect of the divine power. Or because, as was said above (Question [21], Article [4]), the effect of the divine mercy is the foundation of all the divine works. For nothing is due to anyone, except on account of something already given him gratuitously by God. In this way the divine omnipotence is particularly made manifest, because to it pertains the first foundation of all good things.
Reply to Objection 4: The absolute possible is not so called in reference either to higher causes, or to inferior causes, but in reference to itself. But the possible in reference to some power is named possible in reference to its proximate cause. Hence those things which it belongs to God alone to do immediately—as, for example, to create, to justify, and the like—are said to be possible in reference to a higher cause. Those things, however, which are of such kind as to be done by inferior causes are said to be possible in reference to those inferior causes. For it is according to the condition of the proximate cause that the effect has contingency or necessity, as was shown above (Question [14], Article [1], ad 2). Thus is it that the wisdom of the world is deemed foolish, because what is impossible to nature, it judges to be impossible to God. So it is clear that the omnipotence of God does not take away from things their impossibility and necessity.

-Summa Theologica

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:51 PM
You're okay

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:52 PM
Probably going to need to explain both those parts yes.

The latter i pretty much just explained, the former, aka the omnipotence paradox, is based on the fact that omnipotency in and itself is contradictory: If someone is omnipotent, they should be able to create a stone that is so heavy that they, themselves, cannot lift it. Them not beeing able to lift it, however, means they are not omnipotent, since there is something they cannot do. If they CAN lift the stone, it follows they are not omnipotent, since they couldnt create a stone they could not lift.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:52 PM
irrelevant straight anime boob grab scenes are so lesbian and queer u guys
Oh I thought you where talking about SODomy

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:52 PM
irrelevant straight anime boob grab scenes are so lesbian and queer u guys

What you watching Lace?

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:53 PM
The latter i pretty much just explained, the former, aka the omnipotence paradox, is based on the fact that omnipotency in and itself is contradictory: If someone is omnipotent, they should be able to create a stone that is so heavy that they, themselves, cannot lift it. Them not beeing able to lift it, however, means they are not omnipotent, since there is something they cannot do. If they CAN lift the stone, it follows they are not omnipotent, since they couldnt create a stone they could not lift.
holy shit am I really going to get the wikipedia intro version of this at least put effort into it

Anyways, please see above for this and consider the implications of the existence of free will for the other.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:53 PM
-snip-

That too.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:54 PM
Why do you guys even bother debating religion with each other? Have any of you ever actually had your beliefs changed from an online religion argument?

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:55 PM
Why do you guys even bother debating religion with each other? Have any of you ever actually had your beliefs changed from an online religion argument?
Because it's pretty easy to expose people who haven't thought about it hard enough.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:55 PM
The latter i pretty much just explained, the former, aka the omnipotence paradox, is based on the fact that omnipotency in and itself is contradictory: If someone is omnipotent, they should be able to create a stone that is so heavy that they, themselves, cannot lift it. Them not beeing able to lift it, however, means they are not omnipotent, since there is something they cannot do. If they CAN lift the stone, it follows they are not omnipotent, since they couldnt create a stone they could not lift.
But that only works if you maintain the idea that a God has a physical being. It's not about intention. God is what is and not what isn't. Such a stone is probably a black hole, an object with huge mass that it does weird stuffs.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 05:55 PM
Because it's pretty easy to expose people who haven't thought about it hard enough.
Fair enough.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:56 PM
Why do you guys even bother debating religion with each other? Have any of you ever actually had your beliefs changed from an online religion argument?
Actually that's a point, it hasn't. This is another stupid conversation that I started.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:56 PM
Yes eternal death after the living death as opposed to eternal life. Not seeing the lake as not hell.

When you throw hell into itself it gets strange

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:56 PM
holy shit am I really going to get the wikipedia intro version of this at least put effort into it

Anyways, please see above for this and consider the implications of the existence of free will for the other.

Im not going to write a wall of text on this, yo.

Free will changes nothing about a supposedly all-loving beeing not beeing fazed in the least by the pain of its creations; if God is really omnipotent, it should be easily possible for it to save humanity from conflict without impeding free will.

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 05:56 PM
Because it's pretty easy to expose people who haven't thought about it hard enough.

i mean you dont really have to think about it very hard the sheer premise of a logical gods proof is absurd

but keep doing the thing

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 05:57 PM
Because it's pretty easy to expose people who haven't thought about it hard enough.

I'm off the school of thought that thats the best way of getting through life.
I'll worry about afterlife when i get there.

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When you throw hell into itself it gets strange

Hellē

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 05:58 PM
if God is really omnipotent, it should be easily possible for it to save humanity from conflict without impeding free will.
I believe, and stop me if I'm wrong, that I'm being told that there's no contradiction between people doing as they choose and having conflict be impossible.

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i mean you dont really have to think about it very hard the sheer premise of a logical gods proof is absurd

but keep doing the thing
Fascinating, I'll be sure to think about this one.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:58 PM
Im not going to write a wall of text on this, yo.

Free will changes nothing about a supposedly all-loving beeing not beeing fazed in the least by the pain of its creations; if God is really omnipotent, it should be easily possible for it to save humanity from conflict without impeding free will.
Pain and suffering are survival mechanisms because the things that don't feel pain die.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 05:58 PM
That too.

