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RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:22 PM
Comments/Author's Notes: So, this here is an old one-shot I posted to the ASuki FSN Fanfiction thread way back when, and pretty much left it to the mercy of others. I debated bringing it over to BL, but it happens to be a one-shot I'm rather proud of for some reason or another. So, here you go.


Sunlight

He wasn’t supposed to notice her.

It had been nearly two years. For two years, he had been with Sakura; he had been Sakura’s boyfriend, he had had sex with Sakura, she had lived with him ever since the War had ended. She was, in all likelihood, the woman he would one day marry. Taiga was already planning the wedding, he was sure of it (she’d been dropping hints lately, ever since they had graduated…).

He had gone through Hell to save her. He had literally walked in the valley of death, and only the sacrifice of the closest thing he’d ever had to a younger sister had saved his life, given him a chance to live with Sakura the way he had wanted to when he had stood before the womb, more machine than human.

Emiya Shirou, after going through everything he had to grant Matou Sakura happiness and stay by her side for the rest of their lives, wasn’t supposed to notice Tohsaka Rin.

Sakura’s older sister. The magus who had guided him through the start of the War; the girl who had been his companion and support, who in the end had proven that her golden heart was far too kind even for her own good. She was as much a contradiction as she was a mystery.

And Shirou noticed her.

Oh, how he noticed her.

Sometimes, he didn’t know if he ever wanted to stop noticing her.

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If Shirou blamed anything for it, he blamed the fact that Rin was like the sun.

She blazed. She burned. She blasted through anything with no apologies, a surge of black and red even now, after two years. Her light blue eyes held no promises and told no regrets. She smelled of the sky and the wind, and despite how firmly she kept herself in check, she was everything wild and natural about being a magus. Even when she was still, even when she was focused and calm, her whole being seemed to vibrate, to throb, with warm energy.

(If you had asked him, Shirou would have said he loved watching her the most when she was reading, hunched over a book, her long black hair spilling all around her, a pair of glasses perched on her nose. He found something incredibly sexy about how composed she looked when he could still feel the energy racing through her blood.)

Rin was like the sun, and she burned. Shirou sometimes felt if he got too close to her, he’d turn into ash.

The problem was, if Rin was like the sun, then she was also light; the sun to Sakura’s moon, the light to her darkness.

Shirou loved Sakura. He loved every part of her; and that meant loving her darkness, knowing her darkness, viewing the darkness almost like a second lover. But there was something oddly enthralling, incredibly pulling, about the light that shone on him whenever her sister was in his house.

Shirou was a man who would chase light, even if he loved the darkness. And if Rin was the light, then it meant he would chase her.

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Many times, Shirou contemplated getting far, far away from Rin.

Physically, distance was impossible. Rin was Sakura’s sister, and Sakura lived with him; it was only natural, then, that the heir of Tohsaka would come to his house whenever she was home, to visit or to spend a few nights. Trying to keep a physical distance from Rin would have been like trying to keep a cat from eating a fat canary that was out of its cage.

The next logical step, then, was to emotionally establish a distance; to be friendly, to be kind, but to not interact too much at all, or not let that interaction get too deep. So Shirou had done that, in the beginning.

At first, it had been easy; Rin had seemed to share his thoughts, somehow, as she also did her best to avoid emotionally connecting with him more than they were already connected. They were friendly, but otherwise reserved with each other, open but with some doors firmly closed.

They had interacted that way for awhile, and it had been easy.

Then Shirou had noticed: they just seemed to naturally drift to each other. He would get up to cook while Sakura set the table, and Rin would already have an apron on, scooting over to give him space, their elbows touching as they worked. She would be reading a book in the living room, one of her huge magus tomes, and he would peer over her shoulder, curious. It wasn’t even something they did consciously; they just somehow ended up that way, time and time again.

Shirou loved Sakura (he was certain he did), and Rin wouldn’t gun for the one thing that had given her sister true happiness, but it just happened. They were naturally attracted to each other somehow, in someway. Trying to ignore it and get away from it was like telling the ocean to stop rolling in waves.

One day, while cooking, he glanced at her cautiously; golden eyes met light blue, her shyly peeking at him from under her bangs. For a moment, they gazed at each other.

He sighed and slumped. Shaking his head with a small, cooked smile, he went back to work.

He didn’t see her, but he could have sworn he heard her laugh, and it made his chest feel odd and warm.

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In retrospect, Shirou should have probably seen this coming.

He didn’t know how he had ended up kissing Rin, or why he was kissing Rin, or how long he had been kissing Rin. They had been alone in the house; Rin was visiting, and Taiga had whisked Sakura away for shopping, or cooking, or whatever, Shirou currently couldn’t remember.

She had been reading, he knew that much. Sitting there with her legs folded, her glasses on, all focused and cool and calm, and somehow he had felt silly and lively and curious, and with all the innocence of a school boy he had reached over and plucked off her glasses. She’d looked up, and they’d stared at each other, and he had grinned; her eyes had slowly narrowed.

The chase had commenced then. She had pursued him through the hallway, out into the yard, back into the living room, and in the back of his mind he had admired her ability to keep up with him for so long. Finally they had ended up in the kitchen, his back against the counter, her hands firmly braced on both sides of him, so the only way he could escape was shoving past her. Her glasses hung between his fingers; they were both panting, their faces red, their eyes gleaming and lively, and she was smiling, actually smiling, and somehow he didn’t know how, but he had thought it was the most beautiful thing he had seen in a long while, and he had kissed her.

And she had kissed him back.

