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Jacktheinfinite101
June 25th, 2014, 10:32 PM
So we are still kicking even after Hollowgate, Dozenagent has an 80.6% patch he's ready to put out.

Now both GameCreater and I have made efforts to get rid of links to our patches, having them removed from sites and having mods scub links to them on the thread, but the fact does remain that they were put out there so this begs an important question: what do we do for future releases?

On one hand, we can stick with Ranmafan's way of doing it and include only the parts that are validated, but on the other hand, people aren't going to want to play that since they have patches with more content. So the question is, should we put the other 19.4% that's unvalidated into this next release? We could also design the patch in a way where it doesn't have the unvalidated content, but if you put it over one of the leaked patches, it won't override those scenes.

The choice is yours.

SINIB
June 25th, 2014, 10:38 PM
I think with the leaked patch, we should try to mainly increase validation levels.

orangetunes
June 25th, 2014, 11:33 PM
Don't concern yourselves with HA anymore, it isn't worth it considering most of the neckbeards on 4chins have already acquired and circulated the two patches. Jack, please just focus on RN and forget everything else.

koyuukekkai
June 25th, 2014, 11:43 PM
I think we can just wait for the content to be entirely validated. I you really are going to put out a partial patch anyway then I don't think it'll be useful unless it gets enough impact to replace the leaked patch by sheer influence on people's mind, like, for example, if you manage to be able to post it on TLwiki.

Mcjon01
June 25th, 2014, 11:48 PM
ITT people delusional enough to think ranmafan will ever come back and validate things again

Kotonoha
June 26th, 2014, 12:11 AM
Don't concern yourselves with HA anymore, it isn't worth it considering most of the neckbeards on 4chins have already acquired and circulated the two patches. Jack, please just focus on RN and forget everything else.
He's trapped in HFell so it's understandable that he is looking for distractions.

SeiKeo
June 26th, 2014, 12:41 AM
It's funny that you called it Hollowgate because of leaks. Pretty much.

aldeayeah
June 26th, 2014, 02:16 AM
Release with all the unvalidated crap, the damage is already done.

Make it so that a different icon shows up in the top map for unvalidated scenes, like untranslated scenes in release 3.1. (http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Fate/Hollow_Ataraxia#June_30.2C_2012)

Azure289
June 26th, 2014, 02:30 AM
Just release it unvalidated and move on to other things. This project has been going on since I started high school YEARS AGO, and ranma fan just up and left so yeah, I'll have kids and be middle aged before this thing is complete.

No offense, I'm just saying.

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 06:14 AM
Meh, just release it with the unvalidated translation, the ship to keep that out of the recent patch has sailed.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 26th, 2014, 06:22 AM
Some people seem to be confused on the situation here so let me explain. Ranmafan, last I heard, was trying to get time to meet with the Entrans team or somthing this week, buuuuut I guess he couldn't find the time.

But that's not important. Ranmafan or not, we're getting it finished. Dozenagent has been working on Hollow directly from the script files so we're gonna make this shit presentable. I'm currently seeing if I can get permission to have Dozenagent's patches linked on Ranmafan's OP in the TL thread.

castor212
June 26th, 2014, 06:28 AM
My 2 cents is I would wait no matter how long it is to have a completely validated patch (or until I finished my Jap reading course), but I'll take the most complete the staff can offer and still be very much grateful.

I like the idea of marking the invalidated section.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 26th, 2014, 06:28 AM
Side note: if you were one of the 630 people who downloaded my link, I fucked up and put the wrong patch up, that one will crash if you try to view a certain scene, so I'd get rid of it.

Riesbyfe
June 26th, 2014, 07:44 AM
You should've put patch that will crash on any scene those disgraceful people will read.

terraablaze
June 26th, 2014, 07:45 AM
Can we forbid anyone from calling it Hollowgate?

Kat
June 26th, 2014, 08:00 AM
Release the full thing when it's done (when I'm 67), don't half ass it.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 26th, 2014, 08:00 AM
Thinking it over, I asked the wrong question. Sure this is an important question, but a better question is should we even do any partial patches or just wait to do another release until we are done?

