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bahamut zero
September 23rd, 2013, 06:17 PM
Well, I'm not sure we ever had a topic which was seriously concerned with this question, so have at it. Will definitely be interesting to know.

Kirby
September 23rd, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oohhhh boy

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SYdjRVCR0

SeiKeo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:20 PM
turkey handle best type moon

BlackField
September 23rd, 2013, 06:20 PM
I prefer the atmosphere of Tsukihime and I feel it was closer to achieving the aim of the story but F/SN is a lot more polished and has a more interesting story.

Polly
September 23rd, 2013, 06:20 PM
Well... this could be interesting.

Kirby
September 23rd, 2013, 06:21 PM
Should I have faith in BL that this won't devolve into a flame war?

VelspertheCat
September 23rd, 2013, 06:21 PM
The one that has more Shinji.

bahamut zero
September 23rd, 2013, 06:24 PM
Should I have faith in BL that this won't devolve into a flame war?

Sorry, forgot to link appropriate background music:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

Mcjon01
September 23rd, 2013, 06:24 PM
Fate is more popular and made more money, so it must be better. The free market has spoken.

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:25 PM
Should I have faith in BL that this won't devolve into a flame war?

No.

Polly
September 23rd, 2013, 06:25 PM
This thread reminds me that we need that Tsuki remake already.

Neir
September 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
Fate was a more entertaining read, I think (except all the sakura whining), but tsukihime was probably better overall.

BlackField
September 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
Fate is more popular and made more money, so it must be better. The free market has spoken.
But they are in monopolistic competition and not the true free market. Do you even libertarian?

Kelnish
September 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
If ciel was only route tsuki would win. Just all those other sub par routes drag turkey handle down.

SeiKeo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
Neir and I never abet flame wars.

Neir
September 23rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
If ciel was only route tsuki would win. Just all those other sub par routes drag turkey handle down.

Koha route is p good too.

terraablaze
September 23rd, 2013, 06:27 PM
I think we had a topic like this before but it was swallowed up by the abyss when the Polls section was sent to the Quasi-elemental plane of Null. I have a feeling the Polls forum is going to turn into a mythic land we tell the youngesters down through the years where a bunch of stuff probably happened whether it did or not.

Kelnish
September 23rd, 2013, 06:30 PM
Might have been post poll forum tetra. Check and see if favorite route thread exists.

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:33 PM
I liked F/SN better therefor I vote for it.

Kirby
September 23rd, 2013, 06:33 PM
I think we had a topic like this before but it was swallowed up by the abyss when the Polls section was sent to the Quasi-elemental plane of Null. I have a feeling the Polls forum is going to turn into a mythic land we tell the youngesters down through the years where a bunch of stuff probably happened whether it did or not.
It's already happened. I asked about the polls, and some guy told me that when his bones ache once more, he shall tell me a mystical tale of a wondrous land. I have yet to hear this tale.

Leftovers
September 23rd, 2013, 06:34 PM
I appreciate the setting, certain characters and the overarching theme of Shirou's ideals and the paths they can lead to in FS/N, but Tsukihime actually made me give a damn about the heroines, which is a big plus. Also, the dichotomy of the Near/Far Sides, each with their respective unique elements and themes, did wonders to keep things fresh and interesting, while in Fate I sorta spaced out for the entire first half of HF. Add in nostalgia points for having read it first, and I vote Tsukihime.

Vagrant
September 23rd, 2013, 06:35 PM
Fate was more polished overall, I feel it was more in-depth with a lot of little things, and for me Shirou and his void existence and dealing with his ideals was more interesting than Shiki's character. There were definitely things Tsukihime did better than Fate and I would love to see a polished Remake of it, but the amateur nature of Nasu's inexperience shows through.

TomPen94
September 23rd, 2013, 06:47 PM
Tough one... I liked both equally... I'll give it to Fate/stay night for having better art.

mAc Chaos
September 23rd, 2013, 06:48 PM
Comparing my experiences...

Since nothing can't beat something I'll go with Fate. ​:3333333

Paitouch
September 23rd, 2013, 06:49 PM
Mahoyo

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:50 PM
Comparing my experiences...

Since nothing can't beat something I'll go with Fate. ​:3333333

shots fired.

TomPen94
September 23rd, 2013, 06:51 PM
Comparing my experiences...

Since nothing can't beat something I'll go with Fate. ​:3333333

I voted for Fate, but I'm telling you, you should read Tsukihime.

Paitouch
September 23rd, 2013, 06:53 PM
EDIT: I thought this was the SnK thread. I am retarded, and I am sorry.

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 06:56 PM
EDIT: I thought this was the SnK thread. I am retarded, and I am sorry.

clap clap clap.

Tobias
September 23rd, 2013, 06:57 PM
Oh man, this thread is going to need anti-posters. Ah well, while we wait for that, hmm.. I feel like knocking tsukihime a bit for ciel's route bein so similar to fate, but I'm not sure it isn't better, judging purely on story.

Kirby
September 23rd, 2013, 06:58 PM
This is way more civil than I expected.

VelspertheCat
September 23rd, 2013, 06:58 PM
Eren can kill Servants.

Christemo
September 23rd, 2013, 07:00 PM
Eren can kill Servants.

Eren vs Hercules.

Lycodrake
September 23rd, 2013, 07:01 PM
Eren vs Hitler

Who is the better charismatic racist?

Paitouch
September 23rd, 2013, 07:03 PM
vs Hercules.

Or better, Kingprotea.

Kelnish
September 23rd, 2013, 07:04 PM
Oh man, this thread is going to need anti-posters. Ah well, while we wait for that, hmm.. I feel like knocking tsukihime a bit for ciel's route bein so similar to fate, but I'm not sure it isn't better, judging purely on story.

But Fate and Ciel's aren't similair.

TomPen94
September 23rd, 2013, 07:04 PM
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/13018/001.0/compressed/dimg084.jpg?v=11367991541

Let the sh*tstorm begin.

VelspertheCat
September 23rd, 2013, 07:04 PM
Eren vs Hitler

Who is the better charismatic racist?

