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Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 12:04 AM
Alright, 1 more for real this time, for a total of 12.

Bridge on the River Kwai

just kidding, dont watch that. it's kind of a Rocks-Fall-Everyone-Dies war movie.

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i unironically recommend Fiddler on the Roof but not everyone is a sucker for musicals like i am, so.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:06 AM
Musicals are FUN

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 12:07 AM
fiddler on the roof is not a fun musical

if you want a fun musical you watch Singin' in the Rain

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 12:10 AM
In other news it looks like the Battle Angel Alita Hollywood adaptation is currently going through who's going to play Alita.

As expected, a white/black-wash folks.

But, whoever they chose, please don't be Zendaya or Bella Thorne.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:10 AM
I like the fun kind okay

Or historical ones

More the historical ones actually

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 12:12 AM
Other than them, there's Rosa Salazar and Maika Monroe who've been revealed to be running for the spot. Apparently.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 12:14 AM
I like the fun kind okay

Or historical ones

More the historical ones actually

liking hamilton is not the same thing as liking historical musicals

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:17 AM
Who ever said Hamilton was the only one I've seen/listened to

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And as it turns out they're making a Jeb! musical

this is beautiful

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 12:21 AM
http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/LatestNews/News1/Actresses-Test-For-James-Cameron-Battle-Angel-Alit-7722.aspx

I can't but feel they're basing their choice on the actresses' eyebrows.

Whichever one has the strongest eyebrows, wins.

AsGryffynn
May 11th, 2016, 12:22 AM
Only reply to this post if you were alive when the USSR fell

Alive just in time to witness the glory of the Soyuz Sovetskhikh Socialiticheski Respublik before it's untimely demise...


fucking nobody here, the ussr died with trotsky

I am sure there's someone who is in his 60s around here...


I'm the same as FDR and Dick Cheney

oh no

Those two have literally nothing in common...


First two Godfather movies followed by Apocalypse Now

You into exploitation films too?


Shit taste. Next.

Knowing, followed by a Roland Emmerich marathon and then Halo Nightfall...


Your battery is running low. Please rekindle your Kindle.

That's not what it says but I wish that's what it said. Hire me Amazon. Thanks,

My Kindle Fire wouldn't charge, just like my laptop a few days ago (thankfully it's better now), so I now use it as a coaster and bought an iPad...

That said, the service is a godsend. I can buy my favorite books day one thanks to it (stupid iTunes won't let me buy them since I am not in the US of A)...


In other news it looks like the Battle Angel Alita Hollywood adaptation is currently going through who's going to play Alita.

As expected, a white/black-wash folks.

But, whoever they chose, please don't be Zendaya or Bella Thorne.

I am more surprised that is a thing... yet we still don't have a Percy Jackson anime. Proof there is no justice in the world...

How long until the film adaptation of Fate Stay Night with Dakota Fanning as Seiba?

Also, read the Trials of Apollo. Not bad, but not as good as Magnus Chase...

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 12:25 AM
I am sure there's someone who is in his 60s around here...

its me




How long until the film adaptation of Fate Stay Night with Dakota Fanning as Seiba?


you shut your mouth before some film producer stumbles across this and thinks its a good idea

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:27 AM
I am sure there's someone who is in his 60s around here...
They'd need to be in their seventies

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 12:29 AM
As expected, a white/black-wash folks.

Truly fucking epic meme.

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 12:32 AM
Knowing, followed by a Roland Emmerich marathon and then Halo Nightfall...

Uh... let's not.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:33 AM
its me
Still no Trotsky though



you shut your mouth before some film producer stumbles across this and thinks its a good idea
Not mainstream enough for live action

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 12:50 AM
Truly fucking epic meme.

Which, it's funny, because the main setting of Battle Angel is in the United States. Specifically, Kansas City, Missouri.

Where I live.

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Missouri, that is.

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You can't really pinpoint a ethnicity for the characters since one is never given, but it appears that Mars colonization has German and I want to say Chinese or Russian influences, so Alita for all we know might have German/Russian/Chinese/Japanese ancestry.

If I had to say, I'd bet on German/Japanese. Only put in the Japanese because her real name is Yoko.

But, then, she's not even from Earth (born on Mars, etc.), so... I dunno.

But, as I said, whoever they choose, please let it be someone at least somewhat close to how she looks (none of them look quite right) and who can act (which, again, all of them might be out).

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Ha. Well, though, German/Japanese descent... why am I not surprised?

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But, eh, whatever happens I know I'll still pay money to see it in theaters. GiTS too.

Laserman
May 11th, 2016, 01:03 AM
you shut your mouth before some film producer stumbles across this and thinks its a good idea
Seriously this. This isn't something to joke about.

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 01:16 AM
You can't find a topic that isn't good to joke about, tbh.

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 01:45 AM
http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/LatestNews/News1/Actresses-Test-For-James-Cameron-Battle-Angel-Alit-7722.aspx

I can't but feel they're basing their choice on the actresses' eyebrows.

Whichever one has the strongest eyebrows, wins.
I think Rosa looks the best but I dunno about voice. I'd rather have the one that acts the best; no pretty "I flunked drama school" actors for me kthxbye. (I'm not saying any of the three are but I don't remember if their acting was good/not. )

War of the eyebrows! The whole entire story told entirely by...wait for it... eyebrows! ~dun dun dun~
Seriously, it does kind of feel that way.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 01:48 AM
All attempts at live action anime and manga adaptations should burn

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 01:52 AM
How long until the film adaptation of Fate Stay Night with Dakota Fanning as Seiba?
No. Just No. I think almost any live action adaption other than JP would just fail us.

Though some might be amusing/interesting. German? French?

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 01:58 AM
Only reply to this post if you were alive when the USSR fell
wait, it fell?

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 02:00 AM
got pushed on the playground and fell right on its face

You
May 11th, 2016, 02:02 AM
Not mainstream enough for live action




you shut your mouth before some film producer stumbles across this and thinks its a good idea

Time to become a billionaire to fund this to spite everyone.