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 08:02 AM
Can we forbid anyone from calling it Hollowgate?

yes please, we don't need to call everything x-gate.

Kat
June 26th, 2014, 08:02 AM
Full patch once.

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 08:04 AM
Thinking it over, I asked the wrong question. Sure this is an important question, but a better question is should we even do any partial patches or just wait to do another release until we are done?

I say release the partial patches as well unless doing so is actually significant work, if it's basically zip, upload done in like 45 minutes, I don't see why not.

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 08:34 AM
Can we forbid anyone from calling it Hollowgate?

After some thinking I motion we call it the president Ataraxia assassination.

Gamecreator shot FHA from a hill of swords, was there a second leaker, who knows?
(It mainly only works due to the 3 initials)

Atleast that is better than mimicking bittergate.

Rafflesiac
June 26th, 2014, 08:37 AM
I say we call it as it is.

The birth of a Hero.

6/20/2014: A Hero is Born

Kat
June 26th, 2014, 08:39 AM
Gamecreator shot FHA from a hill of swords, was there a second leaker, who knows?
(It mainly only works due to the 3 initials)




There is no second bowman.

Mcjon01
June 26th, 2014, 08:41 AM
mimicking bittergate.
You fuckin' kidding me?

Kat
June 26th, 2014, 08:49 AM
What if gamecreater16 is C_V? *conspiracykeanureeves.jpg*

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 08:50 AM
You fuckin' kidding me?

huh, I do know what watergate is if that's what you mean, I am just saying people are calling it hollowgate because the last big drama was called somethinggate instead of as a reference.

Mcjon01
June 26th, 2014, 09:08 AM
huh, I do know what watergate is if that's what you mean, I am just saying people are calling it hollowgate because the last big drama was called somethinggate instead of as a reference.
No, they're calling it Hollowgate because attaching "gate" to scandals is a cultural meme. I mean, it's really, really pervasive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 09:10 AM
No, they're calling it Hollowgate because attaching "gate" to scandals is a cultural meme. I mean, it's really, really pervasive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix

huh, I honestly didn't know it was that pervasive, I had seen it before, but still, well the more you know I guess.

Daiki
June 26th, 2014, 10:07 AM
RELEASE EVERYTHING.

Trubo
June 26th, 2014, 11:40 AM
Release with all the unvalidated crap, the damage is already done.

Make it so that a different icon shows up in the top map for unvalidated scenes, like untranslated scenes in release 3.1. (http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Fate/Hollow_Ataraxia#June_30.2C_2012)

Was about to post the same thing myself. I'll still be waiting for the fully validated version (I'm assuming Jack is going to take over Ranma for this) but would prefer RN to be finished just so people aren't split between two different projects when one project should be finished, at most, a month.

Dozenagent
June 26th, 2014, 12:18 PM
I was just thinking about embracing the chaos and releasing a patch w/ everything every week until it was done.

Astapunk
June 26th, 2014, 01:08 PM
Just wanted to say that I'm ready to help for anything except the translation...since I don't speak Japanese.

Hen_Ichi
June 26th, 2014, 01:51 PM
For those of us to who still believe I believe I shall vote for

"Fuck you ungrateful sods, it ain't coming till its fucking well done."

Mcjon01
June 26th, 2014, 01:53 PM
Set it up to automatically compile and publish a new version of the patch every ten minutes in realtime as you work on it.

Frostedflakes
June 26th, 2014, 01:56 PM
No, they're calling it Hollowgate because attaching "gate" to scandals is a cultural meme. I mean, it's really, really pervasive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix

Huh interesting. I know watergate was but did not know about adding 'gate' at the end of things was popular.

SINIB
June 26th, 2014, 01:57 PM
Huh interesting. I know watergate was but did not know about adding 'gate' at the end of things was popular.
Seriously, how do people not know this!

Nihilm
June 26th, 2014, 02:07 PM
Seriously, how do people not know this!

Well honestly I had not even heard of a lot of these things on that wiki page as scandals, like that SP episode, also it's obviously only a thing that is actually popular in english speaking countries and I don't go out of my way to read all the news on US scandals.