Willy Wonka from KnK

Altima of the Gates
September 23rd, 2013, 07:05 PM
I enjoyed Fate more than Tsukihime, but I can't really decide which had the better story.
I guess Tsukihime's was more....compact in scope of that makes sense, whereas I felt there was a broader sense of world-building for Fate, which is why I like it more.

gwonbush
September 23rd, 2013, 07:06 PM
Crazy Clover Club writes some pretty cool doujins.

SeiKeo
September 23rd, 2013, 07:06 PM
Lyco, that's my line.

Tobias
September 23rd, 2013, 07:06 PM
But Fate and Ciel's aren't similair.
;_;

second time today I have randomly juxtaposed words. I should get that dylexia looked at.

VelspertheCat
September 23rd, 2013, 07:07 PM
But Fate and Ciel's aren't similair.

I thought the scene where Roa and SHIKI go down on Shiki while Ciel watches was vaguely like the Rin, Saber, and Shirou three way.

TomPen94
September 23rd, 2013, 07:08 PM
Crazy Clover Club writes some pretty cool doujins.

Yes they do... But I have no access to T-Moon Complex X 08 (which they released this summe) and that is driving me nuts, especially with that goddamn cliffhanger at the end of volume 7.

Dallas
September 23rd, 2013, 07:10 PM
I enjoyed the heroines of Tsukihime much more than Fate.

Kelnish
September 23rd, 2013, 07:17 PM
I thought the scene where Roa and SHIKI go down on Shiki while Ciel watches was vaguely like the Rin, Saber, and Shirou three way.

Yes I dapper furiously when that scene totally happened in the gnome during that one day right after the stuff. That legit scene was best porn nasu ever wrote. I liked when Roa gave SHIKI a reach around

RacingeR
September 23rd, 2013, 07:21 PM
A hard question. FSN had two routes I really liked, and one I really disliked and is an huge point against it. I feel that Tsukihime was overall better, but was definitely less polished, and had some problems like the Arc and Ciel routes being nearly the same.

I enjoyed FSN way more, specially UBW, so I'll give my vote to it. Judging objectively which of the two is the better story, though, is something I'd find pretty hard to do.

Miri
September 23rd, 2013, 07:49 PM
I liked Tsukihime more, both the characters and the story, but I'm not sure which one I would objectively place higher in terms of quality. There was not a moment I didn't enjoy in Tsukihime, while I often got bored going through FSN, especially during the long slice-of-life parts. FSN is more polished and has better world-building, but certain aspects of the story felt kind of...forced.So I register after a month of lurking just to vote on this poll, when I should be writing an essay. It's nice to see that my fantard side always prevails.

Mooncake
September 23rd, 2013, 07:58 PM
Tough choice... hmm. I'd have to say that while I enjoyed Fate quite a bit, and it had better art, I definitely enjoyed Tsukihime much more. Sure, I had some minor complaints with it, but nothing is perfect. It was also the first Type-Moon VN I ever played, so the nostalgia might have something to do with it. Still, casting my vote for Tsukihime.

^ Also, Welcome to Beast's Lair! Mind your head and leave your sanity at the door :) .

Nihilm
September 23rd, 2013, 08:03 PM
I think Tsuki might be better overall, but I am voting F/SN cause I liked it more.

sjtabler
September 23rd, 2013, 08:24 PM
Really hard choice. I like both, but just to be counted I will vote for Tsukihime.

Kuradora
September 23rd, 2013, 08:28 PM
I think Tsukihime had a better sense of atmosphere about it than FSN.

Zenieth
September 23rd, 2013, 10:35 PM
I support tits, so gardening is the way to go.

Oblivion
September 23rd, 2013, 10:36 PM
For me, Tsukihime is the best.
It's true that I don't like that much the Fate franchise, but I think Tsuki has a better background and story.
Fate isn't so bad, but some parts of the plot I just don't like them.

The characters in Tsukihime seem more appealing than the ones in Fate; also, Fate has been exploited too much nowadays.

Neir
September 23rd, 2013, 10:36 PM
I think Tsuki might be better overall, but I am voting F/SN cause I liked it more.

then shouldn't you be voting for tsuki, since you think it's the better story?

ChildOfMike
September 24th, 2013, 01:12 AM
Hard to say, but i will vote for fate cuz it's the reason i knew about type moon in the first place and for that it will always hold a special place in my heart

Ossan99
September 24th, 2013, 01:40 AM
Tsukihime is a great, but sad so sad story especially Hisui and Kohaku. I love happy end, so I vote F/SN(18+ PC version).

ItsaRandomUsername
September 24th, 2013, 03:41 AM
/stay night had better story and art and music, but Tsuki had superior atmosphere, protagonist/protagonist skillset, and character designs so in the end for me it breaks even with a slight but distinct advantage given to Tsuki.

Daiki
September 24th, 2013, 04:32 AM
Fate has a better concept. Tsukihime has a better ambiance.
Story is more polished and expanded in FSN. But Tsukihime is less about childish ideals.

So, FSN but I still prefer Moon Princess.

TomPen94
September 24th, 2013, 05:23 AM
How did you guys keep it civil for so long?

Ratman
September 24th, 2013, 05:35 AM
Tsukihime had much better, more mature and complicated main idea, and a lot of potential, the good writing was mostly subtle. You had to think about what really is the point. But for all it could have been, it was executed pretty horribly and was often a chore to read. Cooking still tops OH GOD I CAN'T MOVE MY TOES HURT AND I CAN'T SCRATCH THEM I HOPE THE SYRINGE YOU ARE BRINGING IS TO OFF ME BECAUSE I REALLY WANT TO DIE
See, I get that this was there for a reason, but it got old about halfway through the game and the rest was nothing but that.

So, I am going to say Fate, at least until the remake comes out.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 05:42 AM
then shouldn't you be voting for tsuki, since you think it's the better story?

I prefer not to judge stuff objectively in these matters. It's like when people blindly love their waifu and never admit any of its faults.

TomPen94
September 24th, 2013, 05:47 AM
at least until the remake comes out.

God knows when that'll be...