She had been warm and soft, she had tasted sweet and wet and everything he had ever dreamed, everything he had ever imagined her to be, and the real thing completely destroyed his dreams and imagination. Her glasses had clattered forgotten to the floor as she pressed up against him, her fingers running through his short hair, his sliding up her back and tangling in the long, silky black locks. They kissed each other desperately, hungrily, like it was the first and last time.

And then, in shifting, one of them—he didn’t know who it was—had stepped on her abandoned glasses.

The crunch of glass brought them both back to reality, but they didn’t jump apart; still holding on tightly, they just stared at each other, trembling, stunned. Very slowly, Shirou let go; getting the hint, Rin backed up, taking a deep, shaking breath as she reached down and grabbed her glasses, sliding them into her hair.

Silence hung between them for a long, awkward moment.

Finally, Shirou swallowed. “That was….” He gulped again. His throat was dry; his tongue wouldn’t work. “Tohsaka.”

She looked at him, and in that moment he was struck, truly struck, by how deep and blue her eyes were. He felt as if he could drown in those eyes; he felt that if he touched her now, she would shatter.

He licked his lips. The words sprang up his throat, pressed against his lips, but they wouldn’t come out. “Tohsaka, I—“

“Shirou—“

The front door slammed open. “We’re home!” Taiga practically sang out, bouncing in the house. “We got really good meat cheap, Shirou! I expect a feast tonight!”

Snapping back once more, he smiled weakly at the grin on his former teacher’s face, the blaze in her eyes. Sakura hovered beside her, her eyes soft and a smile on her lips already, as if the sight of him alone gave her peace.

Out of the corner of his eye, he saw Rin slide her glasses back on, her hair spilling across those blue eyes that had struck him to his core.

And for some reason, he could have sworn his heart cracked, just a little bit.

“Welcome home. Did you cause any trouble for Sakura again, Fuji-nee?”

Erlkonig
May 24th, 2011, 11:25 PM
...Beautiful.

Alulim
May 24th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Nice.

ItsaRandomUsername
May 24th, 2011, 11:27 PM
There was something somehow lovely about this, but I can't put my finger on what it is exactly...

Theocrass
May 24th, 2011, 11:28 PM
Very well-written, but the thought of this ... secret kiss makes me uncomfortable.

Erlkonig
May 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM
Very well-written, but the thought of this ... secret kiss makes me uncomfortable.

Indeed. Sakura's very considerate, either way. She'll get a bit upset, sure, but I'm sure she wouldn't mind a threesome >:3

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:30 PM
Very well-written, but the thought of this ... secret kiss makes me uncomfortable.

You aren't the only one. XD I've entertained writing up a continuation for it, but... I think it stands well enough on its own. You can decide how it ends.

Elf
May 24th, 2011, 11:31 PM
I like the story, but I think it's rather sad, especially on Rin's part.

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:33 PM
I like the story, but I think it's rather sad, especially on Rin's part.

Heh. For me, admittedly, that's part of the fun. I like doing stories like this, for some reason.

I think that makes me an evil person.

Erlkonig
May 24th, 2011, 11:34 PM
I think that makes me an evil person.

Not true. People may write tragedies but can be good people at the same time.

Theocrass
May 24th, 2011, 11:34 PM
^^ No, no it doesn't.

Just a sadistic one. ;~;

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:37 PM
I admit to being a teensy bit sadistic~

But, you know. I've always been fascinated by the thought of a Rin/Shirou/Sakura love triangle, since HF True mentions Rin is in love with Shirou. So much story potential there.

Alulim
May 24th, 2011, 11:37 PM
I think that makes me an evil person.

I plan to write (am writing) a tragic story, but everyone knows that I am all cuddly and stuff on the inside~

Theocrass
May 24th, 2011, 11:40 PM
So very cuddly~

*Huggles him.*

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:42 PM
*huggles the cuddly*

Theocrass
May 24th, 2011, 11:43 PM
Group huggles~

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:46 PM
I like group huggles~

ItsaRandomUsername
May 24th, 2011, 11:47 PM
^o^

Alulim
May 24th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Uwaaaa~ Fun time!

RadiantBeam
May 24th, 2011, 11:55 PM
Fun group time?

Lotus Saint
May 24th, 2011, 11:57 PM
*claps*
My my, I rather enjoyed this.

RadiantBeam
May 25th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Glad you enjoyed. ^^

Honestly, I was nervous about bringing this fic over. I wasn't sure how it would be received. I'm even debating if I should put it up on FF.net at this rate.

Techlet
May 25th, 2011, 07:02 AM
That was very nice. But the thought of a Shirou/Sakura/Rin love triangle makes me sad.

A Shirou/Sakura/Rin threesome on the other hand... :D

Neir
May 25th, 2011, 10:08 AM
This was excellently written. Very nice. And even better before the Mikestorm.

RadiantBeam
May 25th, 2011, 10:14 AM
He already gave his opinion of it on AS, so I doubt he'll bring it up again. He's made it clear he doesn't like the story and doesn't think it would ever happen. XD

amado
May 25th, 2011, 10:18 AM
its great. bittersweet is bitter but sweet. I like those stories.
and this is where it gets worse....

and I seem to be becoming a fan of unrequited love(or NTR I think, im not sure of the term). or at least where love has an obstacle that will remain forever even if they do break through.

Ergast
May 25th, 2011, 02:28 PM
Very well-written, but the thought of this ... secret kiss makes me uncomfortable.