Mackus
June 26th, 2014, 04:48 PM
I'd say release partial patches, include non-validated stuff (perhaps after fixing most atrocious mistranslations), and no need to make it compatible with leaked patch. That will not only be best on its own, it'll make leaked patch obsolete. If someone is too lazy to download patch directly from translators, he deserves shitty patch - you just don't download things from questionable sources unless you want viruses to delete your porn folder... or send it to your mom.

aldeayeah
June 26th, 2014, 05:46 PM
Release early, release often. Every time a new bunch of scenes is cleaned up, post a new version. That way you'll take pressure off yourselves.

Dozenagent
June 26th, 2014, 06:01 PM
Release early, release often. Every time a new bunch of scenes is cleaned up, post a new version. That way you'll take pressure off yourselves.

This... would make my life a lot easier.


Set it up to automatically compile and publish a new version of the patch every ten minutes in realtime as you work on it.

Don't tempt me.


Just wanted to say that I'm ready to help for anything except the translation...since I don't speak Japanese.

If we go with frequent updates, you can go through the validated/edited parts and report issues. There's still typos, object name/description inconsistencies, confusing & badly worded sections, etc.

carlos_96
June 26th, 2014, 10:53 PM
I know that im going to ask something so stupid but what means to validate a patch? If only the 80 % is validated, whats wrong with the other 20 %?

Mcjon01
June 26th, 2014, 11:00 PM
whats wrong with the other 20 %?
It's not validated.

Kotonoha
June 26th, 2014, 11:26 PM
I know that im going to ask something so stupid but what means to validate a patch? If only the 80 % is validated, whats wrong with the other 20 %?
People have submitted translations for all the text, but 20% of that hasn't undergone any checking to make sure that it's not just the work of someone who tossed the text into Google Translate.

SINIB
June 27th, 2014, 12:45 AM
People have submitted translations for all the text, but 20% of that hasn't undergone any checking to make sure that it's not just the work of someone who tossed the text into Google Translate.
I don't think we have any pure google translate nonsense(I got Ilya database feel von Aintsuberun from Illyasviel Von Einzbern today), but it still is pretty bad

lucks993
June 27th, 2014, 02:16 AM
Took some time to know what was happening, so..... it would be better if the future releases doesn't have the invalid content. But what i don't understand is if the translation will stop or it will take more time. And in wich post will it be released, or it will be in the TLWiki page?

Jacktheinfinite101
June 27th, 2014, 02:27 AM
There's pretty much no Google Translate left or mostly none because I read through FHA with shitty TL so I pointed out the worst offenders, but just because something doesn't look wrong doesn't mean it isn't.

lucks993
June 27th, 2014, 02:38 AM
Mmm.....if it will not corrupt the whole game, and time by time announce there will be some corrections, then it's okay to release it, i guess. Also, thank you Jack and the rest of the people who are trying to finish the project.

Dozenagent
June 27th, 2014, 02:49 AM
I haven't reviewed a scene yet that didn't require a significant amount of fixes . Would be nice if some of the remaining ones were alright, but last time I assumed that, I got Karen II...
*I don't want to talk about it... ever

Jacktheinfinite101
June 27th, 2014, 04:42 AM
Caren II...............ew..........just ew.

- - - Updated - - -

Well it seems most don't want garbage in any future partial releases. I really should have asked if you guys even want partial releases instead or just want to wait for the finished patch.

Though with all of that said I'm trying to get Ranmafan's opinion on this as well so let's at least wait a bit and see if he gets back.

Astapunk
June 27th, 2014, 06:57 AM
This... would make my life a lot easier.



Don't tempt me.



If we go with frequent updates, you can go through the validated/edited parts and report issues. There's still typos, object name/description inconsistencies, confusing & badly worded sections, etc.



So I'll have to play every scene of the patch you'll release and post here every single thing that's seems wrong ?
I think I can do this, but you should also ask this to a bunch of people, like this we'll be sure that I didn't miss anything.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 27th, 2014, 06:58 AM
So I'll have to play every scene of the patch you'll release and post here every single thing that's seems wrong ?
I think I can do this, but you should also ask this to a bunch of people, like this we'll be sure that I didn't miss anything.