I3uster
September 24th, 2013, 06:38 AM
Like them equally, FSN wins due to higher production values.

raygirl
September 24th, 2013, 06:41 AM
I'm going to go with F/SN, although I have to say in terms of introductory routes, Arc route was much better than the Fatr route.

Renko
September 24th, 2013, 06:43 AM
I choose neither. This topic is like deciding if you're going to drink Pepsi or Coca Cola.... :(

I3uster
September 24th, 2013, 06:44 AM
Arc route was a worse Ciel route. Not even waifufagging, its literally Arc route with more plot, info and fights.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:44 AM
I choose neither. This topic is like deciding if you're going to drink Pepsi or Coca Cola.... :(

y not both? or do you mean no ty neither. Cause I know a lot of people who would say no to both pepesi and coke

TomPen94
September 24th, 2013, 06:44 AM
I choose neither. This topic is like deciding if you're going to drink Pepsi or Coca Cola.... :(

I'd choose Pepsi over Coke any day of the year. And it's not that I like Pepsi either.


Arc route was a worse Ciel route. Not even waifufagging, its literally Arc route with more plot, info and fights.

I liked Ciel's route the most, but I preferred the climax of Arcueid's route.

I3uster
September 24th, 2013, 06:44 AM
I choose neither. This topic is like deciding if you're going to drink Pepsi or Coca Cola.... :(

Do what I did and pick the better soundtrack then.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:45 AM
Arc route was a worse Ciel route. Not even waifufagging, its literally Arc route with more plot, info and fights.

That is arguably true, but most people went Arc, then Ciel and that makes Ciel's route extremely boring since it is mostly the same.

raygirl
September 24th, 2013, 06:47 AM
Ciel True is my favourite, along with Hisui. I'm just saying Fatr route is inferior to me regardless whether it is compared to Ciel or Arc route

TomPen94
September 24th, 2013, 06:48 AM
Ciel deserved a real good ending. They HAVE to fix that in the remake! That was no good ending, that was bullsh*t!

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:50 AM
At both Ciel endings I kept thinking that things worked out so much better for Shiki in the Arc endings.

I3uster
September 24th, 2013, 06:52 AM
Fate feels a lot more like an incomplete introduction than Arc/Ciel which are a closed arc. I blame not revealed Servant identities.

forumghost
September 24th, 2013, 06:53 AM
At both Ciel endings I kept thinking that things worked out so much better for Shiki in the Arc endings.

How so? Both Ciel endings work out pretty well for Shiki really.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:56 AM
How so? Both Ciel endings work out pretty well for Shiki really.

They work out fine, but it feels like Shiki has to go through a lot more shit in both of them before the conclusion.

Christemo
September 24th, 2013, 06:56 AM
Fate feels a lot more like an incomplete introduction than Arc/Ciel which are a closed arc. I blame not revealed Servant identities.


I blame worst heroine. Shots fired.

raygirl
September 24th, 2013, 06:59 AM
I blame stupid Shirou acting like a moron for the first half of the route.

BlackField
September 24th, 2013, 06:59 AM
I dislike Ciel's route because I only worked out I was on Ciel's route when Roa killed me. I remember thinking "how the fuck did I get on this route? All I've been doing is choosing Arc every time a choice came up" and then I went through all my saves and I still couldn't get onto Arc's route. In the end, I had to use a guide.

Ciel's route is better than Arc's but it only really becomes Ciel's in the 2nd half.

TomPen94
September 24th, 2013, 07:13 AM
The one thing bad about both visual novels is that they restrict the routes way too much, to the point that even some of the heroines might as well not even appear outside their route, the story wouldn't change at all.

Maybe that's why Rin is my favorite character, she has a really important role in all three routes.

forumghost
September 24th, 2013, 07:34 AM
They work out fine, but it feels like Shiki has to go through a lot more shit in both of them before the conclusion.

By that logic you must really dislike the Far-Side Routes.

Servant Shiki
September 24th, 2013, 07:35 AM
I liked Tsukihime more, both the characters and the story, but I'm not sure which one I would objectively place higher in terms of quality. There was not a moment I didn't enjoy in Tsukihime, while I often got bored going through FSN, especially during the long slice-of-life parts. FSN is more polished and has better world-building, but certain aspects of the story felt kind of...forced.

Thanks for posting my opinion as well.


So I register after a month of lurking just to vote on this poll, when I should be writing an essay. It's nice to see that my fantard side always prevails.
Welcome to Beast Lair, don't worry I'm in the same page as you.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 07:36 AM
By that logic you must really dislike the Far-Side Routes.

Nope I love them more than near side routes. I didn't say I disliked Ciel more than Arc because of that. I just kept thinking knowing exactly what happens in both routes, Shiki should have definately chose Arc.

aldeayeah
September 24th, 2013, 08:33 AM
Arc route was a worse Ciel route. Not even waifufagging, its literally Arc route with more plot, info and fights.

Ciel route: days and days of not much happening, lack of heroine focus, characterization all over the place, poorly handled plot twists, terrible good end...

Even as a maid rape enthusiast, I find Arc route better.

Oh, except the Gainax ending.

That's a great ending.

Sherrinford
September 24th, 2013, 08:44 AM
Nah, I'm not going to read all of the past pages.

@topic: dunno, both stories have their good and bad points. Tsukihime has great potential, but it's the first published work, and sadly doesn't go beyond that. FSN on the other hand has a fully-used potential, but if you want to be fair, there are a bit too many "issues" with the plot... probably FSN, but not by much.

Btw, I prefer Kagetsu Tohya >_>

Gilgamesh
September 24th, 2013, 10:09 AM
I don't get why they have to be compared, or why someone needs to pick which one they like more. They're both Type-Moon works, I love Type-Moon. There should be a "I don't give a fuck, I love them both because Type-Moon" option.
Also why no Kara no Kyoukai?

But Fate/Zero is better anyway.

Leftovers
September 24th, 2013, 10:23 AM
I don't get why they have to be compared, or why someone needs to pick which one they like more. They're both Type-Moon works, I love Type-Moon. There should be a "I don't give a fuck, I love them both because Type-Moon" option.
Also why no Kara no Kyoukai?