AS much as I like ShirouxRin I felt the same as Theocrass. It's beautiful, and very well-written, but Sakura doesn't deserve this so...


So very cuddly~

*Huggles him.*


*huggles the cuddly*


Group huggles~


I like group huggles~

*tackle hug the group*

HU~~GS!

Mike1984
May 25th, 2011, 03:11 PM
Yeah, that's basically how I think about it. I don't see it happening (neither Rin nor Shirou would do such a thing) and I dislike the way it describes her as the "light" to Sakura's "dark".

Tobias
May 25th, 2011, 03:22 PM
that was an interesting read.

RadiantBeam
May 25th, 2011, 03:44 PM
A Shirou/Sakura/Rin threesome on the other hand... :D

....

Don't tempt me to continue this, I swear.


AS much as I like ShirouxRin I felt the same as Theocrass. It's beautiful, and very well-written, but Sakura doesn't deserve this so...

Bad Ends for all!


*tackle hug the group*

HU~~GS!

YAY! *HUGS FOR ALL*


I dislike the way it describes her as the "light" to Sakura's "dark".

Meh, don't think on it too deeply. It was just a line I put in to keep up with the whole theme of Rin sort of being like sunlight, to Shirou, in comparison to Sakura, who would probably be, at my best guess, the equivalent of moonlight. Or something. I don't know.

Basically, throwaway line is throwaway, don't let it bug you too much.

Neir
May 25th, 2011, 10:39 PM
How about that any light from the moon is just reflected from the sun?

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But 4 srs, liked it. Bring over any other stuff you got.

amado
May 25th, 2011, 10:43 PM
I dont think a threesome can work in this fic.
since its aimed to be kinda bittersweet and dramatic.

you can start it in a diff fic though.

Mike1984
May 26th, 2011, 05:53 AM
And?

It's quite possible for the "tone" of a fic to change between chapters.

Personally, though, I don't much like the idea of a threesome post-HF, and I don't see it forming very easily due to Sakura's insecurities (which will vanish over time, but probably rather slowly). But, then again, I'd quite happily see one post-UBW, and I'm sure Rin fans would be equally opposed to that, so....

RadiantBeam
May 26th, 2011, 10:00 AM
I dont think a threesome can work in this fic.
since its aimed to be kinda bittersweet and dramatic.

you can start it in a diff fic though.

As Mike said, it would be easy enough to change the tone of the piece and make it work from there. I could even do a timeskip after this particular point and develop the possibility if it's obvious Rin and Shirou are doing their damned best to avoid each other after the whole thing, but are still attracted to each other.


Personally, though, I don't much like the idea of a threesome post-HF, and I don't see it forming very easily due to Sakura's insecurities (which will vanish over time, but probably rather slowly). But, then again, I'd quite happily see one post-UBW, and I'm sure Rin fans would be equally opposed to that, so....

Considering it's two years or so post-HF and Shirou went through hell and back for her, I'm sort of assuming that if Sakura still has any insecurities over the matter, they've either vanished or have become rather small, especially if she's been getting outside help to guide her in dealing with the abuse she suffered at Shinji's hands for so many years. I definitely see her in the beginning maybe not being completely willing at the thought, but the more she thinks about it, the more appealing it seems, or whatever.

aldw
May 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
I was thinking of something like this, but not only did you beat me too it, but the emotional ambiance was better presented too. Excellent piece in any event, and perhaps I should get back to restarting mine.

Altima of the Gates
May 27th, 2011, 06:24 PM
Indeed. Sakura's very considerate, either way. She'll get a bit upset, sure, but I'm sure she wouldn't mind a threesome >:3

Not sure about that, it is not really a facet of being "considerate" by sharing your lover. Even Rin was jealous of Saber a little in UBW Good.

Besides, this 'just happened', these feelings discussed, nor was it forewarned. And now they have some to be secretive over. This is a totally different situation from a willing threesome. What you are looking at would be more of a reluctant compromise.


But, then again, I'd quite happily see one post-UBW, and I'm sure Rin fans would be equally opposed to that, so....

That would be hypocritical. No one should be forced to compromise in a situation like that.


Considering it's two years or so post-HF and Shirou went through hell and back for her, I'm sort of assuming that if Sakura still has any insecurities over the matter, they've either vanished or have become rather small, especially if she's been getting outside help to guide her in dealing with the abuse she suffered at Shinji's hands for so many years. I definitely see her in the beginning maybe not being completely willing at the thought, but the more she thinks about it, the more appealing it seems, or whatever.

Doubtful, and this isn't me saying it could never happen, but at the situation they have here. Sure, Sakura will e stronger now, but if she did agree to it(which has a good chance to not happen), you can be sure that she would do it purely for Shirou and Rin, and still feel like the third wheel imo. Like the feelings Shirou seems to be expressing here, it seems like Sakura just "wasn't enough", there was a shining beacon of awesome he just had to get. That is what it kinda sounded like. Not to rain on the parade, but the likely way she'd feel about it is that she couldn't really capture his heart. It's easy to contemplate multiple partnerships, but harder to view them from a realistic viewpoint.

Though yes, it is very well written,the question is, how do the two explain themselves? Plus, how did Rider feel about it? A load of questions. *grins*

Elf
May 28th, 2011, 01:26 AM
You know how this is solved?

Find some way to summon Archer and give him to Rin.

Now everyone's happy.

ItsaRandomUsername
May 28th, 2011, 01:27 AM
Too bad SUPERJUSTICA!Illya's dead. :<

/not sure what he meant by this post, nor is he entirely that serious about what he wrote

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 01:30 AM
You know how this is solved?