You didn't even read it.
That's Aquinas affirming that God is omnipotent

Break
October 10th, 2015, 05:59 PM
But that only works if you maintain the idea that a God has a physical being. It's not about intention. God is what is and not what isn't. Such a stone is probably a black hole, an object with huge mass that it does weird stuffs.

The unliftable stone is just an easy to understand example, you could take whatever you wanted instead of it if God lifting a stone is too physical for you.

Like, say, creating an unkillable human. If its unkillable, he cant kill it hence he's not omnipotent, if he can kill it its not unkillable, hence he's not omnipotent.

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When you throw hell into itself it gets strange

Hellception

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 05:59 PM
i mean you dont really have to think about it very hard the sheer premise of a logical gods proof is absurd

but keep doing the thing
Yeah fair enough point. You can only prove it to yourself.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 06:00 PM
Pain and suffering are survival mechanisms because the things that don't feel pain die.

things that feel pain die too

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:00 PM
Fascinating, I'll be sure to think about this one.

lets logically prove the existence of something that by its premise can not be understood and extrapolate from the base fact of its existence that it fits our exact image because

o k

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 06:00 PM
But humans are living beings. Everything that lives must also die, at least in this layer of existance.

Daiki
October 10th, 2015, 06:01 PM
Im not going to write a wall of text on this, yo.

Free will changes nothing about a supposedly all-loving beeing not beeing fazed in the least by the pain of its creations; if God is really omnipotent, it should be easily possible for it to save humanity from conflict without impeding free will.

What if God is testing humanity?

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 06:01 PM
One thing you have to wonder is why that almost every culture around the world has the concept of an underworld.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:01 PM
Pain and suffering are survival mechanisms because the things that don't feel pain die.

If you believe in God, that means the reason pain and suffering are necessary and things that dont feel it die is because God created it that way.

an all-loving God created a world that runs on sadistical principles like that?

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 06:02 PM
Free will changes nothing about a supposedly all-loving beeing not beeing fazed in the least by the pain of its creations; if God is really omnipotent, it should be easily possible for it to save humanity from conflict without impeding free will.
I actually agree with Leo on this point. Not that I beleive in God mind you, but from a logical standpoint, mankind having free will and conflict being impossible seem contradictory.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:03 PM
i mean you dont really have to think about it very hard the sheer premise of a logical gods proof is absurd

but keep doing the thing

You are not going for the "God is outside of logic so using logic in relation to God doesnt work and its impossible for you to argue anything about God" card, are you? Thats the worst kind of Devil's proof.

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I believe, and stop me if I'm wrong, that I'm being told that there's no contradiction between people doing as they choose and having conflict be impossible.

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Fascinating, I'll be sure to think about this one.

If you are assuming actual omnipotence, then yes.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:03 PM
What you watching Lace?

I'm playing Kimi Ga MuvLuv Eien

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
i dont even know what side youre arguing for anymore

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
I'm playing Kimi Ga MuvLuv Eien

Good Game

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
But humans are living beings. Everything that lives must also die, at least in this layer of existance.

But there are living things that don't feel pain
Or at least don't feel pain like we do.

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
What if you don't believe in free will? It's more likely that the universe is entirely deterministic. Given an accurate starting point of the Universe, Laplace's demon could see arbitrarily far into the future.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
lets logically prove the existence of something that by its premise can not be understood and extrapolate from the base fact of its existence that it fits our exact image because

o k
Of course I believe that logic results in being able to generate true statements about the world. I'm told that it's currently in fashion to not think that our brains actually can generate anything true, insofar as our minds don't even exist in the first place, and if you choose to believe that your mind and consequently yourself don't exist then who am I to judge?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM
One thing you have to wonder is why that almost every culture around the world has the concept of an underworld.

Not all of em, but a lot, yeah.

Jung explained the existence of very similar concepts and legends in cultures that had no connection with each other ever with certain ideas beeing unique to all of humanity through the collective unconscious.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:06 PM
What if you don't believe in free will? It's more likely that the universe is entirely deterministic. Given an accurate starting point of the Universe, Laplace's demon could see arbitrarily far into the future.
Then you have a peculiar kind of theology in which neither good nor evil actually exist.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:07 PM
Not all of em, but a lot, yeah.

Jung explained the existence of very similar concepts and legends in cultures that had no connection with each other ever with certain ideas beeing unique to all of humanity through the collective unconscious.
So you're going to deny the existence of the supernatural and then resort to the quite frankly magical notion of a universal human brain-internet?

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:07 PM
Good Game

how long will it take me to get into blue hair pants and get the first half over with

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:07 PM
logic is the product of a flawed mind

only in God lies truth

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:07 PM
If you believe in God, that means the reason pain and suffering are necessary and things that dont feel it die is because God created it that way.

an all-loving God created a world that runs on sadistical principles like that?

How about you look up the answers to the Theodicy problem that exist since the antiquity?
It's realy not something groundbreaking

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 06:08 PM
What if you don't believe in free will? It's more likely that the universe is entirely deterministic. Given an accurate starting point of the Universe, Laplace's demon could see arbitrarily far into the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-Calvinism

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:08 PM
how long will it take me to get into blue hair pants and get the first half over with
Red hair and blue hair share like 70% of their route so basically once you are in her pants the other one is rapid sequences.