But Fate/Zero is better anyway.

Tsukihime and FS/N are the cornerstones of the franchise, and also what got most people in the T-M game until F/Z animu came. Being of the same media also allows for judgment on roughly equal terms concerning the story, setting and characters, which was the original point of the poll.

Raven2785
September 24th, 2013, 11:20 AM
I will pick Tsuki because I like the setting of Misaki more than the one of Fuyuki, Tsuki also has heroines that are more tragic than FSN ones (yes Sakurafags, I went there)

And the length of FSN routes detract points from it in my book, it would be one thing if all that text where necessary to the story, but we can all agree there were parts on all 3 routes where they could've cut some walls of text without the story loosing any weight from it.

Valdarez
September 24th, 2013, 11:45 AM
tsukihime feels more realistic to me,fate is more into action
to each their own

Renko
September 24th, 2013, 12:09 PM
I choose neither because I like both of them.

Just the fact that "every" Type-Moon series were connected to each other intrigues me.

Oh the joy of reading.......I'll just vote for Tsukihime for a change. :D

Dartz
September 24th, 2013, 12:11 PM
Tsuki. One reason being that vampires and creatures with non-human roots are more interesting to me than legendary heroes. Phantasmal Beasts and magical creatures like fairies, dwarves etc in Nasuverse stories are quite rare. And whenever one of them blesses a story with their appearance, it adds a mystical and magical touch that Fate unfortunately lacks. I also like Tsuki's atmosphere better; the sense of impending doom was greater than in Fate.

Only thing I didn't like, though, was the fact that Nasu seemed to have went out of his way to make fights look as underwhelming as possible, this wasn't the case with Fate, which is one of the reasons I like the Tsuki manga better than the novel. This would probably change in the remake, since Nasu said he wanted to surpass the manga and all.

Rai Burnout
September 24th, 2013, 01:54 PM
I shall abstain until The Tsuki Remake comes out since both games were made in different periods of Typemoon's life and Tsuki had a low budget because there wasn't anything else to give to it. When the remake comes out I feel it will put both stories on a more level playing field. As for Ciel route vs Arc route. I prefer Ciel's since it not only gave you more information but it also gave you true motivation to hate Roa and shows you WHY everyone hates him. Plus it had a moral. The flaw in it beyond the two routes being almost identical is that it completely fucks up Kohaku's life for no reason. Imagine Shiki going back home after that.

Crown
September 24th, 2013, 03:52 PM
DDD

Now seriously, Tsukihime.

I love every detail of it. Back then when I read Tsukihime for the first time I was going through a hard passage of my life, emotionally speaking. It is a matter of personal preference, but I love the treasured everyday life vibe Tsukihime gives, life is truly beautiful despite all hardships that might present.

Shiki's health and past, Akiha's sincere incestous love, Ciel's atonement and care, the love between sisters of Hisui and Kohaku were heartwarming to me. As you can see, the characters grew on me very quickly and the story fascinated me. I agree with Nasu saying that Kohaku's route was the grand finale, and it is up to this day my favorite route.

From that point on I also began staring at the Moon whenever the night fell, those were, certainly, my favorite moment of the day.

I like Fate, but not as much as Tsukihime. To be frank, I think Shirou's ideals are foolish and downright stupid. Perhaps that's why HF is my favorite route, followed by UBW and Fate last.

Sherrinford
September 24th, 2013, 03:57 PM
I don't get why they have to be compared, or why someone needs to pick which one they like more.

BECAUSE THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.


Tsuki. One reason being that vampires and creatures with non-human roots are more interesting to me than legendary heroes. Phantasmal Beasts and magical creatures like fairies, dwarves etc in Nasuverse stories are quite rare. And whenever one of them blesses a story with their appearance, it adds a mystical and magical touch that Fate unfortunately lacks.

God Nasu forbid Tsukhime turns into a Urban Fantasy story. Seriously.

Btw, kind of funny you mention that, considering PBs, mystical and magical instances are far more prominent in FSN than Tsukihime.

orangetunes
September 24th, 2013, 04:03 PM
I'd have to say FSN cause it's good from the get go with the fate route, Tsukihime for me only got good when I got to the Far-Moon routes.

Dartz
September 24th, 2013, 04:24 PM
Btw, kind of funny you mention that, considering PBs, mystical and magical instances are far more prominent in FSN than Tsukihime.

Eh, can't say that. Look out the CM entry, all vampires fall within the category of Phantasmal Species. Whereas the only PS in Fate is Rider's pegasus, and it only appears for a few moments. Also, it's not about any magical or mystical instance, but the special touch that non-human beings give to the story. Regardless this a personal point of view, not everyone can understand or like it.

blitz1/2
September 24th, 2013, 04:52 PM
I choose neither. This topic is like deciding if you're going to drink Pepsi or Coca Cola.... :(

But if I pick pepsi, I would get a free gift card. :)

Polly
September 24th, 2013, 05:18 PM
I like it how people talk about the production values; the quality of art and soundtrack and whatnot, and take it into account when balancing one story against the other, when the poll question is "which one is a better story?" ( not "a better VN" ). :p

As to my own opinion, I honestly can't decide at the moment. Maybe I should go reread them both...

LJ3
September 24th, 2013, 06:21 PM
I have to admit, Shirou's ideals are big part of why I'm attracted to Fate/Stay Night.

It needs constant reevaluation and support from others so you don't lose yourself into it.

I haven't read Tsukihime yet (only manga), but did spoiler myself on the Ends. Ciel's True really got me.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:22 PM
Aww... you shouldn't have spoilered yourself on Tsuki. The far side routes were really exciting because you didn't know what was happening properly since you were slowly going insane.

Dallas
September 24th, 2013, 06:30 PM
^Main reason why I loved Tsukihime is because of the far side route. Reading a story where you are in the perspective of a man slowly going insane without the added thoughts of those around him was very thrilling.

Nihilm
September 24th, 2013, 06:32 PM
Yeah that is the main reason I think Tsukihime has a better story than F/SN. Because it managed to pull that off really well and I think that is pretty hard to do. Overally I liked F/SN better.