You
May 11th, 2016, 02:12 AM
either way Fate is still too flashy.
I think one of the far side routes for tsukihime would be more do-able.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 02:13 AM
i mean if You produces it i'd watch but otherwise

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since when do you think modern hollywood has good taste

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 02:13 AM
Don't kid yourself, even You can't make that a good thing

You
May 11th, 2016, 02:16 AM
btw live action Fate has already been done
by the vietnamese

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 02:17 AM
i dont think You would make it a good thing

i think You would make it a hilariously bad thing, thereby making it a good thing

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 02:20 AM
well, that's true

oh You

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 02:24 AM
since when do you think modern hollywood has good taste
Too true.

They'd butcher Fate. Hell, it would have be rated R if they left it true to the original source. Lets see how they'd explain the exchange of mana, etc etc etc? Nevermind all the scenes that would upset all the crazy feminists and the other noise makers. They'd probably nerf it to PG-13 or even PG. O:

Frostyvale
May 11th, 2016, 02:36 AM
http://i.imgur.com/9KO70FM.gif

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 02:38 AM
Charlotte was a mistake

black1blade
May 11th, 2016, 02:43 AM
I just remembered how amazing the first episode was though, thanks guys XD.

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 02:44 AM
the ending tho

AsGryffynn
May 11th, 2016, 02:59 AM
No. Just No. I think almost any live action adaption other than JP would just fail us.

Though some might be amusing/interesting. German? French?

Saber isn't Japanese... That said, Shirou and Rin (or at least Rin) should remain Japanese. Shirou might not be ethnically Japanese (a headcanon of mine is that he isn't).

Alternatively, make it an adaptation rather than a live action version, change setting to the US, remove sex scenes (because at least in Heaven's Feel, they were NOT necessary) and leave everything else as it is. Gore, violence, fake priest and all that crap...

Plus I want Alexandra Daddario as Rider just for the sake of the Riordan jokes...

black1blade
May 11th, 2016, 03:02 AM
Super powered action looks pretty shit in everything that isn't a AAA comic book movie though.

AsGryffynn
May 11th, 2016, 03:03 AM
Super powered action looks pretty shit in everything that isn't a AAA comic book movie though.

Well, we're implying it'd be a AAA Marvel styled movie...

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 03:15 AM
Saber isn't Japanese... That said, Shirou and Rin (or at least Rin) should remain Japanese. Shirou might not be ethnically Japanese (a headcanon of mine is that he isn't).


personally i think they're both of mixed descent. like i think if they made a live action they should go for japanese actors but mixed would be better? because anime rules aside, one is blue eyed and the other is a ginger, so,

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 03:29 AM
I always find religious people using the bible to try to prove that god exists to atheists.

It's the most hilarious thing.

Frostyvale
May 11th, 2016, 03:34 AM
It's something that one needn't expose oneself to.

You
May 11th, 2016, 03:35 AM
because anime rules aside, one is blue eyed and the other is a ginger, so,
well Rin is 1/4 something probably finnish
Shirou is a japanese ginger so errr.
tough finding people

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Super powered action looks pretty shit in everything that isn't a AAA comic book movie though.
even then...

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 03:37 AM
Saber isn't Japanese... That said, Shirou and Rin (or at least Rin) should remain Japanese. Shirou might not be ethnically Japanese (a headcanon of mine is that he isn't).
When was I talking about ethnicity of the characters? I was referring to the country that does the adaption.

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 03:38 AM
Doesn't that make it one and the same though?

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 03:42 AM
Well, we're implying it'd be a AAA Marvel styled movie...
Even Marvel is starting to lose its oomph. Its been overloading us with too much that it is starting to lose some of its appeal. DC too with its million (lets beat marvel with quantity) tv shows.

On a side note, I wonder which language "oomph" was derived from. Was it purely a sound effect word or does it have some further background.

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 03:43 AM
DC fucked up hard with Arrow and B VS S, they're doooooomed.

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 03:45 AM
Doesn't that make it one and the same though?
Not necessarily. Largely depends on the variety of peeps in said country. Japan could (in theory) find a half or Caucasian girl for Saber. I doubt it but...

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 03:46 AM
They could cast a Japanese Brazilian to play Archer.

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 03:47 AM
DC fucked up hard with Arrow and B VS S, they're doooooomed.
I work in a Toy department and there's a figure of Batman in his future costume. I kept thinking (prior to the movie and after) that it looked like Batman cosplaying Gambit. It has forever become the Batman Gambit figure in my mind.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 03:50 AM
Shirou is a japanese ginger so errr.


hair dye

Ivan The Mouse
May 11th, 2016, 04:29 AM
hair dye

Shirou dyes his hair?! He's rebellious! A delinquent! A bad, bad boy!

AsGryffynn
May 11th, 2016, 05:08 AM
personally i think they're both of mixed descent. like i think if they made a live action they should go for japanese actors but mixed would be better? because anime rules aside, one is blue eyed and the other is a ginger, so,

I could see Hayley Kiyoko or Brenda Song doing a convincing Rin. Shirou is the problematic one...


When was I talking about ethnicity of the characters? I was referring to the country that does the adaption.

The US or the UK or even Canada and South Africa are kilometers ahead of Japan when it comes to media...

Of course, then there's Neil Blomkamp...


Even Marvel is starting to lose its oomph. Its been overloading us with too much that it is starting to lose some of its appeal. DC too with its million (lets beat marvel with quantity) tv shows.

On a side note, I wonder which language "oomph" was derived from. Was it purely a sound effect word or does it have some further background.

That's because Disney's in charge now, and TV shows are doomed to be garbage unless they are sitcoms...

English. It's a stand up thing... Sort off...


hair dye

He dyed his hair when he was five years old?

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 05:09 AM
The actor playing him can dye his hair,

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 05:25 AM
The actor playing him can dye his hair,

^

Arashi_Leonhart
May 11th, 2016, 06:20 AM
Live action Kenshin was fine with a full Japanese actor.