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 06:08 PM
In order to fulfill His prophecies, God must predestine history to a certain degree. The Bible clearly indicates that God predestined redemptive history, specifically, the coming of the Messiah.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:09 PM
logic is the product of a flawed mind

only in God lies truth
That we are made in the image of God is not a mere physical scrip. God, being unembodied mind, is logic - logos, see - and that we are made in His image indicates the same capacity in similar form.

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In order to fulfill His prophecies, God must predestine history to a certain degree. The Bible clearly indicates that God predestined redemptive history, specifically, the coming of the Messiah.
Only if you're some kind of fucko who believes in the Jewish Bible tbh.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:09 PM
logic is the product of a flawed mind

only in God lies truth

We are made in God's image though

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 06:09 PM
logic is the product of a flawed mind

only in God lies truth

Logic in and of itself is not flawed. Logic can be used to understand creation. The misapplication of logic to God who is outside creation is a flawed use of it.

GhostDIGIT
October 10th, 2015, 06:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTGh0Zl9F4M
Epic fist fight in the sky at 6:48

You
October 10th, 2015, 06:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTGh0Zl9F4M
Epic fist fight in the sky at 6:48
expected people to actually be flying
no on some platform.
betrayalofexpectation/10.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:13 PM
So you're going to deny the existence of the supernatural and then resort to the quite frankly magical notion of a universal human brain-internet?

I never said i'd deny supernatural stuff in general, as you know im a pretty big follower of Jung. Im just denieng certain supernatural things like gods.

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:14 PM
We are made in God's image though

being made in his image as justification for elevating your status to the divine...

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:15 PM
I never said i'd deny supernatural stuff in general, as you know im a pretty big follower of Jung. Im just denieng certain supernatural things like gods.
Well, of course gods don't exist, that's silly.

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:16 PM
I never said i'd deny supernatural stuff in general, as you know im a pretty big follower of Jung. Im just denieng certain supernatural things like gods.

wow so this is just a general idiot fight then

carry on

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 06:17 PM
I never said i'd deny supernatural stuff in general, as you know im a pretty big follower of Jung. Im just denieng certain supernatural things like gods.
That seems contradictory. The existence of some supernatural collective unconcious seems just as foolish as the existence of God to me.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 06:18 PM
That's why discussing religion is stupid

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:25 PM
That seems contradictory. The existence of some supernatural collective unconcious seems just as foolish as the existence of God to me.

I wouldnt say so, the human consciousness having some grounded concepts and ideas that apply to each and every human does not contain anything self-contradictory; its not even necessary to interpret it as something supernatural, unless you mean literally everyone's subconsciousness beeing connected; thats not really it though, its more like the root of it beeing the same for every human.

Why are people so adamant on creating religions all over the world? Because the need to believe in some higher-plane existence we can confide in is deeply ingrained in every human's subconscious from the beginning, aka its part of the collective subconscious.

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Imo it was all going fairly well but then the troll train started and you can't do much at that point.


stay still
they can't see you if you don't move

I blame leo

we were all peacefully reassuring blackblade that he doesnt need to be worried about his girlfriend's satanism phase because its not a real religion and will most likely pass at first.....

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:26 PM
Because the need to believe in some higher-plane existence we can confide in is deeply ingrained in every human's subconscious from the beginning, aka its part of the collective subconscious.

Mhm, I see

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can we move on now

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:27 PM
I blame leo

we were all peacefully reassuring blackblade that he doesnt need to be worried about his girlfriend's satanism phase because its not a real religion and will most likely pass at first.....
I don't believe I was the one who first threw their fedora into the ring, speaking figuratively about the ring.

You
October 10th, 2015, 06:27 PM
pretty sure satanism is a real religion.
got the tax code and everything?

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:29 PM
I wouldnt say so, the human consciousness having some grounded concepts and ideas that apply to each and every human does not contain anything self-contradictory;

Neither does omnipotence.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:30 PM
Aaaaaaanyways

got any good music recently, guys? Im listening to Fiddler's Green a lot lately.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 06:31 PM
can we move on now

Is the VN you're playing... decent...?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:31 PM
Neither does omnipotence.

So where's the mistake in the omnipotence paradox?

I mean AGGGHHHH i was just trieng to steer it away from this

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 06:32 PM
Decent as in the storyline isn't total crap.

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Mah merge.

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 06:32 PM
So where's the mistake in the omnipotence paradox?

I mean AGGGHHHH i was just trieng to steer it away from this

Yet, here you are, bringing it back to that topic.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:32 PM
So where's the mistake in the omnipotence paradox?

I mean AGGGHHHH i was just trieng to steer it away from this

I may redirect you

snip

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 06:33 PM
You just had to bring it back, didn't you Break?

You
October 10th, 2015, 06:34 PM
Does it even matter when most of its practitioners are still high schoolers?
colleges are looking for a diverse community. You can say that you're part of a non-profit organization.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:36 PM
Is the VN you're playing... decent...?

its trash in the way that its so trash that its funny and enjoyable

but apparently it becomes Very Good when you're past the first 20 hours so what do i know

ask buster hes it's salesman

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:40 PM
colleges are looking for a diverse community. You can say that you're part of a non-profit organization.

In college most should have grown out of it

You
October 10th, 2015, 06:41 PM
In college most should have grown out of it
yeah but this is for college applications so you appear to be a well-rounded individual.
Just ditch it when you get to college.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:44 PM
Yet, here you are, bringing it back to that topic.