LJ3
September 24th, 2013, 10:27 PM
Aww... you shouldn't have spoilered yourself on Tsuki. The far side routes were really exciting because you didn't know what was happening properly since you were slowly going insane.

It's weird, because in trying to convince myself that this franchise was worth getting into, I spoiled myself for Tsuki and Fate. But it worked out since I didn't feel any attachment in discovering what happened and in actually going through the routes of Fate, I had already lost the specifics of what happened. I was still able to feel really emotional about the story, nonetheless.

The Big Cheese
September 24th, 2013, 11:02 PM
While Tsukihime had a nice story and a neat protagonist(Death Perception ftw) I enjoyed Fate' s story much more.
After all, Fate/Zero was how I started TM. SN was a pretty fun read, with plenty of humor and the slice-of-life bits that just made it feel more natural. It flowed from drama to peace smoothly, and Tsuki needs polishing on its rhythm. As Nasu' s first story it definitely needs a remake and rewrite to work out the kinks.
My vote goes to Fate.

Sanguine
September 25th, 2013, 02:42 AM
I haven't yet read Tsukihime, but I can tell you it'll be hard to top Fate in my mind. Its combination of history porn, great characters, a fairly unique flavor of grimdarkness and philosophizing juxtaposed with amazing action add up to pretty much a thing that was made for me. On a more objective artistic level I honestly think that Fate is a smart, well-told and emotionally impactful story, and it does the best thing a work of art can do: encourage its audience to form its own opinions about what its saying.

That I think is why its been such a successful franchise and has crossed international borders so well. It has all the sex, gore and swordfights of the puerile action flick, but it also has deep thoughts and emotions under the surface, not unlike Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. I mean, when you take into consideration that it's original source material has never been translated and its first anime has a hugely negative reputation, the fact that its PSP spinoff game sold more copies in its first week in the US than its lifetime of release in Japan is crazy. And I would bet money that US sales figures for the Fate Zero bds are similarly impressive.

It may never be as mainstream as Naruto or DBZ, but I'd put it up against the likes of Eva and Madoka any day at the very pinnacle of the "fan favorites," and "intellectual franchises," any day.

So at least for me personally Tsukihime will have a bit of a hill to climb.

TomPen94
September 25th, 2013, 05:34 AM
I haven't yet read Tsukihime, but I can tell you it'll be hard to top Fate in my mind. Its combination of history porn, great characters, a fairly unique flavor of grimdarkness and philosophizing juxtaposed with amazing action add up to pretty much a thing that was made for me. On a more objective artistic level I honestly think that Fate is a smart, well-told and emotionally impactful story, and it does the best thing a work of art can do: encourage its audience to form its own opinions about what its saying.

That I think is why its been such a successful franchise and has crossed international borders so well. It has all the sex, gore and swordfights of the puerile action flick, but it also has deep thoughts and emotions under the surface, not unlike Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad. I mean, when you take into consideration that it's original source material has never been translated and its first anime has a hugely negative reputation, the fact that its PSP spinoff game sold more copies in its first week in the US than its lifetime of release in Japan is crazy. And I would bet money that US sales figures for the Fate Zero bds are similarly impressive.

It may never be as mainstream as Naruto or DBZ, but I'd put it up against the likes of Eva and Madoka any day at the very pinnacle of the "fan favorites," and "intellectual franchises," any day.

So at least for me personally Tsukihime will have a bit of a hill to climb.

Tsukihime is a mountain in itself to climb. It just didn't get the luck of getting as much attention as Fate did. What led me to vote for Fate was the way the story was told (if you can get what I mean) and the higher production values. These are, however, things I used as tie-breakers. Meaning I appreciated the story of both equally, they are both great stories.

Give Tsukihime a try, you won't regret it.

aldeayeah
September 25th, 2013, 05:36 AM
^Main reason why I loved Tsukihime is because of the far side route. Reading a story where you are in the perspective of a man slowly going insane without the added thoughts of those around him was very thrilling.

Heaven's Feel had some of that too, with all the brain death by swords thing.

For some reason, those scenes where Shirou blanks out and stuff has happened and he remembers nothing give me the chills.

SeiKeo
September 25th, 2013, 09:20 AM
It may never be as mainstream as Naruto or DBZ, but I'd put it up against the likes of Eva

ok this is too far

Rowanism
September 25th, 2013, 09:25 AM
so many Fatefags in this community

Kotonoha
September 25th, 2013, 10:24 AM
so many Fatefags in this community
By all means return to your homeland (http://www.4chan.org).

T-Toh
September 25th, 2013, 10:27 AM
I could vote for Tsukihime, but that would contradict my overall fixation on magic and Servants! Raincheck?

Tepanyakigo
September 25th, 2013, 01:04 PM
Fate Stay Night for me...

I admit that FSN has given me so much emotional support and inspiration for me during a serious hard time...
Although Aoko Sensei's godly advise in Tsukihime "Shiki I'm not telling you to grow up to be a saint ..." and Shiki's carefree 'live life to the fullest' YOLO, Shirou's ideal (although childish) truly has a deep impact for me...

So, overall I love FSN more personally but Tsukihime (and other type moon work such as Kara no Kyoukai and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru) will always hold a special place in my heart

Rowanism
September 25th, 2013, 01:57 PM
By all means return to your homeland (http://www.4chan.org).

Sorry that is already Break's territory.

terraablaze
September 25th, 2013, 02:32 PM
I guess that just means you will have to kill him and take his crown. This should be made easy because you're both German. There's like one city there that counts right?

SeiKeo
September 25th, 2013, 02:38 PM
Bonn?

OdaNobunaga
September 25th, 2013, 02:38 PM
Tsuki has a better main hero, but Fate has more interesting characters. Especially villians. So it is Fate for me.

Ratman
September 25th, 2013, 02:39 PM
Its combination of history porn,

You sure are into some peculiar kinks.

KarmaDemon
September 25th, 2013, 02:40 PM
You sure are into some peculiar kinks.

I'm kind someone else beside me noticed that.

Sanguine
September 25th, 2013, 03:04 PM
You sure are into some peculiar kinks.