It wouldn't surprise me if Shirou had some foreign ancestry though, since they talk about right off the bat in FSN how there is a larger than average foreign-descended population in Fuyuki and Nasu alludes to fallen magi families and all. Just like fan theory of Kenshin having some distant Portuguese or Ainu ancestry to account for his hair.

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 06:35 AM
I love how killing everyone in a mission gets you no notoriety in Blood Money. Sniper Rifle too OP.

AsGryffynn
May 11th, 2016, 06:41 AM
Live action Kenshin was fine with a full Japanese actor.

It wouldn't surprise me if Shirou had some foreign ancestry though, since they talk about right off the bat in FSN how there is a larger than average foreign-descended population in Fuyuki and Nasu alludes to fallen magi families and all. Just like fan theory of Kenshin having some distant Portuguese or Ainu ancestry to account for his hair.

I can buy the Asian thing, but that doesn't means it has to be produced in Japan and never gain notoriety. I for one, would welcome a movie. The PJO films were a disservice to the characters and community, but a lot of people read the books thanks to it and our fandom grew afterwards, so a FSN movie sounds like a nice thing to do if we want western styled novelizations of Fate/Zero, localizations of the games and VNs and FGO in English...

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 06:48 AM
the problem is, it wouldn't work quite the same way. with english fandoms being made into english movies by english studios, all it does is draw attention to the existing fandom. in this case, though, there's all sorts of licensing and translation and programming people that would have to be involved and it's a lot different getting those things to happen than just having the existence of a movie point in the direction of the original thing.

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 07:04 AM
The more I look at the problems of the world the more I'm glad I avoided it all for as long as I have.

Sunara
May 11th, 2016, 07:12 AM
He dyed his hair when he was five years old?
You'd be surprised at the number of young children with dyed hair here. I seriously question their parent's judgements.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 07:15 AM
Shirou had a bit bigger parenting problems than fashion disasters though

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 07:18 AM
fate is known for its A+ parenting

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whoops, marm got it first

GhostDIGIT
May 11th, 2016, 07:19 AM
heroz foreverz

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 07:21 AM
whoops, marm got it first
yw

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 07:38 AM
Too true.

They'd butcher Fate. Hell, it would have be rated R if they left it true to the original source. Lets see how they'd explain the exchange of mana, etc etc etc? Nevermind all the scenes that would upset all the crazy feminists and the other noise makers. They'd probably nerf it to PG-13 or even PG. O:

Yeah cause when I think of what Hollywood would do to my animes, I think "SJWs will ruin the high quality sex magic lore!!!!!!1!!!!"

Kirby
May 11th, 2016, 07:42 AM
Would you watch a live action Fate, if Saber was cast as black and male?

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 07:42 AM
No, in fact you're only worried about Actual Whitewashing.
Because that is an actual problem, yes, and not something that, ya know, Type Moon themselves have already done to FSN.

E: but please, make your pro-whitewashing case I'm sure that'll definitely be a hoot.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 07:44 AM
Would you watch a live action Fate, if Saber was cast as black and male?

this might prove problematic depending on the route

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 07:49 AM
this might prove problematic depending on the route
boys shouldn't fight

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 07:56 AM
I'm worried, worried I tell you, about american film industry not employing enough natural born Asian citizens with distinctively Asian facial features. It breaks my immersion and it sends a bad signal. I just know it, I'll be there watching the movie, trying to have fun and then suddenly "ugh why does it have to be scarjo, why can't anyone think of the Implications".

I'm going to blow your fucking mind Italy: we have Asians. Of all stripes! They live right here, in America! We call them Asian-Americans, and a bunch of them can even act!

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You are actually defending one of Hollywood's most well known ways of shutting out minority actors, this is a thing you are doing.

They were going to digitally give her yellowface for fuck's sake, that is unreal.

Kirby
May 11th, 2016, 07:58 AM
I'm not invested in this and wouldn't watch it either way but the digital yellowface really does sound really absurd

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 07:59 AM
I'm not invested in this and wouldn't watch it either way but the digital yellowface really does sound really absurd

The part that really gets me is that the only reason they didn't do it is because the effect didn't work, not because someone said "WHAT THE SHIT"

Kirby
May 11th, 2016, 08:00 AM
I want to see a studio try do digital blackface.

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 08:00 AM
It is incredibly offensively racist to suggest shutting skilled actors and actresses from certain roles because they don't match the ethnicity of the character in the source material.

It's current year, how can you hold this bigoted, backwards opinion, Rodyle?

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:03 AM
I know you aren't actually making a good faith argument here but what the fuck ever: changing a character's race to the majority has rather different connotations than changing it to a minority ala the proposed notion of making Idris Elba the next James Bond (this would own), friend Spinach.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 08:04 AM
how about we not make light of the fact that hollywood would have us all believe that White Actors Just Happen To Be The Best Person Who Auditioned For The Role At An Overwhelming And Statistically Extremely Unlikely Rate

E:
I know you aren't actually making a good faith argument here but what the fuck ever
also this

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:06 AM
In fact it turns out that when you let Idris Elba be in things, he is always the best part of those things.

E: yes hello again Italy please see what Glow said I am tired of trying to make you get this

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:09 AM
I like Scarlett. She was good in LiT.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:10 AM
the Asian culture
the what?

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:12 AM
I like Scarlett. She was good in LiT.

Scarlet is good yes

Maybe she didn't need to be Makoto Kusanagi


Lol amazing, not that you're a particularly good troll, but that you keep having to call me Italy when the subject is Offended Racial Sensibilities is fucking hilarious.
I wonder if perhaps there's a reason for that

Nah, couldn't be

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:13 AM
how about we not make light of the fact that hollywood would have us all believe that White Actors Just Happen To Be The Best Person Who Auditioned For The Role At An Overwhelming And Statistically Extremely Unlikely Rate
I think in many cases they're quite upfront that in their experience white actors are more marketable.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:20 AM
Putting aside the real problem of minority actors being on the sidelines (not because it's not important), Motoko is, well, an android. She can look like whatever.