Im just pathologically replieng to replies to me because i cant bring myself to not reply to something like that, it would be way rude if i just ignored it

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 06:49 PM
its trash in the way that its so trash that its funny and enjoyable

but apparently it becomes Very Good when you're past the first 20 hours so what do i know

ask buster hes it's salesman

https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:51 PM
thats my boi

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:51 PM
wow it's better than fate stay night must be the literary work from japan of the century

Strife ❤️
October 10th, 2015, 06:52 PM
That but actually.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:53 PM
I have high expectations

Break
October 10th, 2015, 06:53 PM
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating

So buster, i was thinking of reading Muv-Luv Alternate Chronicles, are they worth it? I also gotta reread Umineko now that i applied the ps3 voice- and graphics mod.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:53 PM
Also lol umineko 1-4 is way over umineko chiru

i chuckled

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:53 PM
I have high expectations
I'm preemptively sorry.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:55 PM
if its so good that it makes me break down do i get to ugly cry at someone on skype

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:55 PM
Not with me

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:55 PM
I'm preemptively sorry.

Tbh I just have to pretend the first 20 hours of harem animu are entirely ironic and a deconstruction of something

thats how tv tropes does it right

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 06:56 PM
Anybody here seen The Martian?

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 06:58 PM
Tbh I just have to pretend the first 20 hours of harem animu are entirely ironic and a deconstruction of something

thats how tv tropes does it right
They're pretty legit

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 06:59 PM
Tbh I just have to pretend the first 20 hours of harem animu are entirely ironic and a deconstruction of something

thats how tv tropes does it right

It's interesting how that website managed to define "deconstruction" as something that has literaly nothing to do with deconstruction as a literary term

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 06:59 PM
Anybody here seen The Martian?

There's a General Movies Thread you might want to check for this

(hint: its not in the 7th)

Frostyvale
October 10th, 2015, 06:59 PM
I watched Evangelion and I can confirm that it is indeed the kind of thing that some people would call a "deconstruction" while also being the kind of thing that some people would call a "harem animu" but on the whole it's definitely solid proof of intelligent design.

Of Evangelion that is.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 06:59 PM
There's a General Movies Thread you might want to check for this

(hint: its not in the 7th)


Sorry.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 07:00 PM
Also lol umineko 1-4 is way over umineko chiru

i chuckled

Its because many people hate on the ending, same with Higurashi

Frostyvale
October 10th, 2015, 07:01 PM
If Evangelion is proof of its own intelligent design then I'm a teapot short and stout.

I shall name this the "Blind Anno" dichotomy and publish a book about it.

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 07:01 PM
There's a General Movies Thread you might want to check for this

(hint: its not in the 7th)

To be fair theres is also a general visual novel thread that is also not in the 7th

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 07:01 PM
I watched Evangelion and I can confirm that it is indeed the kind of thing that some people would call a "deconstruction" while also being the kind of thing that some people would call a "harem animu" but on the whole it's definitely solid proof of intelligent design.

Of Evangelion that is.
There's no designer mate.

Frostyvale
October 10th, 2015, 07:04 PM
There's no designer mate.
How dare you besmirch the word of Hideaki that has disseminated through the world.

He's even published his own holy book.

Der Mond is sufficient to found a creation narrative.

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 07:06 PM
You watched EoE, right?

Frostyvale
October 10th, 2015, 07:06 PM
You watched EoE, right?
No Mr. New Testament.

I'm very traditional.

SeiKeo
October 10th, 2015, 07:07 PM
No Mr. New Testament.

I'm very traditional.
Actually, the New Testament is good.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 07:07 PM
To be fair theres is also a general visual novel thread that is also not in the 7th

Yes, anyone who wants to seriously discuss VNs should use that thread imo

Frostyvale
October 10th, 2015, 07:08 PM
Actually, the New Testament is good.
I will never acknowledge more than the original.

So yeah let's just say that I'm a believer in the first frame of Evangelion and nothing more than that.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 07:09 PM
but u can gladly discuss movies in this thread its not like theres any rules for this lmao

im saying if u want to see who else watched the martian the general movies thread will most likely be more helpful than this one

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 07:09 PM
eoe is pretty much indisputably one of the best anime movies ever made

I3uster
October 10th, 2015, 07:12 PM
i pretty much always lowercase in the 7th

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 07:13 PM
I liked the part where Asuka got destroyed

Break
October 10th, 2015, 07:21 PM
I liked the part where Asuka got destroyed

that part was pretty depressing IMO
but admittably one of the best animated mecha fights of the last decades

I liked the part where longhair Eva-01 chilled on the moon OOOOHHH forgot they cut that out

JetKinen
October 10th, 2015, 07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV16ROaHVfo

My favorite pretentious video game analyst posted a 6 hour video.

Goodbye studying

Elthanes
October 10th, 2015, 07:31 PM
I liked the part where Asuka got destroyed

Shinji's reaction was better

Break
October 10th, 2015, 07:34 PM
Shinji's reaction was better

I liked how he freaked the fuck out over giant naked Rei, but giant naked Kaworu instantly made him relax xD

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 07:36 PM
I liked how he freaked the fuck out over giant naked Rei, but giant naked Kaworu instantly made him relax xD

I feel like after seeing one giant naked being you'd kind of stop freaking out over the next one you saw.