I meant all the subtle references and easter eggs about history and mythological literature, like "scenery porn." Not the actual porn involving historical figures.


ok this is too far

Would it have soothed you if I'd specified the Eva MOVIES or replaced it with Fullmetal Alchemist?

KarmaDemon
September 25th, 2013, 03:08 PM
Would it have soothed you if I'd specified the Eva MOVIES or replaced it with Fullmetal Alchemist?

FMA is shonen territory. One of the rare super popular yet great series that probably won't be seen for another 5 years.

bahamut zero
September 25th, 2013, 06:51 PM
Bonn?
What the fuck is wrong with you? You are disgusting. -__-

Rowanism
September 25th, 2013, 11:42 PM
Oi, don't diss our former capital city.

aldeayeah
September 26th, 2013, 05:18 AM
I confess I'm pretty fond of Munich/München myself.

012yArthur0
September 29th, 2013, 12:21 PM
I vote for Tsuki. I could make giant blocks of text comparing both, so I guess I go because I have the "first one is always better syndrome".

Maybe because it was Tsukihime that hooked me to TM, or it was my first VN.

But if one can say if Fate is objectively better, they would be right (probably).

You
September 29th, 2013, 01:58 PM
I would say Fate is easier to get people interested in because of the historical angle. You pretty much just tell people it's King Arthur vs Hercules and they're like oookay I'll give it a try, but it's a lot harder to sell Tsuki because what would you say? Guy see's death lines and tries to break a chair?

As for the better story, I think rather than them competing, all the Type-moon works complement each other since you see the connections when you've read the others, and how they tie into each other and expand the world.

Like I'm sure people were fangasming a bit when Kotomine pulled out a black key or even when he was talking about scriptures. It's this shared history or world that makes the franchise itself more enjoyable.

As a standalone though I would say Fate is more interesting simply because people have grown up with those mythological characters and that's pretty much it's selling point.

TomPen94
September 29th, 2013, 03:52 PM
Guy see's death lines and tries to break a chair?

Not just any chair, it's this chair...

This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This cha-

*inhales* I'm okay...

aldeayeah
September 30th, 2013, 04:57 AM
I would say Fate is easier to get people interested in because of the historical angle. You pretty much just tell people it's King Arthur vs Hercules and they're like oookay I'll give it a try, but it's a lot harder to sell Tsuki because what would you say? Guy see's death lines and tries to break a chair?

They tend to be intrigued by the prologue, and hooked by the end of Inversion Impulse II.

As for the, "I'll give it a try", the "death lines" thing sounds cool enough for most.

BlackField
September 30th, 2013, 08:45 AM
I thought Tsukihime had the better intro and hook than F/SN.

I was sort of bored through most of F/SN prologue and then just when you think an epic fight starts Rin goes off and monologues about where heroes come from. Tsukihime had the whole people getting slaughtered thing and "HOLY SHIT, what is wrong with this kid? Has he gone insane or can he really see lines that can easily be cut?". So it got all my edgy hipster juices flowing.

F/SN has probably a cooler concept though for the average person imo. Heroes>lines of death I'm afraid.

deimos
September 30th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Guy see's death lines and tries to break a chair?Not just any chair, it's this chair...

This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This chair. This cha-

*inhales* I'm okay...
http://i.imgur.com/7rWcYxO.jpg

Cristu
October 2nd, 2013, 12:08 PM
Tsukihime is better, but Fate is more appealing to the general public (not for me, I find it's theme childish and annoying, but well, people say I have problems).

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:09 PM
One day I wish to be as mature as you are, but that day might never come.

;_;

Polly
October 2nd, 2013, 12:12 PM
Embrace the little girl inside of you, Buster!

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:13 PM
I would but I think that's not legal even if she is asking for it.

Mcjon01
October 2nd, 2013, 12:13 PM
That was my biggest problem going to FSN from the Fate Zero anime; it wasn't nearly as adult and mature as Urobuchi's take on the story. Shirou was basically just a juvenile version of Kiritsugu, and the entire world bent over backwards to accommodate his worldview. Such bullshit.

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:14 PM
Mcjon you are perpetuating false stereotypes of F/Z viewers.

Literally Anime-first rape culture.

Mcjon01
October 2nd, 2013, 12:17 PM
Stop oppressing me.

aldeayeah
October 2nd, 2013, 12:23 PM
You wasted a perfectly good chance to call someone a fascist, shame on you.

Mcjon01
October 2nd, 2013, 12:23 PM
#submission

Tobias
October 2nd, 2013, 12:26 PM
Mcjon you are perpetuating false stereotypes of F/Z viewers.

Literally Anime-first rape culture.

Don't be so mean to him, he is certainly not purpetuating false stereotypes!

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:31 PM
i cant believe all this oppression around me

Polly
October 2nd, 2013, 12:35 PM
I am an Zero-anime-first fan. What now?

SeiKeo
October 2nd, 2013, 12:36 PM
I am an Zero-anime-first fan. What now?

Fucking secondaries everywhere around me.

Tobias
October 2nd, 2013, 12:37 PM
I am an Zero-anime-first fan. What now?

Honorable seppeku.

Nihilm
October 2nd, 2013, 12:38 PM
I am an Zero-anime-first fan. What now?

So am I.

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:39 PM
You should all leave. Moderation orders, I am sorry.

Mcjon01
October 2nd, 2013, 12:44 PM
So am I.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ltpxsh.jpg

I am a Zero-anime-first fan.

Polly
October 2nd, 2013, 12:45 PM
Fucking secondaries everywhere around me.


Honorable seppeku.


You should all leave. Moderation orders, I am sorry.

You bullies!

*runs away sobbing and crying like a little girl*

I3uster
October 2nd, 2013, 12:46 PM
Now I can never make that joke again without my butthole clenching instinctively, gee, thanks Mcjon.

Sherrinford
October 2nd, 2013, 02:02 PM
Question: did the artist designed him to turn out exactly that way? Or was it an unfortunate accident?