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 08:20 AM
Only if it's Snoop Dogg

Flava Flav as Gilgamesh.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:20 AM
Only if it's Snoop Dogg

He's Snoop Lion now so obv he's getting prepped for the role.

Kirby
May 11th, 2016, 08:21 AM
Isn't he back to dog again

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 08:22 AM
I think in many cases they're quite upfront that in their experience white actors are more marketable.

and yet the general argument of people supporting this decision is exactly the thing i have stated

but to your point, it's not so much their experience that white actors are more marketable but rather a cultural narrative of such which is rather a different thing and underscores the prioritization of white audiences above all others but whatever



Putting aside the real problem of minority actors being on the sidelines (not because it's not important), Motoko is, well, an android. She can look like whatever.

this is actually extremely relevant to the topic at hand because any time a non-human character enters the picture, alien or robot or otherwise, this exact justification is used to default them to white

"well they aren't human so it doesn't really matter what race they get cast as"

when in fact, this kind of casting contributes to and reinforces "white" as some kind of norm or base ethnicity

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:22 AM
Isn't he back to dog again

My bad.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:22 AM
Putting aside the real problem of minority actors being on the sidelines, Motoko is, well, an android. She can look like whatever.
Yes she's a brain in a jar, so she can be.

But if we can glance over again to the "they wanted to give her digital yellowface" factoid, I think we can conclude that the intention was not to explore the post-racial possibilities of full body cyborgs.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:22 AM
Putting aside the real problem of minority actors being on the sidelines (not because it's not important), Motoko is, well, an android. She can look like whatever.
except white cis male

P.S. Idris Elba would be a great JB.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:24 AM
except white cis male

P.S. Idris Elba would be a great JB.

Given a week to prep, Idris Elba would be a great Makoto Kusanagi.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:25 AM
but to your point, it's not so much their experience that white actors are more marketable but rather a cultural narrative of such which is rather a different thing and underscores the prioritization of white audiences above all others but whatever
I'm not convinced that you know what happens in studio executive meetings. That being said I admit that I apply charity principle to these things until I have proof that directly contradicts my interpretations.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:27 AM
Yes she's a brain in a jar, so she can be.

But if we can glance over again to the "they wanted to give her digital yellowface" factoid, I think we can conclude that the intention was not to explore the post-racial possibilities of full body cyborgs.
The yellowface thing is bad and ridiculous, yeah. But dissing the choice of actress solely based on her not fitting what they consider to be the character's observable ethnicity (as I've seen some people do) doesn't hold up in this particular case.

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 08:28 AM
I know you aren't actually making a good faith argument here but what the fuck ever: changing a character's race to the majority has rather different connotations than changing it to a minority ala the proposed notion of making Idris Elba the next James Bond (this would own), friend Spinach.

It's Not Racism If It's Going The Other Way.txt

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:31 AM
The yellowface thing is bad and ridiculous, yeah. But dissing the choice of actress solely based on her not fitting what they consider to be the character's observable ethnicity (as I've seen some people do) doesn't hold up in this particular case.


I mean with Makoto you could theoretically do something crazy like put ScarJo in all the marketing, then have her get wrecked 10 minutes in and switch her out with an an Asian actress (or Idris Elba).

There is no chance in hell they're doing that but you know.

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 08:32 AM
I mean with Makoto you could theoretically do something crazy like put ScarJo in all the marketing, then have her get wrecked 10 minutes in and switch her out with an an Asian actress (or Idris Elba).

There is no chance in hell they're doing that but you know.

Or maybe have her switch bodies?

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:33 AM
Or maybe have her switch bodies?

You mean what I just said?

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:33 AM
I mean with Makoto you could theoretically do something crazy like put ScarJo in all the marketing, then have her get wrecked 10 minutes in and switch her out with an an Asian actress (or Idris Elba).

There is no chance in hell they're doing that but you know.
Poor Sean Bean.

Dullahan
May 11th, 2016, 08:33 AM
I mean with Makoto

Motoko

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 08:33 AM
You mean what I just said?

Without getting wrecked.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:35 AM
Without getting wrecked.

Ah, fair.

Leftovers
May 11th, 2016, 08:37 AM
IDK how wanting the character who literally can look like whatever she wants and whose appearance doesn't even hint towards an ethnicity beyond that majestic nose to be played by an Asian actress at all costs just because her name is Japanese works in this context. Or, to generalise, the urge to make her look Asian in general, tyvm artificial yellowface.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:37 AM
Poor Sean Bean.
Gondorians should look more Mediterranean btw

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:38 AM
this is actually extremely relevant to the topic at hand because any time a non-human character enters the picture, alien or robot or otherwise, this exact justification is used to default them to white

"well they aren't human so it doesn't really matter what race they get cast as"

when in fact, this kind of casting contributes to and reinforces "white" as some kind of norm or base ethnicity
I was talking in-universe, and how in the world of liberal body switching what we see as physical differences between ethnicities doesn't really work the same way anymore.

The sad hard meta truth of the matter is that white people make up the majority of Hollywood A-list actors atm, due to very real real life issues that are often much more complicated than 'who is default race'.

Leftovers
May 11th, 2016, 08:38 AM
Why even make it a matter of racial politics and not just of who fits best.

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cast Batou itt

I3uster
May 11th, 2016, 08:38 AM
should just honestly fully americanize it

dont call her motoko

marian blade

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 08:41 AM
You know, this is a nice discussion and all, but what does it matter when the movie is probably going to be shit regardless of who they would've picked for the lead role.

If anything, I'm more interested in how they'll bring the GiTS world to life than the supposed misrepresentation of its characters.

Dullahan
May 11th, 2016, 08:41 AM
jane excalibur

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:41 AM
Why even make it a matter of racial politics and not just of who fits best.
Because as Glow already said that is literally the goto excuse to make everyone white.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:41 AM
Why even make it a matter of racial politics and not just of who fits best.
Because there are many people who have a reason to think that this is a matter of racial politics.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:42 AM
You know, this is a nice discussion and all, but what does it matter when the movie is probably going to be shit regardless of who they would've picked for the lead role.