Find some way to summon Archer and give him to Rin.

Now everyone's happy.

Except Rin's fans. Being paired with Archer is a punishment for characters you hate, remember?

Elf
May 28th, 2011, 01:33 AM
Except Rin's fans. Being paired with Archer is a punishment for characters you hate, remember?

I think you've mistaken Archer for Shinji. It's okay, we still love you.

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 01:35 AM
I speak only the truth.

Now a Shinji harem end, that would make everyone happy.

(Archer is not invited)

Ace
May 28th, 2011, 01:39 AM
foreveralone.jpg

Isn't it sad Archer-kun?

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 01:41 AM
He's very busy with his job as a Counter Guardian.

ringlhach
May 28th, 2011, 02:26 AM
Shinji x Gil x Ilya's heart x Worms; there's your harem end. /notserious After all, I'm not sure that the worms would share with anyone else.

Altima of the Gates
May 28th, 2011, 09:39 AM
You know how this is solved?

Find some way to summon Archer and give him to Rin.

Now everyone's happy.

Though you forget, we have a surviving Holy Grail.


Too bad SUPERJUSTICA!Illya's dead. :<

/not sure what he meant by this post, nor is he entirely that serious about what he wrote

Yeah.....


I speak only the truth.

Now a Shinji harem end, that would make everyone happy.

(Archer is not invited)

That would certainly make one person happy.

Neir
May 28th, 2011, 09:47 AM
That would certainly make one person happy.

Two people. Shinj and Koto. The harem being happy is disputable.

Mike1984
May 28th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Except Rin's fans. Being paired with Archer is a punishment for characters you hate, remember?

Not if Elf is suggesting it it's not. Plus, if she wants Shirou, but he's already taken, surely the logical thing to do is to summon a copy of him and give her that :p


I speak only the truth.

Now a Shinji harem end, that would make everyone happy.

No, no, it really wouldn't.

Sakura has spent the last three years being raped and tortured by the guy, Rin hates his guts and Rider also likely hates his guts for what he did to her and Sakura.


Two people. Shinj and Koto. The harem being happy is disputable.

Not really. Being "disputable" implies that there's some possibility that they would be happy which, unless this is an AU, is simply not true....

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 09:59 AM
I would doubt it went anywhere, honestly. If anything to me this was something of an apology. Shirou and purple head love each other, but that doesn't mean the way rin and shirou feel about each other have changed at all.

Altima of the Gates
May 28th, 2011, 10:05 AM
I would doubt it went anywhere, honestly. If anything to me this was something of an apology. Shirou and purple head love each other, but that doesn't mean the way rin and shirou feel about each other have changed at all.

I'll concede to that, rarely if ever do feelings come in clean cut 'this category' or 'that category'. As long as they are honest about it, there actually shouldn't be too many problems. Now, if they continue this in the shadows, then it goes to another level.

Mike1984
May 28th, 2011, 10:17 AM
I would doubt it went anywhere, honestly. If anything to me this was something of an apology. Shirou and purple head love each other, but that doesn't mean the way rin and shirou feel about each other have changed at all.

Well, yeah, that's true (although personally I dislike the idea that Shirou would still want Rin even when he's with Sakura).

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 10:17 AM
Not if Elf is suggesting it it's not. Plus, if she wants Shirou, but he's already taken, surely the logical thing to do is to summon a copy of him and give her that :p

Avenger it is, then.


No, no, it really wouldn't.

Would so, would so!

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Do I have to separate you two!?


Will turn this car around.....

DreamsRequiem
May 28th, 2011, 10:25 AM
Rider also likely hates his guts for what he did to her and Sakura.

Shinji did something to Rider? :mad:

Keyne
May 28th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Shinji did something to Rider? :mad:
Fate implies that he "trained" her somehow to make her listen.

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Repeatedly.

EDIT: it gets far more explicit then that keyne.

DreamsRequiem
May 28th, 2011, 10:29 AM
My hate for Shinji now becomes deeper.

Mike1984
May 28th, 2011, 11:09 AM
Shinji did something to Rider? :mad:

Well, put it this way.

A known rapist had an extremely beautiful girl as a servant, and further she was loyal to the sister he despises. What do you think?


Fate implies that he "trained" her somehow to make her listen.

IIRC, it's pretty much outright stated that he raped her (in UBW, I believe). Or, at least, that he had sex with her, and I can't imagine she'd have done it except under duress.

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 11:37 AM
Could any of you honestly say that if you had Rider willing to do whatever you told her, your first instinct would not be sexytime?

No. No you cannot. Because it would be a filthy lie.

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 11:41 AM
My first instinct would not be sexytiem.


See, I can say it!

(it is a filthy lie)

Mike1984
May 28th, 2011, 11:49 AM
Could any of you honestly say that if you had Rider willing to do whatever you told her, your first instinct would not be sexytime?

No. No you cannot. Because it would be a filthy lie.

Well, OK, my instinct would be to tie her up and do whatever I like with her, but the difference between me and Shinji is that I wouldn't go through with it, because I'm not an evil bastard....

Techlet
May 28th, 2011, 11:54 AM
Well, it's not rape if she comes...

DreamsRequiem
May 28th, 2011, 11:57 AM
Well, OK, my instinct would be to tie her up and do whatever I like with her, but the difference between me and Shinji is that I wouldn't go through with it, because I'm not dirt....

fix'd.

To say it's evil would mean it has personality.

To say it's a bastard implies that it resembles anything akin to a human.