Blastedspider
October 2nd, 2013, 02:06 PM
Question: did the artist designed him to turn out exactly that way? Or was it an unfortunate accident?
Given how the guy looks... I am really uncertain that it was possible to be done without purpose.

Leftovers
October 2nd, 2013, 02:10 PM
Question: did the artist designed him to turn out exactly that way? Or was it an unfortunate accident?

I think it's more of a friendly grin.

Sherrinford
October 2nd, 2013, 04:00 PM
Oh, you think it's more of a friendly grin, uh.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ltpxsh.jpg

Well, he certainly looks like someone who wants to know you better...

mAc Chaos
October 2nd, 2013, 04:03 PM
You bullies!

*runs away sobbing and crying like a little girl*
I told you it was your dark secret. But you didn't listen.

Leftovers
October 2nd, 2013, 04:04 PM
S-so superficial! Look past the bondage gear, Sherrinford. What do you see?

Sherrinford
October 2nd, 2013, 04:08 PM
The bondage gear is the least frightening part.

bahamut zero
October 2nd, 2013, 04:10 PM
guys, food used that as his avatar, so that leaves only one possible conclusion.... :neco_arc:

Kuradora
October 2nd, 2013, 04:54 PM
guys, food used that as his avatar, so that leaves only one possible conclusion.... :neco_arc:

Spartacus is a 12 year old girl??

TomPen94
October 2nd, 2013, 05:32 PM
Carnival Phantasm.

Ikamato
October 20th, 2013, 08:06 PM
Fate had better soundtracks, cg's and so on, but the setting and scenery of Tsuki was just awesome and impressive!

Btw, I've heard rumors about a Tsuki remake ... can someone tell me if that's the truth?

Kuradora
October 20th, 2013, 08:35 PM
Fate had better soundtracks, cg's and so on, but the setting and scenery of Tsuki was just awesome and impressive!

Btw, I've heard rumors about a Tsuki remake ... can someone tell me if that's the truth?

It's true.

Ratman
October 20th, 2013, 08:38 PM
but the setting and scenery of Tsuki was just awesome and impressive!

Finally, a brother in appreciation of the finer aspects of grainy photos shaded blue.


Btw, I've heard rumors about a Tsuki remake ... can someone tell me if that's the truth?

Yes. There is a thread. (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/4226-Things-you-d-like-to-see-in-the-Tsukihime-remake/page11) A few of them, really, but this one is current.

Mcjon01
October 20th, 2013, 08:46 PM
Finally, a brother in appreciation of the finer aspects of grainy photos shaded blue.



Yes. There is a thread. (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/4226-Things-you-d-like-to-see-in-the-Tsukihime-remake/page11) A few of them, really, but this one is current.

LIES (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/2634-Tsukihime-Remake-Thread).
The original is the only true thread. The other is an imitation based on a stupid premise and I hate it. And this is not some kind of tantrum induced by bias, I assure you.

TomPen94
October 20th, 2013, 09:36 PM
LIES (http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/2634-Tsukihime-Remake-Thread).
The original is the only true thread. The other is an imitation based on a stupid premise and I hate it. And this is not some kind of tantrum induced by bias, I assure you.

What did I ever do to you?

Servant Shiki
October 20th, 2013, 09:38 PM
I'm not assured.

Mcjon01
October 20th, 2013, 09:38 PM
You stole the only thing I've ever made.

TomPen94
October 20th, 2013, 09:42 PM
You stole the only thing I've ever made.

That's some good Reality Marble you got stuck in...

Mcjon01
October 20th, 2013, 09:45 PM
People don't even recommend my thread anymore, look what you did.

TomPen94
October 20th, 2013, 09:48 PM
People don't even recommend my thread anymore, look what you did.

My thread was born long after yours went to the grave.

Mcjon01
October 20th, 2013, 09:51 PM
Now that's just petty.

Nihilm
October 20th, 2013, 09:52 PM
Threads never truly die on BL, they just go to sleep for awhile

TomPen94
October 20th, 2013, 09:54 PM
Now that's just petty.

Just as petty as picking on someone just because they happened to make a thread that hasn't died or gone to sleep yet.

Paitouch
October 20th, 2013, 10:05 PM
You're both extremely petty. Not as petty as me, but still pretty petty.

bahamut zero
October 20th, 2013, 10:07 PM
Just as petty as picking on someone just because they happened to make a thread that hasn't died or gone to sleep yet.
http://i.imgur.com/GeAHvYls.png

Mcjon01
October 20th, 2013, 10:07 PM
Listen, I don't want to argue, I just want TomPen94 to know that he crushed my soul and I can't feel happiness anymore. Obviously I can't control what thread people want to post in.

Reiu
October 20th, 2013, 10:11 PM
I just want TomPen94 to know that he crushed my soul and I can't feel happiness anymore.
Your avatar makes that sentence very unconvincing. :P

Lycodrake
October 20th, 2013, 10:13 PM
You're both extremely petty. Not as petty as me, but still pretty petty.
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the pettiest of them all?

Paitouch
October 20th, 2013, 10:17 PM
Okay, I guess I lose to you in pettiness, Lyco.

Nihilm
October 20th, 2013, 10:18 PM
Listen, I don't want to argue, I just want TomPen94 to know that he crushed my soul and I can't feel happiness anymore. Obviously I can't control what thread people want to post in.

Crawling in my skin....

Lycodrake
October 20th, 2013, 10:21 PM
Okay, I guess I lose to you in pettiness, Lyco.
Sure, http://i.imgur.com/Rpscf8L.gif .

Paitouch
October 20th, 2013, 10:23 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Rpscf8L.gif

마자

Onionne
October 20th, 2013, 11:16 PM
Tsukihime's story had a better flow, but F/SN's distinct characters and their respective conflicts, coupled with its unique universe, made its story more memorable for me.

You
October 20th, 2013, 11:41 PM
Tsukihime's story had a better flow, but F/SN's distinct characters and their respective conflicts, coupled with its unique universe, made its story more memorable for me.
... the funny thing is that it's the same universe. :O

ItsaRandomUsername
October 20th, 2013, 11:43 PM
Same setting, different focus.