Kelnish
October 10th, 2015, 07:38 PM
i pretty much always lowercase in the 7th

Pleb.

Seattle has tall buildings and pretty girls and rain.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 07:46 PM
I feel like after seeing one giant naked being you'd kind of stop freaking out over the next one you saw.

he went from "OHFUCKNOIMHAVINGAMENTALBREAKDOWN" upon seeing Giant naked Rei to "ahhhh its you, hold me my dear Kaworu" upon Giant naked Kaworu growing out of giant naked Rei.

Lace
October 10th, 2015, 07:50 PM
I like rain

Break
October 10th, 2015, 07:52 PM
I like rain

the sound of it or what?


im more of a wind-fan.

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 08:05 PM
Let me just say one completely unrelated thing

Le Corbusier fucking sucks.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 08:08 PM
Le what now?

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 08:09 PM
Le Crowman

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An architect

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 08:12 PM
Le Crowman

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An architect
What sucks about him?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 08:16 PM
Le Crowman

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An architect

Why, what kinda buildings did he design?

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 08:48 PM
I simultaneously love and hate when I see a movie and can't get a piece of music from it out of my head.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 09:00 PM
So, I'm reading the comments of this Yahoo article of an incident where some woman cuts her arm badly, is bleeding all over the place, her sister gets hysterical, calls 911 asking for a paramedic, sees a police officer doing his rounds through the neighborhood, screams blood murder for him to come over and help, he gets there probably thinking someone's being attacked, ends up getting charged by their dog (a boxer, I think), freaks out, shots at it to somehow miss and hit the woman's 4 yr old kid in the leg and shatter it. Lots of screaming later and a rush to emergency room, the kid comes out, well... not too shabby.

ANYWAY, what I was getting at by this was I really want to comment on the story in the comment section cause 95& of them are how cops are trigger happy pigs who deserve to die and get sued to hell blah blah and it kinda pisses me off, but, then, I don't want to comment because I know anything I say to bring light to those close-minded 95% will get bashed, ignored, etc. and it's not worth even a smidgen of my thoughts on the matter but... still... yeah... it kinda pisses me off seeing so many similar stories and the comments all being the same of how police officers are the scum of the earth and whatnot and knowing anything I say won't matter in the end.

I think at this point I'm just fuming my frustration--and repeating myself a bit.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:00 PM
I'm bored.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 09:01 PM
The original gundam is quite fun. jus' watched most of movie 2 w/ my dad

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:07 PM
The original gundam is quite fun. jus' watched most of movie 2 w/ my dad

I never saw the appeal of Gundam.

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Actually I never really liked Mecha anime in general. The list of mecha anime I've seen and can remember consists of Evangelion, Gurren Laggan, Big O, and most of the Macross series.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 09:11 PM
I don't see the appeal of flashy and over designed mecha but the original is a chaotic war story that happens to have robots.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:13 PM
I don't see the appeal of flashy and over designed mecha but the original is a chaotic war story that happens to have robots.

None of the reasons for me watching the shows I mentioned have to do with them involving mecha. In the case of Macross it was just out of amusement at it's use of 80s J-Pop.

Seika
October 10th, 2015, 09:15 PM
Its not really related to the climate, you dont use a hot water bottle as a means to warm you up, you use it when you're sick, especially when you got a stomachache.

Unless you're Seika and just cold i guess xD
So Break says. In my experience, the primary uses of hot water bottles are (most to least):

1) An attempt to alleviate period cramps. (A diverse spread of women, though it's by no means universal).
2) Keeping yourself warm as during winter nights. (Mostly old people).
3) Comforting yourself when sick. (Old and sick people, sick kids).

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:17 PM
I'm curious if the reason for me never having heard of hot water bottles before today is because maybe they aren't used in the US or if they just aren't used in my area.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 09:18 PM
Actually I never really liked Mecha anime in general. The list of mecha anime I've seen and can remember consists of Evangelion, Gurren Laggan, Big O, and most of the Macross series.

Flag, Eureka Seven, Gasaraki, Blue Gender, Gunbuster, Fullmetal Panic, Patlabor, Martian Successor Nadesico, Armored Trooper Votoms, Giant Robo, Bokurano, King of Braves GaoGaiGar, Rideback

There are tons of good mecha anime, primarily the ones from the early-mid 2000's and earlier. When mecha anime was at its height. Tons of crap ones too.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 09:18 PM
mecha universes always seem to start great but the robots evolve to stupid levels like CG R2 or what seems to be most of the gundam franchise

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:20 PM
Flag, Eureka Seven, Gasaraki, Blue Gender, Gunbuster, Fullmetal Panic, Patlabor, Martian Successor Nadesico, Armored Trooper Votoms, Giant Robo, Bokurano, King of Braves GaoGaiGar, Rideback

There are tons of good mecha anime, primarily the ones from the early-mid 2000's and earlier. When mecha anime was at its height. Tons of crap ones too.
Now that you mention it I also saw Full Metal Panic. Plus a bit of Eureka Seven.

black1blade
October 10th, 2015, 09:20 PM
patlabour seems really awesome and oshii directed the films.

Seika
October 10th, 2015, 09:22 PM
I'm curious if the reason for me never having heard of hot water bottles before today is because maybe they aren't used in the US or if they just aren't used in my area.
I don't know about actual prevalence, or area statistics, but they're not so obscure that Walmart won't sell them (http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/hot-water-bottles).