It does not, for it is dirt.

I step on dirt and care not for what happens to it. So should you.

Altima of the Gates
May 28th, 2011, 12:02 PM
Well, it's not rape if she comes...

Chris Hansen: Saber, I'd like for you to have a seat over there.

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 12:07 PM
fix'd.

To say it's evil would mean it has personality.

To say it's a bastard implies that it resembles anything akin to a human.

It does not, for it is dirt.

I step on dirt and care not for what happens to it. So should you.

Cool story, bro.

DreamsRequiem
May 28th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Thanks, brah.

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Shinji is an interesting fellow.

Kotonoha
May 28th, 2011, 12:19 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfnbqh.jpg
Thread successfully derailed!

Now onward, to claim the rest of the forum for Shinji before Mike/Sakura can get to it!

VelspertheCat
May 28th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Would you like WH Archer to alter a mountain into the Original Super Robot for Shinji to ride around in? It's Mesopotamian, so you know it's Gil quality lolOriginalSuperScience, and it had drills for arms.

Or I guess he can make a Real Robot out of the Golem of Prague. But Shinji is going to have to think in Hebrew.

Altima of the Gates
May 28th, 2011, 12:25 PM
Thread successfully derailed!
Well it was going to happen sooner or later...but yes, it really is a waste of time to hate him.

Although I really should not coax a sequel to this lol, it does have me curious how Shirou and Rin will handle this. I imagined Rider with a "wait till your father Sakura gets home" look on her face if she saw them.

Tobias
May 28th, 2011, 03:39 PM
Well...again, I think it stopped there probably, occasionally something has to get out into the open and admitted before it can be dealt with. Men (and woman) often have trouble with the fact that they find themselves looking at other people when they are happily married. Rin is a beautiful person, and rin admires shirou, that some lingering chemistry would be left would be obvious, even inevitable, they went through a lot during HF together.

Now, what I would say would be the case would be shirou and run would both have to make a choice here, each other, or Sakura, and I believe that they would both chose Sakura.

I will say I think in order to avoid something extremely unfortunate they would both need to make the right choice, because neither could resist the other, if that makes sense. So if shirou chose to try and end things here, but rin selfishly pursued him, I think shirou might very well make an extremely poor decision, and the same would be true if Rin tried to back off and shirou seduced her. But, I think both of them would make the right call, and it would just be something they were "aware" of, for the rest of their life, that had things gone a bit differently....well, things like that are a part of life.

Ergast
May 28th, 2011, 07:04 PM
^This.

As I said multiple times, for me Shirou is a very faithful guy, and Rin is (and this, mike, is just an opinion) probably the kindest character in all FSN, for all her tsunderesness. I'm pretty sure they would make the right decision. That's it, unless the author feels particularly sadistic and/or naughty.

About my first though if I had Rider for myself... Probably it would be; "What? For real?" And then... probably sexytiem. That or have a nice talk about literature if I'm aware of her tastes (hey, each one has their tastes).

...

Nah, scratch that, my first though after the "What? For real?" would be about knowing her better (in a no sexy way). After that...

Mike1984
May 28th, 2011, 07:10 PM
Well, I wouldn't agree that Rin is the kindest character in FSN, but I do agree that she's a very kind person. I very much hold the opinion that the two Tohsaka sisters are actually very similar, deep down and, thus, since I think Sakura is an exceptionally kind person, it stands to reason that I would also think the same about Rin.

So, yeah, I don't see Rin doing this. In fact, the argument you're using is the very same argument as I have used in other threads to explain why I don't think Shirou x Rin as a pairing is plausible if Rin finds out the truth about Sakura. She just cares too much for her sister to take the guy she loves after she's been through all that. The only way a threesome would come about here is if Sakura suggested it (which she might, if she found out that Shirou and Rin had feelings for each other, although then again she might not, since it might make her feel uncomfortable still).

And, before you say anything, I'm not saying that's what Rin should do in such a situation (because you're right that Sakura has no more "right" to be with Shirou than Rin does), I'm just saying that Rin is a kind enough person that she would put her sister's well-being before her own.

RadiantBeam
May 28th, 2011, 08:30 PM
*sips tea*

And this is why I will probably never write a sequel. It's more fun to see you all come to your own conclusions of what happens past this point. :D

Ergast
May 29th, 2011, 04:43 AM
That's probably the best move you can do XD

Keyne
May 29th, 2011, 04:52 AM
This thread is amusing.

Mike1984
May 29th, 2011, 07:02 AM
That's probably the best move you can do XD

Yeah, I think you're probably right there....

RadiantBeam
May 30th, 2011, 10:16 PM
So...

Been talking, and I might or might not have a semi-sequel/related idea for a continuation, which I may or may not post here, depending on what I do with it. But the thought is definitely there. It doesn't really resolve the Rin/Shirou/Sakura situation, but it gives some nice closure to it, I think.

lethum
May 30th, 2011, 10:34 PM
That's good. I think...

What if you start it but never finish it and then leave us hanging forever?

RadiantBeam
May 30th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Nah, I'll definitely do it. I just don't know if I want to post it to this thread or create a whole new thread for it.

lethum
May 30th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Fhew! Then, by all means, go on.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 02:54 PM
I don't like HF shirou. I mean I hate him more then sense or reason can explain. However with that said I respect his growth as a character despite hating him for my own reason and it's because of this that I, cannot approve of this work as even passable. it undermines Shirou at his core even more then HF itself did.