If we're working off Entrans, which it seems we are, I can volunteer my services to editing when I am done with RN. But FYI, I'm going to take it slow until the TL is fully ready because damn I've wasted too much of this summer reading porn games as it is.

Quibi
June 27th, 2014, 08:24 AM
I'm glad most people don't want a non-validated version.
If you want I could probably set up a new entrans site, but if we only have like 20% then maybe it's not worth it.
Heck we have a new FHA vita preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGnUKT4cN0

Now that's what I'm waiting for.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 27th, 2014, 08:25 AM
I'm glad most people don't want a non-validated version.
If you want I could probably set up a new entrans site, but if we only have like 20% then maybe it's not worth it.
Heck we have a new FHA vita preview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haGnUKT4cN0

Now that's what I'm waiting for.

Does that mean you can help me with possibly getting the voices?

Because if you can unpack the files I will build a shrine to you

Dozenagent
June 27th, 2014, 08:30 AM
Though with all of that said I'm trying to get Ranmafan's opinion on this as well so let's at least wait a bit and see if he gets back.

That's actually why this wasn't released on Tuesday. Would still like him to come back, would happily hand over everything we've got to him immediately.

Quibi
June 27th, 2014, 09:26 AM
Does that mean you can help me with possibly getting the voices?

Because if you can unpack the files I will build a shrine to you
Didn't we already say that getting the vita voices is only possible through recording?
I can help with inserting them into the game and setting up a voice config menu.

Jacktheinfinite101
June 27th, 2014, 10:19 AM
ATM that's how it is, but dude, that would be hell and the chances of us keeping a stable project together with that would be unlikely. So it would be much better if we find a way to rip the files out of the game and use them.

...fucking cheap ass VN's that don't sell enough to warrant a release on a disc based console!

Commander Raze
July 3rd, 2014, 02:42 PM
Side note: if you were one of the 630 people who downloaded my link, I fucked up and put the wrong patch up, that one will crash if you try to view a certain scene, so I'd get rid of it.

There are actually two scenes like that.

*cough*

Mcjon01
July 3rd, 2014, 02:52 PM
There are actually two scenes like that.

*cough*
Rin and Sakura H-scenes, right? I'm suuure that's just an accident!

Kat
July 3rd, 2014, 05:43 PM
^^^There must be a way, right, even if costly?

Commander Raze
July 3rd, 2014, 08:14 PM
Rin and Sakura H-scenes, right? I'm suuure that's just an accident!
:ciel:

^^^There must be a way, right, even if costly?
Eh. Someone will eventually crack the vita. They always crack the new systems.

Skyler
July 4th, 2014, 01:41 AM
also does nobody on a Nasuverse forum have any native japanese friends. I would think validation could be pretty easy if we just had a few native speakers confirm things, and the last thing I'd expect is for NOBODY here to have native japanese or japanese immigrant friends

Mcjon01
July 4th, 2014, 08:33 AM
What means "friend"? Do not understand.

Canon
July 4th, 2014, 11:14 AM
validation could be pretty easy if we just had a few native speakers confirm things

Ha ha ha ha

Siriel
July 4th, 2014, 11:47 AM
I would think validation could be pretty easy if we just had a few native speakers confirm things

If you think that first language to second language is going to be easier than second language to first language, I don't know what to tell you except "No.".

Daiki
July 4th, 2014, 12:34 PM
I would think validation could be pretty easy if we just had a few native speakers confirm things

Somewhere in the world, there is an editor hiding under his pillow and cursing your and commie existence.

SakuraFish
July 24th, 2014, 01:54 AM
So I've been gone. For a long, long time. The last time i was here my PC's GPU fan bearing was on it's last legs. I have since built another rig, and just recently decided to move all of my data from said old PC's HDD onto a larger one in my new rig. During the process, i noticed the FHA VN being transferred over and it reminded me that i should drop by and see what's up; seeing as how the last patch i had was over 2 years old. I nearly came when i saw the 100% TL'd and almost did again when i saw how much was validated. I checked out the BL forum link, and much to my surprise the thread had been closed!