Elf
October 21st, 2013, 12:43 AM
I like Tsukhime's story better because vampires and horror, however I like Fate's characters overall more.

But the romance in Tsukhime was handled better for the most part.

Altina
October 21st, 2013, 02:09 AM
F/SN had better fight scenes on the whole and had better highs when compared to Tsukihime. However in between the fight scenes, F/SN had downright boring daily interaction, putting the player off for a while. I felt that Tsukihime had a better atmosphere, and felt more complete. Though, in terms of storyline, Tsukihime felt more self contained, as Eclipse ended off on a better note as compared to Last Episode. So I would say that Tsukihime was a better story even though F/SN was more flashy and felt more impressive.

The Geek
October 21st, 2013, 02:49 AM
I'll need to finish Tsuki before I make my final vote. Probably reread F/SN too, cuz my memory of it is a little foggy.

Parap
October 21st, 2013, 03:01 AM
Tsukihime had me hooked from start to end. FSN on the other hand, had parts where I stopped for a while, mostly in the fate route.

Renko
October 21st, 2013, 04:32 AM
Dunno. Both are fine I guess. But I really like Fate/Zero more! :ciel:

TomPen94
October 21st, 2013, 06:20 AM
Listen, I don't want to argue, I just want TomPen94 to know that he crushed my soul and I can't feel happiness anymore. Obviously I can't control what thread people want to post in.

Aye, got it. Now what?

Huitante
October 21st, 2013, 06:57 AM
I find them rather difficult to compare.


http://i44.tinypic.com/2ltpxsh.jpg

Spartacus is amazing. He explodes and has such a great smile. In fact, the best thing from that artwork of him got cropped off here. I mean the stretched out hand.

mAc Chaos
October 21st, 2013, 06:05 PM
He looks very friendly.

Kind of like my avatar.

Leftovers
October 21st, 2013, 06:10 PM
Look at that Colgate smile. Such a fun-loving grin can't possibly conceal any malice.

Blacklyra
October 21st, 2013, 09:35 PM
Everything can be excused in the name of fun.

Onionne
October 21st, 2013, 11:30 PM
... the funny thing is that it's the same universe. :O

Ooops, yeah, I meant that F/SN was more on magic and Tsukihime on vampires, and personally I prefer how the former was handled.

mewarmo990
October 22nd, 2013, 01:40 AM
IMO as a whole, Tsukihime, but Fate has more interesting/compelling characters.

It's hard to say anyway. My impressions of both are so muddled by years of other often-not-serious material... after you read/play all the extra stuff it's hard to remember that Tsukihime is supposed to be SUPER SERIOUS VAMPIRE STORY

Mcjon01
October 22nd, 2013, 01:46 AM
I must have liked Tsukihime better, because when I played it I ended up going an entire day without eating and didn't realize it until it was 9PM and I suddenly noticed that I felt really sick, and that didn't happen when I played FSN.

Parap
October 22nd, 2013, 03:22 AM
I don't think thats normally supposed to happen.

aldeayeah
October 22nd, 2013, 06:32 AM
The same droning music playing all the time and the near blind Monet backgrounds do that to you.

This remake is going to ruin the Tsukihime experience. I've been saying it for a while.

Keyne
October 22nd, 2013, 06:42 AM
Although you have to repeat a lot of scenes in tsuki's gameplay, I must say the story was a bit more interesting. Especially the far side routes.

noni66
December 16th, 2015, 02:37 PM
i hate to admit it but FSN was quite better, the only thing i liked in Tsukihime is Shiki and Akiha

Prinz
December 16th, 2015, 04:54 PM
though question

FSN is simply much more based on flashy fight scenes, being a hero and so on

and Tsukihime is almost completely about the human drama


they both have their strong points and are so fundamentally different that I can't decide

retrospectively FSN was a more intense experience because it is as a VN just so much better presented, but that's it.

FrozenDragon150
December 16th, 2015, 05:13 PM
This thread sure is civilized.

I miss the flame wars at Gbatemp and the Shin Megami Tensei GameFAQs boards :(

Skull
December 16th, 2015, 05:21 PM
Hmm, I'd go with Tsukihime. Mainly for personal preferences.

The characters, the story etc.

Yoyomaster
December 16th, 2015, 10:02 PM
Why are these '13 threads coming back to life?

Rokudaime
December 16th, 2015, 10:21 PM
I like Tsukihime, but FSN wins by miles for me.

Marmadillo
December 17th, 2015, 04:27 AM
Fate, but I'm still readying for a tsukihime reread since I remember shit about it.

TomPen94
December 17th, 2015, 01:16 PM
Dunno.

Legit dunno.

- - - Updated - - -

Oh, this is the thread where I decided never to create another thread ever again. Dayum, time flies...

And I retracted my vote cuz my opinion changed slightly.

Bloble
December 17th, 2015, 01:20 PM
I like Tsuki more for its sheer insanity, but FSN is overall the better experience, especially when you take into account the production values. It actually had a soundtrack for one.

TomPen94
December 17th, 2015, 01:31 PM
tsuki did too

just
not a good one

(honestly you should just pick 12 appropriate tracks from others sources and replace the audio files)

Track 8 remains untouched.

TomPen94
December 17th, 2015, 02:12 PM
Touché

ThePenguin888
December 19th, 2015, 04:08 PM
Well, now that I finished Tsukihime I can give my 2 cents, but this subject is incredibly subjective.
IMO, neither story is better but I like Fate much better, the reasons are that Fate is more battle oriented which is a plus for me because I love fights.
I also find the concept of the HGW extremely interesting and the whole concept of shirou dealing with his ideals kept me glued to the screen while Tsukihime didn't really do it for me.
Also, personally I liked the characters in Fate more, not to say the characters in Tsuki are bad but Fate made me care for the characters more and actually had me shedding tears more than once.
The main fault in Tsukihime IMO is that alot of material is being repeated in the 5 routes (Ciel and Arcueid are like 70% identical) and by the time I got to hisui's routes I felt like I pretty much know everything and just seeing an altered version of the previous route, while Fate did a great job making each route a completely different story arc that deals with completely different things with almost no scenes being re-used between routes.