VelspertheCat
December 2nd, 2011, 02:58 PM
I like Shirou.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 03:40 PM
I also like Shirou. More rarely, I like all three heroines from Fate Stay Night. So any pairing works just fine for me. Whether or not that is approved of by random internet personalities.

Hence, I liked this. Shirou and Rin definitely had some UST in the HF True End. Interesting take on how that attraction rears its head.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 03:43 PM
There's a difference between approving of all three pairings and approving of having HF Shirou essentially NTR Sakura with her own sister....

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 03:53 PM
Shirou's attraction to all three happens regardless of the final pairing. Because, hey, they're attractive and he's got eyes and working genitalia.

However! One illicit kiss does not a netorare make. NTR is a very specific style and substance, of which we see none here.

I3uster
December 2nd, 2011, 04:03 PM
How does NTR with a dead protagonist work?

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 04:07 PM
How does NTR with a dead protagonist work?

It'd be necrorare, not netorare. Although Shirou's alive?

I3uster
December 2nd, 2011, 04:09 PM
Nevermind that. I failed.

Spinach
December 2nd, 2011, 04:12 PM
necrorare

This is now a word.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
There's a difference between approving of all three pairings and approving of having HF Shirou essentially NTR Sakura with her own sister....

exactly.

this is a bit fail imo, sorry beam but this wasn't funny or interesting, just flat out out of character for HF shirou. and that makes it kinda mean spirited imo.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
Nevermind that. I failed.

Yeah, it's an easy mistake to make, especially since this story is so old....

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 04:39 PM
just flat out out of character for HF shirou.

Wut. Look at how Shirou and Rin react to each other when he comes in from his shopping trip in HF true.

That not enough canon?

Check the scene when Rider and Sakura are having breakfast - one of the dialogue choices leads to a hilariously awkward scene where Shirou's like "No, I don't have a problem with Rider - in fact, she's really hot." Sakura's sitting right there, looking pissed at him.

This is so typical of Shirou. Sure, he's usually smart enough to GTFO when he's in a situation like this, but he does occasionally get into them.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 04:42 PM
Wut. Look at how Shirou and Rin react to each other when he comes in from his shopping trip in HF true.

That not enough canon?

Check the scene when Rider and Sakura are having breakfast - one of the dialogue choices leads to a hilariously awkward scene where Shirou's like "No, I don't have a problem with Rider - in fact, she's really hot." Sakura's sitting right there, looking pissed at him.

This is so typical of Shirou. Sure, he's usually smart enough to GTFO when he's in a situation like this, but he does occasionally get into them.

i don't care if you like it. it IS out of character. just because shirou is awkward does not mean he's a dip wad like he's presented to be here.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 04:44 PM
Sure, Shirou has some level of attraction to Rin in HF, but there's no way in hell he would ever cheat on Sakura. Not after what she's been through. He just loves her too much.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 04:49 PM
i don't care if you like it. it IS out of character. just because shirou is awkward does not mean he's a dip wad like he's presented to be here.

I'm not talking about liking it, dood. I'm talking about evidence from the VN that supports my position. If you have some, present it. You can't back up a discussion about characterisation with mere opinion - opinions have to have some kind of reasoning behind them to be worth my time.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 04:59 PM
I'm not talking about liking it, dood. I'm talking about evidence from the VN that supports my position. If you have some, present it. You can't back up a discussion about characterisation with mere opinion - opinions have to have some kind of reasoning behind them to be worth my time.

I don't need to back up Shirou's rep as a good and Honorable and committed guy. it's obvious if you read the vn. and in hf he's loyal to sakura. end of story.

RadiantBeam
December 2nd, 2011, 05:03 PM
Apologies to Lantz that it wasn't an enjoyable read, though admittedly I was pretty surprised to see this on the front page again. Old one-shot is old.

Ergast
December 2nd, 2011, 05:06 PM
@Trevelyan While I liked this oneshot in a guilty way, I agree with mike and Lantz. Shirou is faithful to a T. He has shown that many times, even killing himself in at least one ending. Hell, the whole new Saber's ending shows that. Shirou pursued an imposibility just to be with Saber, even if it could have failed with just a moment of weakness from one of the sides.

I agree that he has eyes and genitalia, and that he can feel some atraction from other females (hell, I still have to met the human that doesn't feel atracted towards an atractive person of his/her tastes even if said human is married), but I can't see him kissing another woman once he made his mind about who he loves. It's not in his nature, as it is in his nature to not stop against anything to make that person happy or die trying (and we know Shirou's record in dying. Death is pretty pissed with him about that).

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 05:12 PM
Y u no read?

Seriously. All I've said is, Shirou finds all of the girls attractive, he's been sorely tempted by them at various points in various routes. I'm not making a case for him suddenly being a pimp because he kissed Rin and OMG NTR. Anyone making a claim like that needs to back it up.

Further, getting into a clinch is awkward, but forgivable. It's what he - and Rin - do afterwards that determines who's good and honourable and whatever other pretty word you feel like using.

Ergast
December 2nd, 2011, 05:22 PM
I was just answering your "show me proofs about Shirou's faithfulness in the novel" thing. Or at least, that's how it sounded when I read what you typed. I already said that what matters is what they do afterwards in this topic.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 05:25 PM
I was just answering your "show me proofs about Shirou's faithfulness in the novel" thing. Or at least, that's how it sounded when I read what you typed. I already said that what matters is what they do afterwards in this topic.

Sorry, Ergast, you got in there while I was writing that response to Lantz. Maybe I wasn't clear enough initially, but I was talking about Shirou being attracted to people other than Heroine X in Route X, not whether or not he'd act on that attraction.