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:24 PM
Despite only bothering to watch Macross due to the novelty of the 80s J-Pop I actually vastly prefer Macross Plus. Despite the fact that it doesn't really connect much with the rest of the series. It's also the only one in the series that I enjoy unironically.

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I don't know about actual prevalence, or area statistics, but they're not so obscure that Walmart won't sell them (http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/hot-water-bottles).

There are very few things that Walmart doesn't sell. At least where I am. I was under the impression it was like that in most places. Of course I live in an area where you can walk in and buy firearms from Walmart so I dunno.

Vagrant
October 10th, 2015, 09:24 PM
Oh god there is no terror quite like the feeling of eating out and then feeling your insides liquify within minutes while you are still over 30 minutes' walk from home.

The fear is real.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:37 PM
Any of you ever seen Macross?

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 09:42 PM
Why, what kinda buildings did he design?

My faculty worships him as a deity of some sort. For all the wrong reasons. Not that there are many good things about him to begin with but there are a few.

Long story short my faculty needs a reality check.

Rocket Burrito
October 10th, 2015, 09:50 PM
My faculty worships him as a deity of some sort. For all the wrong reasons. Not that there are many good things about him to begin with but there are a few.

Long story short my faculty needs a reality check.
Ah, building design, I used to do interior design when I was 15, I was offered an apprenticeship at one point but I had to decline because school.

Vagrant
October 10th, 2015, 09:51 PM
My faculty worships him as a deity of some sort. For all the wrong reasons. Not that there are many good things about him to begin with but there are a few.

Long story short my faculty needs a reality check.

Wait you're into buoldings and design/architecture?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 09:52 PM
I never saw the appeal of Gundam.

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Actually I never really liked Mecha anime in general. The list of mecha anime I've seen and can remember consists of Evangelion, Gurren Laggan, Big O, and most of the Macross series.

Theres a ton of good mecha anime, but yeah none of them are good entirely FOR the mecha; the mecha are basically a bonus for the action segments. Except for the few series that really ARE good for the mechas like Gundam Build Fighters but thats because its a toy battle tournament series. though part of its goodness comes from the characters, and another part from the nostalgia over robots from older Gundam's beeing used. But yeah as much as people shit over Gundam for beeing "a toy commercial", the only one that really is meant mainly as one is Build Fighters and even that is pretty good.

Though i used to think like that too before i started getting majorly into Mecha but once i actually did, i saw the light.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 09:53 PM
Theres a ton of good mecha anime, but yeah none of them are good entirely FOR the mecha; the mecha are basically a bonus for the action segments. Except for the few series that really ARE good for the mechas like Gundam Build Fighters but thats because its a toy battle tournament series. though part of its goodness comes from the characters, and another part from the nostalgia over robots from older Gundam's beeing used. But yeah as much as people shit over Gundam for beeing "a toy commercial", the only one that really is meant mainly as one is Build Fighters and even that is pretty good.

Though i used to think like that too before i started getting majorly into Mecha but once i actually did, i saw the light.


What's your favorite Mecha anime?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 09:58 PM
Besides you dont get shit like this outside of mecha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NTMFraP2Y

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What's your favorite Mecha anime?

Oh dude i really couldnt decide. I REALLY like Gundam Unicorn though, but you cant really appreciate Unicorn without knowing the other UC timeline Gundams or at least the original, Zeta and ZZ.

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 10:01 PM
Wait you're into buoldings and design/architecture?

Yep. 4 years of specialized highschool + 3 years of architecture and all the love-hate that entails.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 10:01 PM
The best one that I've watched is probably Evangelion. Although in terms of pure enjoyment I'd say I probably enjoy Macross Plus more.

Peanut-007
October 10th, 2015, 10:18 PM
Besides you dont get shit like this outside of mecha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5NTMFraP2Y
That robot is fucking fabulous.

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Gunbuster is pretty fun to watch.

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 10:21 PM
I love the transformation in Star Driver. Binan Koukou rides the magical boy train too and it's awesome.

Well, the transformations at least, the anime itself is rather mediocre.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 10:24 PM
Theres a ton of good mecha anime, but yeah none of them are good entirely FOR the mecha; the mecha are basically a bonus for the action segments. Except for the few series that really ARE good for the mechas like Gundam Build Fighters but thats because its a toy battle tournament series. though part of its goodness comes from the characters, and another part from the nostalgia over robots from older Gundam's beeing used. But yeah as much as people shit over Gundam for beeing "a toy commercial", the only one that really is meant mainly as one is Build Fighters and even that is pretty good.

Though i used to think like that too before i started getting majorly into Mecha but once i actually did, i saw the light.

Far as I know Gundam Build Fighters was made for two things: Figmas and porn.

Oh, and, yeah, another Gundam Unicorn lover. Marida best.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 10:25 PM
Far as I know Gundam Build Fighters was made for two things: Figmas and porn.

Oh, and, yeah, another Gundam Unicorn lover. Marida best.
Ever seen Macross Plus?

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 10:26 PM
Ever seen Macross Plus?

Why do you ask?

Vagrant
October 10th, 2015, 10:26 PM
Yep. 4 years of specialized highschool + 3 years of architecture and all the love-hate that entails.