If anything, I'm more interested in how they'll bring the GiTS world to life than the supposed misrepresentation of its characters.
Well it's discussion and discussion is good because it makes people think and talk and not think about the heat death of the universe and black holes.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:46 AM
cast Batou itt
Steven Seagal obv.

I3uster
May 11th, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jean Reno

Dullahan
May 11th, 2016, 08:48 AM
The Rock

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 08:48 AM
Marvin the Martian

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 08:49 AM
Steven Seagal obv.

I second this.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 08:49 AM
oh look we missed our chance
http://i.imgur.com/yiUZZpT.png

Dullahan
May 11th, 2016, 08:50 AM
he looks too young to be batou

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 08:50 AM
he looks too young to be batou

I guess he must have just been the best one to apply!

Leftovers
May 11th, 2016, 08:54 AM
physical likeness without the constraint of cultural setting is truly a discursive labyrinth

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also, dolph lundgren

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 08:57 AM
I was talking in-universe, and how in the world of liberal body switching what we see as physical differences between ethnicities doesn't really work the same way anymore.

The sad hard meta truth of the matter is that white people make up the majority of Hollywood A-list actors atm, due to very real real life issues that are often much more complicated than 'who is default race'.

I know you were talking in-universe, but the sadder truth of it is that 'who is default race' is in fact just the culmination of, as you said, issues that are much more complicated. Media, especially, acts to both create and reflect culture and lack of representation in substantial and important speaking roles, rather than just supporting or minor parts, creates a loop in society in which white people are regarded as generally more capable/trustworthy/intelligent/talented, thereby being given better positions, which means your top people (who are making decisions about who are desirable employees etc) are usually white, which means white people are generally regarded as more capable/trustworthy/intelligent/talented, and so on and so forth.

like, you're right, it's a lot more complex, but nothing in society is disconnected from the other issues of society.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 09:00 AM
Hopefully all these issues will become obsolete when we all intermix and become World Race.

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 09:02 AM
Found a genderswapped Waver.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 09:11 AM
she looks like she gives too much of a shit to be waver

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 09:23 AM
Media, especially, acts to both create and reflect culture and lack of representation in substantial and important speaking roles, rather than just supporting or minor parts, creates a loop in society in which white people are regarded as generally more capable/trustworthy/intelligent/talented, thereby being given better positions,
The loop is created by psychology more than culture imo. You can't completely overcome visual otherness by high moral principles and probably not empathy as well. If you've grown up in a homogeneous community (and maybe even if not), judging by visual differences will probably seep into your thinking whether you want it or not.

black1blade
May 11th, 2016, 09:23 AM
The movie is probably going to suck though. Hope it doesn't but I'm going to have very low expectations and maybe I can be pleasantly surprised.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 09:28 AM
The loop is created by psychology more than culture imo. You can't completely overcome visual otherness by high moral principles and probably not empathy as well. If you've grown up in a homogeneous community (and maybe even if not), judging by visual differences will probably seep into your thinking whether you want it or not.
This is also true.

Look I know it's terrible but seeing an actual black person irl was a spectacle when we were kids.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 09:28 AM
The loop is created by psychology more than culture imo. You can't completely overcome visual otherness by high moral principles and probably not empathy as well. If you've grown up in a homogeneous community (and maybe even if not), judging by visual differences will probably seep into your thinking whether you want it or not.

except that the USA isn't really that homogeneous except by artificial reinforcment

also culture and psychology are not separate entities, and the more you see something, especially in something so pervasive as entertainment and general media, the more normalized it becomes

there's lots of academic research on this stuff but unfortunately i no longer have access to the academic databases i once did

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 09:30 AM
I didn't see a black person until I was like 9

asterism42
May 11th, 2016, 09:31 AM
It's Not Racism If It's Going The Other Way.txt
Privilege

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 09:32 AM
The loop is created by psychology more than culture imo. You can't completely overcome visual otherness by high moral principles and probably not empathy as well. If you've grown up in a homogeneous community (and maybe even if not), judging by visual differences will probably seep into your thinking whether you want it or not.
what

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 09:33 AM
Maybe grant some credence to the person with actual academic knowledge on the subject I.E. Glow

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Privilege

Yes actually

Frostyvale
May 11th, 2016, 09:33 AM
I was living in a sea of chinese and malays so i saw black people all the time

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 09:34 AM
she looks like she gives too much of a shit to be waver

729656791286480900

I dunno.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 09:35 AM
Imo she looks like she gives even fewer shits than guy Waver.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 09:35 AM
I dunno.

posture isnt cranky enough imo

mAc Chaos
May 11th, 2016, 09:39 AM
This is also true.

Look I know it's terrible but seeing an actual black person irl was a spectacle when we were kids.

Interesting. A mix of everyone was just everyday life where I was.

I like being Persian though. No one world race for me.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 09:42 AM
except that the USA isn't really that homogeneous except by artificial reinforcment
How well-off are these non-homogeneous neighbourhoods? If not very, the "community" reaches no further than the nuclear family itself.

also culture and psychology are not separate entities, and the more you see something, especially in something so pervasive as entertainment and general media, the more normalized it becomes
I'm conjecturing about what creates it not how it translates from the personal to social experience. In my experience a metric ton social issue proselytizers are knee-deep in racial thinking themselves.

I3uster
May 11th, 2016, 09:42 AM
EY IRAN EY MARZ E PORGOHAR

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 09:43 AM
Interesting. A mix of everyone was just everyday life where I was.

I like being Persian though. No one world race for me.
Well a mix of everyone was everyday life where I was too. It's just that the differences were not so obvious and physical.