Ergast
December 2nd, 2011, 05:28 PM
Oh, sorry about that, then.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 05:29 PM
It's not a problem - I failed at communicating my point.

Altima of the Gates
December 2nd, 2011, 05:38 PM
Yeah, it all depends on where this leads. If the two are honest, Sakura will likely not be horribly upset(maybe a little time on the couch for Shirou, if you catch my drift, but no more).
Now if they don't and/or continue it, which would be OOC, and she had to catch them, may God have mercy upon their souls, because Rider sure won't.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 06:16 PM
Well, I'd imagine that Sakura would be pretty damn forgiving, honestly. She absolutely adores Shirou, and she loves Rin too. Plus, she wouldn't want to lose the only real family she has. Certainly, as long as they don't keep going, and are apologetic, she'll accept it, although her confidence might take a bit of a hammering.

Rider, on the other hand....

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 06:43 PM
Rider's in a glass house when it comes to Shirou.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 06:49 PM
Doesn't matter. If anyone dares to hurt Sakura, they will pay dearly for it....

Ergast
December 2nd, 2011, 06:54 PM
IIRC, Sakura knows of said slip from Rider.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 07:00 PM
Where on earth does that come from? Rider never did a thing to help Sakura's mental or emotional well-being. Even when the girl wanted to die, Rider stopped anyone from helping her do so. By your logic, she'd better kill herself for prolonging Sakura's suffering.

RadiantBeam
December 2nd, 2011, 07:01 PM
IIRC, Sakura knows of said slip from Rider.

Not really. Within the canon of the story itself as presented at its endpoint, Rin and Shirou were alone, so no one knows what happened.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 07:04 PM
Where on earth does that come from? Rider never did a thing to help Sakura's mental or emotional well-being. Even when the girl wanted to die, Rider stopped anyone from helping her do so. By your logic, she'd better kill herself for prolonging Sakura's suffering.

Erm, what? If your friend told you they were going to commit suicide because they hated their life, would you let them, or would you try to stop them?

Rider wants to protect Sakura. Sometimes, that means even protecting her from herself, like she did throughout HF (especially at the end). If someone were to hurt Sakura, Rider would protect her even if she didn't really want to be "protected".

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 07:24 PM
If this hypothetical friend was being possessed by Angra Mainyu, had eaten hundreds of people and I had no way of saving them from it? My only options here are - Help Die or Do Nothing, Ask Jeebus for Halp.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 07:29 PM
But Sakura could be saved, and indeed Rider succeeded in doing so, ultimately.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 07:31 PM
No-one knew that at the time. Ignore it and Pray for a Miracle seems somewhat . . . shortsighted? Naive? Childish?

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 07:38 PM
Rider never did a thing to help Sakura's mental or emotional well-being.

you missed the point then regarding Rider and her actions.

as for you beamy. I'm sorry I keep coming down on you when i see your stuff. I don't mean to because clearly you have a LOT of potential but it seems stunted whenever you do HF related stuff by messing up characterization in places. I have a feeling i'll like your not HF stuff but i have yet to read any.

I seem to perceive you with an axe to grind over HF, having one myself i can understand if such is the case. but I think it bleeds through in your fics a bit much.

I look forward to seeing anything else you may write in the future and hope you'll tweak your portrayal of sakura in the future.

Ergast
December 2nd, 2011, 07:45 PM
Not really. Within the canon of the story itself as presented at its endpoint, Rin and Shirou were alone, so no one knows what happened.

No, I mean Rider slip with a certain dream while she was drinking Shirou's mana in HF.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 07:50 PM
you missed the point then regarding Rider and her actions.

What actions? Hiding in the shed until Day 15?

Altima of the Gates
December 2nd, 2011, 07:54 PM
No-one knew that at the time.

Ilya did. Why she didn't say, I dunno, but she did.

RadiantBeam
December 2nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
hope you'll tweak your portrayal of sakura in the future.

You might want to avoid most of my HF stuff, then, since I always end up tweaking Sakura a little bit. Kinda hard to keep her true to character when I don't see much to work with.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 08:00 PM
What actions? Hiding in the shed until Day 15?

helping shinji, Rider hates him, plus there's the whole they have the same back story thing.

are you trolling or are you seriously unaware of their connections and rider's feelings?

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 08:02 PM
Ilya knew that Shirou could give Rin the Jewelled Sword. That, on it's own, doesn't save Sakura. Without Shirou stepping in with Rule Breaker after Rin has performed an armor-piercing hug, you'd still have a bad end - Sakura didn't seem able to stop what had been started, by herself.

No, Lantz, I'm making the point that unless you actually state your case, all I have to go on are your vague assertions, which are pretty damned vague.

Altima of the Gates
December 2nd, 2011, 08:10 PM
Kinda hard to keep her true to character when I don't see much to work with.

Ouch. I disagree, but if that is how you feel...


Ilya knew that Shirou could give Rin the Jewelled Sword. That, on it's own, doesn't save Sakura. Without Shirou stepping in with Rule Breaker after Rin has performed an armor-piercing hug, you'd still have a bad end - Sakura didn't seem able to stop what had been started, by herself.