Aaaaaaah my gawd. I'm so fucking jealous. Architecture and residential drafting is what I intend to study whenever I finally return home from my travels.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 10:29 PM
Why do you ask?
Just curious. Macross Plus is the enjoyable entry in a mecha anime series I've seen. Although that one in particular is rather low on the mecha.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 10:30 PM
That robot is fucking fabulous.

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Gunbuster is pretty fun to watch.

Thats fucking Tauburn, yes, its the most fabulous mecha ever. And this clip doesnt even have its green and blue lightsabers.

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I love the transformation in Star Driver. Binan Koukou rides the magical boy train too and it's awesome.

Well, the transformations at least, the anime itself is rather mediocre.

Binan Koukou does it as parody, i do think its pretty funny all around. Well, its got some of the Gintama guys involved in it so that was to be expected. Kinda lost some of its omentum towards the end though.

Vagrant
October 10th, 2015, 10:32 PM
Macross Plus was p good. TTGL was a fun sort of return to oldschool mecha too so that was enjoyable too. Never liked any of the Gundams. Gunbuster and especially Diebuster were great.

Oh yeah I guess I liked Gundam Unicorn so there's that.

Eva was of course solid, and my god I loved all the politics going on in Gasaraki.

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Oh and that one with surfboard mecha was cool but a bit empty. Stylish though. Eureka Seven AO? I forget.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 10:32 PM
Far as I know Gundam Build Fighters was made for two things: Gunplas and porn.
probably not what it was made for, but definately what it resulted in yeah.
why'd you think Figma? There are no Gundam-related figmas.


Oh, and, yeah, another Gundam Unicorn lover. Marida best.

Marida Cruz! She was a best back when she was a clone loli in ZZ, and she's a best as a war victim adult in Unicorn. Shes just a best all around! To bad she had to die.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 10:34 PM
I particularly loved the soundtrack. Some of the best I've heard in an anime. As to be expected from Yoko Kanno.

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 10:35 PM
Binan Koukou does it as parody, i do think its pretty funny all around. Well, its got some of the Gintama guys involved in it so that was to be expected. Kinda lost some of its omentum towards the end though.
It is funny and has two of my recent husbandos(Akoya and Yufuin best bois) but the monster-of-the-week approach bores me quite easily so I gave up after three episodes. Might pick it up again sometime though.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 10:36 PM
Macross Plus was p good. TTGL was a fun sort of return to oldschool mecha too so that was enjoyable too. Never liked any of the Gundams. Gunbuster and especially Diebuster were great.

Huh you didnt like any of the Gundams? They're pretty diverse so thats a surprise. Though i always liked the mainline wardrama Gundams better than the more outlandish ones like that one super-racist super robot Gundam.


Oh yeah I guess I liked Gundam Unicorn so there's that.

im surprised at the amount of Unicorn fans that didnt know the former ones, even though it kinda relies on knowing them for the drama and worldbuilding and stuff.


Eva was of course solid, and my god I loved all the politics going on in Gasaraki.
Garasaki? I think i dont know that one.
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Oh and that one with surfboard mecha was cool but a bit empty. Stylish though. Eureka Seven AO? I forget.

AO was kinda okay i guess, but the original Eureka Seven was far better. Although it did need some time to get to the good bits and wouldve been fine if it had been just 2/3 as long as it was. The end bits of it were pretty amazing though.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 10:36 PM
It is funny and has two of my recent husbandos(Akoya and Yufuin best bois) but the monster-of-the-week approach bores me quite easily so I gave up after three episodes. Might pick it up again sometime though.
Who is your one true husbando?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 10:39 PM
It is funny and has two of my recent husbandos(Akoya and Yufuin best bois) but the monster-of-the-week approach bores me quite easily so I gave up after three episodes. Might pick it up again sometime though.

Well, the monster-of-the-week approach is just the standard mahou shoujo formula, even the ones that change it up and concentrate more on actual plot like Nanoha or Madoka at least start out with it, so its really no surprise that the mahou shoujo parody would do so, too. By the way speaking of which, Kore ha zombie desu ka!? is also a really great LN and anime which parodies the mahou shoujo genre by ramping the ridiculousness up as well as putting a guy in the frilly dress. And giving him a pink chainsaw. And making him a zombie.

Vagrant
October 10th, 2015, 10:39 PM
As a kid I loved Zoids and Voltron too because animal robots are fucking beast. I still have a soft spot for and ridiculous knowledge of the Zoids line.

One of my actual favourite mecha shows though is Dai-Guard. Just because it takes the "realistic mecha show" angle and runs with it so goddamn hard.

Snow
October 10th, 2015, 10:42 PM
Who is your one true husbando?
It's just male characters that I especially like for whatever reason, not husbandos in the full sense of the word. I don't think I have an absolute favorite.

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Well, the monster-of-the-week approach is just the standard mahou shoujo formula, even the ones that change it up and concentrate more on actual plot like Nanoha or Madoka at least start out with it, so its really no surprise that the mahou shoujo parody would do so, too. By the way speaking of which, Kore ha zombie desu ka!? is also a really great LN and anime which parodies the mahou shoujo genre by ramping the ridiculousness up as well as putting a guy in the frilly dress. And giving him a pink chainsaw. And making him a zombie.
I used to be okay with that formula as a kid. It might just be that I lost patience and discipline for it.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 10:49 PM
probably not what it was made for, but definately what it resulted in yeah.
why'd you think Figma? There are no Gundam-related figmas.