So I read. I read, and I read some more. Finally caught up shortly before writing this post.

Holy Shit. Hoooooooolllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeey shiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeet. I wish I was here when it happened. My sides would have most likely have had irreversible damage. I commend gamecreator for not only releasing his patch, but for attempting to eradicate it's existence from the internet when he realized he went and did it without the team's permission.

I've noticed also a few other patches popping up, but the link on the TLwiki page still goes to the closed thread. Is there going to be an agreement between the staff on which patch is going to be "official"? I decided to stick with Jack just because of the history he has with this project. Validations aside, I think an update should be made on the TLwiki since that page is what greets the broader audience first. If there is a way to contact the group that runs the FHA tlwiki page on either updating the forum link or updating the current progress/status of the validations. Like i said, only if there is going to be an agreement on whose patch is going to be official.

If the team truly has decided to let the project die and let gamecreator's patch take over, I guess i will have to go with his but if Jack and his team can push out a better one (i've heard there are still scenes missing in gamecreator's patch, not sure since i didn't download it) I'd prefer to stay with his.

Here's to progress and hope to see an update soon.

Cheers.

Jacktheinfinite101
July 24th, 2014, 01:56 AM
So I've been gone. For a long, long time. The last time i was here my PC's GPU fan bearing was on it's last legs. I have since built another rig, and just recently decided to move all of my data from said old PC's HDD onto a larger one in my new rig. During the process, i noticed the FHA VN being transferred over and it reminded me that i should drop by and see what's up; seeing as how the last patch i had was over 2 years old. I nearly came when i saw the 100% TL'd and almost did again when i saw how much was validated. I checked out the BL forum link, and much to my surprise the thread had been closed!

So I read. I read, and I read some more. Finally caught up shortly before writing this post.

Holy Shit. Hoooooooolllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeey shiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeet. I wish I was here when it happened. My sides would have most likely have had irreversible damage. I commend gamecreator for not only releasing his patch, but for attempting to eradicate it's existence from the internet when he realized he went and did it without the team's permission.

I've noticed also a few other patches popping up, but the link on the TLwiki page still goes to the closed thread. Is there going to be an agreement between the staff on which patch is going to be "official"? I decided to stick with Jack just because of the history he has with this project. Validations aside, I think an update should be made on the TLwiki since that page is what greets the broader audience first. If there is a way to contact the group that runs the FHA tlwiki page on either updating the forum link or updating the current progress/status of the validations. Like i said, only if there is going to be an agreement on whose patch is going to be official.

If the team truly has decided to let the project die and let gamecreator's patch take over, I guess i will have to go with his but if Jack and his team can push out a better one (i've heard there are still scenes missing in gamecreator's patch, not sure since i didn't download it) I'd prefer to stay with his.

Here's to progress and hope to see an update soon.

Cheers.

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5046-Fate-Hollow-Ataraxia-Translation-Patches

Commander Raze
July 24th, 2014, 10:19 AM
sakura's fish just necroed

that fucking meme

Kat
July 24th, 2014, 12:38 PM
If the team truly has decided to let the project die and let gamecreator's patch take over, I guess i will have to go with his but if Jack and his team can push out a better one (i've heard there are still scenes missing in gamecreator's patch, not sure since i didn't download it) I'd prefer to stay with his.




Who would let a shitty patch reign supreme?

Dozenagent
July 24th, 2014, 01:21 PM
I have never been so deeply, and profoundly, confused before. It's exhilarating.

SakuraFish
July 27th, 2014, 06:24 AM
Who would let a shitty patch reign supreme?

I wish that mentality can be shared with the people who are/were translating the Majikoi VN's.

Yandere still has the Miyako route stuck at 85% for the past 3 years or so.

Pun-kun @ Wairu hasn't updated in close to a year on Majikoi A/S.

What little Moonrunes i do know are nowhere near enough to get me by. ;__;