And one world race will happen whether we like it or not when our liberated descendants get hit by the loooove bug.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 09:43 AM
Maybe grant some credence to the person with actual academic knowledge on the subject I.E. Glow
I grant credence to arguments not people.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 09:47 AM
How well-off are these non-homogeneous neighbourhoods? If not very, the "community" reaches no further than the nuclear family itself.

the country, as a whole, is not that homogenous except by artificial reinforcement, which i have stated. artificial reinforcement comes in a lot of varieties.


I'm conjecturing about what creates it not how it translates from the personal to social experience. In my experience a metric ton social issue proselytizers are knee-deep in racial thinking themselves.

and i'm telling you culture works to create itself, by informing psychology from the ground up. there is a reason that new generations are more accepting of certain behaviors and associations than older generations, and that reason is, fundamentally, exposure.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 09:47 AM
Maybe grant some credence to the arguments of the person with actual acade

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 09:47 AM
I just remembered when a younger student in primary made up a story about how I'm half Chinese or something because of my eye shape. Kids...

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 09:49 AM
Maybe grant some credence to the arguments of the person with actual acade
A claim is only one part of an argument.

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 09:52 AM
And now I'm imagining a female Waver in the Third Holy Grail War.

Instead of Iskander, her Servant is Cynane, his half-sister.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 09:56 AM
koto & rodyle: appreciate the support but while i love my field i accepted long ago that literally nobody gives a shit about it

marm: its 10am here and i literally don't care enough about convincing you of anything to dig up my textbooks to give you a brief on a handful of subjects that would be required as preface to digging up pdfs of research that dont require subscription to comm studies journals to view

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 09:58 AM
and i'm telling you culture works to create itself, by informing psychology from the ground up. there is a reason that new generations are more accepting of certain behaviors and associations than older generations, and that reason is, fundamentally, exposure.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that when the kid asks "Mommy why does that boy/girl look different?", that's not exactly influenced by culture.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 09:59 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that when the kid asks "Mommy why does that boy/girl look different?", that's not exactly influenced by culture.
That is definitely influenced by culture.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:03 AM
That is definitely influenced by culture.
almost exclusively so in fact

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:05 AM
Maybe the initial response depends on what sort of environment a child grows up in. It would def be easier to explain why someone looks different than them to a child, or not necessary to explain at all, if said child was surrounded by a racially diverse populace from early on. Which is not always the case.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:09 AM
Which wouldn't change the initial visual constraint posed by the nuclear family's composition
this isn't a thing, or rather, isn't inherently

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 10:09 AM
the nuclear family's composition,
It's Culture

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 10:12 AM
I imagine Cynane looking something like this:

http://66.media.tumblr.com/374afee07f4db5902e9504e453723725/tumblr_o39talqNcw1s7s6mlo1_1280.jpg

black1blade
May 11th, 2016, 10:12 AM
Growing up in the country and pretty much everyone is white yeah but my little bro has a black friend and he's pretty cool (as cool as a 12 year old naruto kid can be). Apparently all the little shits in my old, middle class village primary school where being racist and shit to him so he moved to the school in town. Kids moving because bullying in primary is quite common but it is pretty disgusting in that particular situation.

You
May 11th, 2016, 10:18 AM
Would you watch a live action Fate, if Saber was cast as black and male?
That'd be my only reason to watch it.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 10:21 AM
You must have a really good argument for why a kid's mental form isn't ab origine predominantly formed by his nuclear family.
Or looking in the mirror.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 10:22 AM
You must have a really good argument for why a kid's mental form isn't ab origine predominantly formed by his nuclear family.
I'm saying the concept of a nuclear family is itself cultural

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:22 AM
I had the hardest time as a child understanding that everyone not in my immediate family WASN'T a space alien boy I tell you what

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 10:24 AM
Believe it.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:28 AM
accepting that everything social is a construct also means that we can venture to suggest that not all of those constructs are good just because we've had them for awhile

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:29 AM
But alternatives to nuclear family are...I dunno.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 10:29 AM
But alternatives to nuclear family are...I dunno.

everywhere tbh

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:31 AM
But alternatives to nuclear family are...I dunno.
I was not referring to the nuclear family but as Glow says yes those are also everywhere, unless you think single parents are a myth

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:31 AM
I mean communes and the like, not single or same sex parent families.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:32 AM
Yeah Rodyle, you're indeed so special that your mental growth until around the age of 5 wasn't primarily dictated by your parents
this wasn't what I, or indeed anyone, was suggesting, as you are aware

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 10:32 AM
I'm not even trying to go into Social Constructs I'm just saying extended families and such are also a thing and that saying kids aren't influenced by culture they're just influenced by their family structure which varies by culture isn't really a convincing argument

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:34 AM
It's clearly time to take a few pages from the Khmer Rouge book, whatever failings they had at the time were probably environmental.
falling back to talking about dictatorial regimes in a conversation unrelated to them is always a good sign for your argument

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:36 AM
And would you perhaps believe that a newborn's development, raised by a single parent, is substantially less (or even more) dependant on that parent's upbringing than one raised by a couple?
I'm saying this is an irrelevant point (for whatever you think you are arguing, if anything it actually underlines our position) because that parent is already a product of the wider culture so to say that culture has no effect on children is, again, fallacious

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 10:37 AM
you guys realize this is where media representation circles back into this conversation, right

because children under the age of five are indeed exposed to newspapers, print ads, the people on the cereal box, the news, their little pre-school shows, bedtime storybooks, etc?

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:39 AM
The stuff I was exposed to under the age of five mostly had tiny animals in it.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apologies, when you brought out that you had to realise that the others were not space aliens I thought we had just deregulated the strawmanning.
Mockery is an acceptable response to someone refusing to engage valid points, imo

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 10:39 AM
What kinda moms are these hiding their babies from all outsiders instead of bringing them together with their friends' babies for one big jamboree all the time anyway. this is not my experience of moms

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 10:40 AM
Cherry pie sure is yummy

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:40 AM
What kinda moms are these hiding their babies from all outsiders instead of bringing them together with their friends' babies for one big jamboree all the time anyway. this is not my experience of moms
baby comparison is, itself, a cultural construct

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:41 AM
the park debut

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And basically all those media aren't automatically available to him, and in a more or less explicit way are conditional on his parents' decisions.
who are

say it with me now boys and girls

products of their culture

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 10:41 AM
I'm construct??