Marida Cruz! She was a best back when she was a clone loli in ZZ, and she's a best as a war victim adult in Unicorn. Shes just a best all around! To bad she had to die.

Yeah, what resulted. And I meant uh... models... not figmas. I though figma was synopsis with models. Guess not.

Marida was never in ZZ. Well, never seen, anyway. Mobile Suit Gundam IGLOO is another one I liked a lot, since it focused on the technology used in the war--and the main characters were very likable.

Speaking more of Marida... Best part of Gundam Unicorn, hands down. As for her

dying

Yeah. I was sad about it (and preferred how it happened in the novel and manga), so I made a fanfic where she survives. Best thing I ever wrote, in my opinion. Still haven't gotten around to finishing it though...

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Oh, and the soundtrack for Unicorn was pretty good. Even if the composer's tracks (across the board, in all the works' he's done) all sound (for the most part) the same to me, like Kajiura's or Sagisu's.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 10:57 PM
Yeah, what resulted. And I meant uh... models... not figmas. I though figma was synopsis with models. Guess not.

Gundam models are called Gunpla, short for Gundam plastic models; figma is a certain brand of poseable figures made by Max factory.


Marida was never in ZZ. Well, never seen, anyway. Mobile Suit Gundam IGLOO is another one I liked a lot, since it focused on the technology used in the war--and the main characters were very likable.

well yeah, but her original and one of the other clones she was one of, and all of them were pretty best in their own way.


Speaking more of Marida... Best part of Gundam Unicorn, hands down. As for her

dying

Yeah. I was sad about it (and preferred how it happened in the novel and manga), so I made a fanfic where she survives. Best thing I ever wrote, in my opinion. Still haven't gotten around to finishing it though...

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Yeah, it was rather sad.
I actually havent read the LN version of it, probably should. Speaking of Gundam manga/LN's that should get an adaption already, they really should adapt Gundam Crossbone, its one of the best classic Gundams that havent gotten an anime yet.
And they do have voice actors and stuff for the mainchars already anyways because they are in the crossover games.


Oh, and the soundtrack for Unicorn was pretty good. Even if the composer's tracks (across the board, in all the works' he's done) all sound (for the most part) the same to me, like Kajiura's or Sagisu's.

Indeed, i especially liked the ending song for movie 3.

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It's just male characters that I especially like for whatever reason, not husbandos in the full sense of the word. I don't think I have an absolute favorite.

Thats what husbando's/waifu's are; nobody (well not many) actually want to marry them in the literal sense of the word.
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I used to be okay with that formula as a kid. It might just be that I lost patience and discipline for it.

Well, as i said the more adult mahou shoujo series usually start out with the formular but abandon it once the actual plot kicks in, or at least it takes second seat. Nanoha's first season still had it a little more, but the movie remake cut out the redundant monsters of the week and the onsen episode and included new background stuff and remade fighting choreographies instead; i can recommend it a lot. The second season on the other hand didnt use the formula to begin with, and is pretty legendary in how great it is, though that also meant that the movie remake had to cut out some actual important subplots because there was nothing redundant they couldve cut in season 2.

Historia
October 10th, 2015, 11:08 PM
Thats what husbando's/waifu's are; nobody (well not many) actually want to marry them in the literal sense of the word.

Marida would make a good wife, in all honesty.

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And, ah... still trying to figure out how to structure my chapters for Minds of Steel. Do I want scene breaks within the chapters, or have every chapter be a new break? Considering I have four POVs all happening right after the other, chronologically, I have them as scene breaks, but it looks wrong to me. At least with this story.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 11:18 PM
Break, have you ever seen any of the Macross franchise? Seems like something you'd like.

Break
October 10th, 2015, 11:38 PM
Break, have you ever seen any of the Macross franchise? Seems like something you'd like.

yeah, but just some of them.

just Beamu
October 10th, 2015, 11:43 PM
yeah, but just some of them.
Which ones?

Break
October 10th, 2015, 11:53 PM
I really dont remember, its been years.

Peanut-007
October 11th, 2015, 12:02 AM
Cinnamon Rolls
http://i.imgur.com/JLdWbhi.jpg
and dog,
http://i.imgur.com/VRw0Uwk.jpg
life is good.

Kirby
October 11th, 2015, 12:04 AM
ugghhh i'm hungry and i can eat these cookies or clementines but i've already eaten a lot of them today, i don't wanna go through an entire box of cookies in like three days

SeiKeo
October 11th, 2015, 12:06 AM
ugghhh i'm hungry and i can eat these cookies or clementines but i've already eaten a lot of them today, i don't wanna go through an entire box of cookies in like three days
Eat the clementines.

Tobias
October 11th, 2015, 12:08 AM
Lee died to keep clementine from being eaten:(

Kirby
October 11th, 2015, 12:09 AM
when i eat too many clementines i get shang huo (idk what it is in english) and it's horrible

never again, clementine in moderation

just Beamu
October 11th, 2015, 12:10 AM
ugghhh i'm hungry and i can eat these cookies or clementines but i've already eaten a lot of them today, i don't wanna go through an entire box of cookies in like three days
I go through my grandmother's cookies way faster than that. I'm pretty sure it'll wind up giving me diabetes. It will be worth it.

Lace
October 11th, 2015, 12:10 AM
Lee :(