Ilya knew about the gate to the other side being accidentally opened, which was why she was tainted in the first place. The solution would have been to close it.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 08:13 PM
Oh, right, that makes more sense.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 08:17 PM
No, Lantz, I'm making the point that unless you actually state your case, all I have to go on are your vague assertions, which are pretty damned vague.

ok ok you're new here or whatever. look rider's entire character has been backward and forward and upside down combed and styled at this point on bl. we've analyized her every way possible. fact is Rider cares more for Sakura then possibly HF shirou. and more then just I will tell you that. I don't feel the need to whip out evidence because, to be frank I've never found a person before you that thinks rider is an uncaring bitch toward Sakura.

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 08:36 PM
Wut? You don't have anything to say, so you resort to LOLNOOB and BL DUN DIS ALREDY. Sorry bro, but I've been a member of BL and the Fate fandom for, oh, four years. But that's OK - you can't even construct an argument properly, let alone follow it without changing the goalposts.

My point wasn't that Rider hates Sakura, or that she does nothing*. My point was, in regards to killing Sakura in that particular bad end, stopping it from happening when you don't have a solution can be seen as making Sakura's suffering last longer - and even making it worse, because the next day, suddenly Angra Mainyu.

*Except insofar as you didn't back up your statement, which I take to mean that you can't. Clue: Obeying Shinji, saving Shirou at Sakura's behest, saving Sakura from Shirou in a Bad End, fighting Saber Alter.

Mike1984
December 2nd, 2011, 08:42 PM
Just because Rider's idea of what is good for Sakura doesn't agree with yours (or, even Sakura's), that doesn't mean that Rider doesn't care about Sakura and try (in her own way) to make her life better. She just tends to put Sakura's survival above Sakura's happiness.

And, for the record, what I was suggesting here was definitely an example of that. There's no way Sakura would want Rider to hurt Rin or Shirou, but if she thought it would help Sakura, Rider would not hesitate.

lantzblades
December 2nd, 2011, 08:43 PM
You might want to avoid most of my HF stuff, then, since I always end up tweaking Sakura a little bit. Kinda hard to keep her true to character when I don't see much to work with.

well beamy that makes me think two things

1) that you're a good person for being honest

2) I should talk to you on sakura's utility in stories at some point, I think my view point is different enough that it might help you see something more in sakura.


Wut? You don't have anything to say, so you resort to LOLNOOB and BL DUN DIS ALREDY. Sorry bro, but I've been a member of BL and the Fate fandom for, oh, four years. But that's OK - you can't even construct an argument properly, let alone follow it without changing the goalposts.

My point wasn't that Rider hates Sakura, or that she does nothing*. My point was, in regards to killing Sakura in that particular bad end, stopping it from happening when you don't have a solution can be seen as making Sakura's suffering last longer - and even making it worse, because the next day, suddenly Angra Mainyu.

*Except insofar as you didn't back up your statement, which I take to mean that you can't. Clue: Obeying Shinji, saving Shirou at Sakura's behest, saving Sakura from Shirou in a Bad End, fighting Saber Alter.

actually you look like a newb guy. your post count was the indicator. Alt pointed out just before you posted this that I was mistaken. regardless you are abrasive in your manner of action and likely will continue to be so to me in the future. as a result i'm setting you on ignore.

SeiKeo
December 2nd, 2011, 08:45 PM
actually you look like a newb guy. your post count was the indicator. Alt pointed out just before you posted this that I was mistaken. regardless you are abrasive in your manner of action and likely will continue to be so to me in the future. as a result i'm setting you on ignore.

uh... when you go "Sorry you're new you don't understand," and someone calls you out on it, doing it again and then putting him on ignore does not really advance your argument.

Altima of the Gates
December 2nd, 2011, 08:46 PM
uh... when you go "Sorry you're new you don't understand," and someone calls you out on it, doing it again and then putting him on ignore does not really advance your argument.

Hmm, seems like a bit of miscommunication here. He didn't really say it in a courteous fashion. The way he had worded it, he made her seem like she didn't really care, when he only meant that the way she does things is counterproductive, which is a plot point we see when Sakura used the last command spell to save Shirou, she at last knew what would make her truly happy.

Sound about right?

Trevelyan
December 2nd, 2011, 08:51 PM
Nah, it's fine. I'd rather ignore Lantz in return. If his best argment is "noob" followed by "meanie" I'll just have to cope. :P

Also, Mike, I agree with that summation - Rider's opinion on 'best interests' won't necessarily jive with Shirou's or Sakura's. It's one of the things I like about Nasu's characters - they're not simple or two-dimensional.

Huh. Never had to resort to ignoring someone before. I feel diminished in some ineffable way.

Ergast
December 3rd, 2011, 11:02 AM
Ouch. I disagree, but if that is how you feel...



Ilya knew about the gate to the other side being accidentally opened, which was why she was tainted in the first place. The solution would have been to close it.

Well, there is a really good reason for Illya to not tell anyone. Closing the door implies that she dies, as it happens in HF True. I can see why she won't say a word.

Altima of the Gates
December 3rd, 2011, 12:59 PM
Well, there is a really good reason for Illya to not tell anyone. Closing the door implies that she dies, as it happens in HF True. I can see why she won't say a word.

I don't really think so, it's not really implicitly said what would have killed her actually. That is left pretty vague.
She had also just repaired Shirou's soul and given him a container to hold it in at the time. It's just really not clear what it was that actually killed her.

Ergast
December 3rd, 2011, 01:45 PM
I think it was the whole "Act as the Grail" thing, kind of like what happened to Justica. And as far as I know, to close the door she must act as the Grail.

Mike1984
December 3rd, 2011, 01:51 PM
Even if that's true, I'm sure she could have at least told them what was going on, and helped find another way to save Sakura.