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:43 AM
Which brings us back to Kusanagi, whose body is an actual Construct.

Structured and orderly discussion, RT be thine name.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:43 AM
and of course this is all underpinned by the fact we (generally) no longer live in anything approximating isolated local culture and are now plugged in nearly 24/7 to a global media/communications nightmare


I'm construct??
it's true

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 10:43 AM
And basically all those media aren't automatically available to him, and in a more or less explicit way are conditional on his parents' decisions.

in most places i've been to, people don't sequester their babies away in their house all day with strictly regulated media intake

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 10:46 AM
in most places i've been to, people don't sequester their babies away in their house all day with strictly regulated media intake
Well if you asked my grandma...

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But seriously, what can babies do other than lounge around and eat and sleep?

asterism42
May 11th, 2016, 10:47 AM
That'd be my only reason to watch it.
TBH I don't like Fate because Saber is a cute grill. I like it in spite of that fact.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:50 AM
I'm sure that, if I keep pressing further, this entire line of reasoning will produce from you something more than the wizard-did-it of "but, culture".

I'm Shirou, I'll keep pursuing this ideal, because even if it doesn't exist, it's still beautiful.
I mean I can't help it if you refuse to recognize that the argument exists just to reinforce your own vague point.

Children do not, inherently, think of other races (or gay people, or whatever particular subdivision of person you care to mention) as Other, this is implanted by parents who are in turn mimicking ideas implanted by the wider cultural sphere.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 10:55 AM
my point is that increased diversity in media in all its various forms is itself exposure, because babies go out with their parents to places like the park, the supermarket, the doctor's office, the library, etc etc etc, where there are billboards and pamphlets and window ads and a million other things where there is an opportunity to see a face, and the more diversity in those faces, the greater the amount of normalization of diversity occurs.

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also i'm going to bed now so i'm officially leaving this discussion, goodnight RT

Lace
May 11th, 2016, 10:57 AM
have a good night at 5 pm

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anyways rodyle is right. pre-order dangerous woman by ariana grande

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 10:59 AM
I don't know who ariana grande is

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 10:59 AM
anyways rodyle is right

Some things shouldn't be said.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:00 AM
and some things should be said often

Lace
May 11th, 2016, 11:00 AM
http://ww2.kqed.org/pop/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/11/1s01ty.gif

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:00 AM
I'm a big fan of "read Kakukaku Shikajika" myself

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holy jesus someone give that woman a real hairstyle

SeiKeo
May 11th, 2016, 11:02 AM
I'd just like to thank Rodyle for defending my racial honor while I was asleep, it's very valiant of him.

Lace
May 11th, 2016, 11:02 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/QXAEGJ2GdBoGc/giphy.gif

the gay icon we need & deserve

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:03 AM
I'd just like to thank Rodyle for defending my racial honor while I was asleep, it's very valiant of him.
gj pretending women don't exist Leo

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:05 AM
Growing up in a racially homogeneous country made me too dumb for his convo, sorry.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:10 AM
Because you still haven't given an actual solution or remedy to The Issue
so did you just gloss over the 40 or so times when Glow and I both stressed why diverse casting is important or

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:16 AM
Wasn't that what the entire conversation was about in the first place?

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:16 AM
This is also true.

Look I know it's terrible but seeing an actual black person irl was a spectacle when we were kids.
How young were you and did you at least not awkwardly point

Cruor
May 11th, 2016, 11:17 AM
mAc good(?) news otouto's last work day is the 22nd meaning no need to think about this week

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:18 AM
How young were you and did you at least not awkwardly point

I don't know. We weren't rude about it it was just an uncommon sight.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:19 AM
Wasn't that what the entire conversation was about in the first place?

That's what I thought but Bridge's mind is a mysterious thing.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:19 AM
I'll easily admit I don't see an immediate correlation between a newborn's mental development and the diverse casting of a movie targeted at YAs and adults, or at least not one strong enough to make it worthwhile.
Presumably this is about trends in media in general and not just GITS.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:20 AM
I don't know. We weren't rude about it it was just an uncommon sight.
According to my mother her preschool black and white students start feeling each other's hair

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 11:22 AM
Wasn't that what the entire conversation was about in the first place?
actually Gaybeamu is at fault

All attempts at live action anime and manga adaptations should burn

mAc Chaos
May 11th, 2016, 11:22 AM
mAc good(?) news otouto's last work day is the 22nd meaning no need to think about this week
Awesome. So sometime next week?

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:23 AM
Presumably this is about trends in media in general and not just GITS.

GitS is more an object example of how, yes, Hollywood casting operations can STILL be that fucked

Which makes the stalwart defense of it curious to say the least

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:25 AM
actually Gaybeamu is at fault
I stand by what I said, as proven by the past few hours of arguing

let them burn

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:26 AM
I too stand by what I said: make Idris Elba the next Bond, do it, do it, do it

Cruor
May 11th, 2016, 11:26 AM
Awesome. So sometime next week?

da

probably next weekend

unless for some reason you would rather the friday or monday

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:26 AM
I too stand by what I said: make Idris Elba the next Bond, do it, do it, do it
Make Idris Elba everything imo

SeiKeo
May 11th, 2016, 11:27 AM
I too stand by what I said: make Idris Elba the next Bond, do it, do it, do it
This is actually an excellent example of how ostensibly diverse casting actually hurts an anti-racist cause by denying the possibility of self-reflection and normalizing problematic aspects.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:30 AM
The other contender I've heard for next Bond is Hiddleston and nooooooooope

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This is actually an excellent example of how ostensibly diverse casting actually hurts an anti-racist cause by denying the possibility of self-reflection and normalizing problematic aspects.
I don't want IE to be Bond because he's black, I want him to be Bond because he's cool.

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Like IE Bond would basically be like a Luther movie

SeiKeo
May 11th, 2016, 11:30 AM
The other contender I've heard for next Bond is Hiddleston and nooooooooope

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I don't want IE to be Bond because he's black, I want him to be Bond because he's cool.

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Like IE Bond would basically be like a Luther movie
And that normalizes blackness into a British imperial schema that it was the subject of.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:32 AM
You might remember (and I know you do but I'll leave to your fun-having pea-shooting) that all what I had to say on the subject is that your obsession over whitewashing in GiTS wasn't more credible than that other guy's horror at the idea of a PG13 Fate movie.

But I'm glad we had this good conversation, where ten white people from reasonably wealthy countries had a roundtable about racial exploitation in Hollywood film-making and how this reverberates on the systematic oppression of the global economy.
I was secretly talking about gay people the entire time actually

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 11:33 AM
where ten white people
Balts literally means white in my language

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 11:33 AM
I just ate popcorn
this was an afternoon well spent tbh

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:33 AM
oh except at the very beginning when Marm said empathy cannot overcome "visual otherness" and I said "what"

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:35 AM
Anyone can be JB imo as long as it isn't Wimbledon Tennismatch.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:35 AM
I was secretly talking about gay people the entire time actually
A respectable endeavor

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 11:35 AM
I cannot empathize with someone that is not a) white b) male c) heterosexual.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:35 AM
Anyone can be JB imo as long as it isn't Wimbledon Tennismatch.
If that anyone is Idris Elba yeah

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:35 AM
And that normalizes blackness into a British imperial schema that it was the subject of.

British Citizens can work for the British Government.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 11:36 AM
oh except at the very beginning when Marm said empathy cannot overcome "visual otherness" and I said "what"
I said "probably not completely". You literally can't leave more escape routes than that.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:36 AM
Anyone can be JB imo as long as it isn't Wimbledon Tennismatch.

I'd take BC over Hiddleston.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:37 AM
If that anyone is Idris Elba yeah

I dc really, as long as it isn't BC.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:37 AM
I'd take BC over Hiddleston.
I got confused because I forgot those were not the same person.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:37 AM
I'd take BC over Hiddleston.
I wouldn't.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:38 AM
I dc really, as long as it isn't BC.
I don't even watch JB I just like Elba

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:39 AM
Hiddleston may be a bad choice but I don't care about the franchise enough to mind. I do mind BC because I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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Craig was kinda cool I guess.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:39 AM
As long as it's not that Irish piece of shit who plays Morairty/ruined SPECTRE.

Kotonoha
May 11th, 2016, 11:40 AM
that Irish piece of shit
Now this... this is true racism.......

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:42 AM
Now this... this is true racism.......
Rodyle's true colors revealed

SeiKeo
May 11th, 2016, 11:43 AM
As long as it's not that Irish piece of shit who plays Morairty/ruined SPECTRE.
Moriarty is played by a woman though?

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 11:43 AM
Yeah it's unfair as fuck, I'm too white to play any race card and still too black to be one of the cool kids.

This is the true racial inferiority.
I dunno, Nazis still wanted to off half of the ethnicity despite their main ideologue himself coming from Baltics. While they made every chance to ape your cultural legacy.

2Bad
May 11th, 2016, 11:43 AM
I can never remember Andrew Scott's name because he's just Moriarty to me but he's the worst

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:49 AM
I dunno, Nazis still wanted to off half of the ethnicity despite their main ideologue himself coming from Baltics. While they made every chance to ape your cultural legacy.
Iirc Roman imagery was used for aesthetics, because it's cool.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 11:51 AM
Iirc Roman imagery was used for aesthetics, because it's cool.
Roman imagery used to be cool

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 11:52 AM
I think he means aping the Nordic imagery.
Ohhh that. Excuse.

Marmadillo
May 11th, 2016, 11:56 AM
I think he means aping the Nordic imagery.
No not really.
I don't actually remember what Nazis thought of Italians themselves though.

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Or how much of it was just adopting fascist imagery.

Skull
May 11th, 2016, 12:01 PM
Y'know, just this once I won't complain about being mistaken for a kid as today I managed to get a children's bus ticket which is half the price of an adult one.

Snow
May 11th, 2016, 12:04 PM
Non-nordic, non-white, lacking in Sturm und Drang, take a guess. Pretty much any connection between the two movements, ideologically, politically and aesthetically is to be owed to the personal admiration of Hitler for Mussolini.

And Imperial imagery

being cool.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:11 PM
Y'know, just this once I won't complain about being mistaken for a kid as today I managed to get a children's bus ticket which is half the price of an adult one. smol boi

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And Imperial imagery being cool. eagles are cool

Lace
May 11th, 2016, 12:13 PM
I cannot empathize with someone that is not a) white b) male c) heterosexual.

spin and i get along so well because im all of the above

Skull
May 11th, 2016, 12:19 PM
smol boi


The bus driver must've been hard of sight cause I look nothing like a child.

I was even wearing a business suit and everything.

just Beamu
May 11th, 2016, 12:23 PM
Children can wear suits

Spinach
May 11th, 2016, 12:28 PM
spin and i get along so well because im all of the above

Yeh

Zurvan
May 11th, 2016, 12:55 PM
So am I, but I still fear the mighty Spin

I3uster
May 11th, 2016, 01:38 PM
why the fuck am i listening to wonderwall

Historia
May 11th, 2016, 01:55 PM
meanwhile...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaHyunFYeuI

black1blade
May 11th, 2016, 04:02 PM
I really wish black1blade would stop being such a fucking scrub and actually concentrate on past papers so I don't get Bs.

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On these past papers that is. Now lets see how well I can do in the a French reading- my strongest subject -_-

asterism42
May 11th, 2016, 04:04 PM
B is a fine grade. You can go far with Bs.

Gl❀w
May 11th, 2016, 04:07 PM
Good luck on your french stuff, but also asterism is right. B's are still a good mark, don't beat yourself up too much over them.