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eddyak
June 11th, 2011, 09:04 PM
So I came across this idea when I was thinking about how I could get more experience writing and coming up with ideas. I think I had a sort of limited version of this going with Avi-tan, on the old board, but that went to hell.

So this is a thread for getting your ideas written and gaining writing experience. Here's how it'll work hopefully:

1. X posts what they want experience in writing- romance, lemon, action scenes, a certain character's scenes, whatever.
2. Y posts an idea for a scene, or a teaser for a fic, and says they either want X to write it, or someone suitable.
3. X says "I'll take up that challenge!" or doesn't.
4. The two exchange ideas and such. If it works, move onto step 5. If not, back to step 1 or give up on that idea.
5. Fic gets written.
6. ???
7. Profit May lead to legal ramifications.

Alulim
June 11th, 2011, 09:07 PM
Sounds interesting. It may also lead to some good ideas being put into words.

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Yeah, this sounds like it might be interesting....

Alulim
June 11th, 2011, 09:15 PM
I may need help with writing a lemon at some point in time, and depending on how things go in my fic one might be with Sakura...

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Hmm, well, I'll just have to wait and hope, then....

I would offer to help with the Sakura lemon, but I honestly don't think I'm very good at writing stuff like that (I can do ideas pretty well, but not the details).

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Well, um....

*raises hand*

I would like some experience in lemon scenes. I've written a few with friends, but I've never done anything on my own.

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:21 PM
Well, the easiest one to try would be the Rin/Sakura sex scene from Into the Rain, I guess, since you presumably already have some idea how that would go.

eddyak
June 11th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Into the Rain is probably the reason she wants lemon experience. Nobody wants to find out just how bad they are at writing sex scenes the first time they try- and in their real fic, too.

Oh, nasu. Why didn't you just get another writer to help you?

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:24 PM
I would like to try, but I'm wary of touching a lemon on my own since I have no real sexual experience to draw from. I don't want to try and write something when I'm inexperienced in it myself, though I'd like to give it a shot.

I'm a she.

eddyak
June 11th, 2011, 09:26 PM
...Sorry. I automatically register every internet dweller as "he" in my head unless I have compelling evidence to the contrary and/or have been reminded enough times. I'll remember eventually.

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Heh, no worries. It happens a lot.

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Well, if you want something as practice for Into the Rain, how about a Sakura x Rider one, with Rider going to Sakura because she needs some more prana, and Sakura fucking her to provide it? It has a similarish dynamic to the Into the Rain scene, but it's different enough that you won't just be repeating yourself.

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Maybe something lime-scented is a better goal to aim for...

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Hmm, perhaps.

How light are you looking for it to be?

TypeWannabe
June 11th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Didn't we have a thread similar to this on the old board?

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Hmm, perhaps.

How light are you looking for it to be?

Well, like, vague descriptions at best. Nothing incredibly graphic or detailed; enough to know what's going on, without really saying it. I've done stuff like that before.

Counterguardian
June 11th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Didn't we have a thread similar to this on the old board?

I think that was a "looking for proofreader" thread as opposed to a "hit me with an idea" thread.

Xamusel
June 11th, 2011, 09:39 PM
Uh...

*raises hand*

I'd like to be a better writer in general, but I'm stuck with how many ideas to use at all, and that royally sucks. If I were able to stick with one idea, I'd be able to be better under normal circumstances, but the ideas that I do have are stronger than my ability to stick with one idea...

So... for now, I'll have someone instruct me on getting Tohno Shiki's personality right, along with that of Counter Guardian EMIYA, as those two are going to have the first appearances in my Nasuverse and Bleach crossover from the Nasuverse, with Archer being sent by Alaya to be on recon for in case of something that Aizen would pull off (aka his part in the Bleach Story)... and that's what I have so far for the beginning.

Mike1984
June 11th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Well, like, vague descriptions at best. Nothing incredibly graphic or detailed; enough to know what's going on, without really saying it. I've done stuff like that before.

Well, what I suggested could still achieve that, I think.

eddyak
June 11th, 2011, 09:46 PM
So... for now, I'll have someone instruct me on getting Tohno Shiki's personality right, along with that of Counter Guardian EMIYA, as those two are going to have the first appearances in my Nasuverse and Bleach crossover from the Nasuverse, with Archer being sent by Alaya to be on recon for in case of something that Aizen would pull off (aka his part in the Bleach Story)... and that's what I have so far for the beginning.
For Shiki, you really need to read Tsukihime. He's basically a laid-back, relaxed version of Shirou. Imagine him without all the hot-bloodedness, without the hero vibes, with only the practicality, and a sort of acceptance of death.

For CG EMIYA, he's basically a mindless destroyer. He'll either walk in and cut down anything and everything with K&B or some random sword, or he'll sit at a distance of a couple kilometers away, turning everything to dust with Broken Phantasms. As a CG, he has no personality, no sense of self.

Xamusel
June 11th, 2011, 09:53 PM
Ah... that makes sense, eddyak, thanks.

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 09:53 PM
Well, what I suggested could still achieve that, I think.

Hm... I'll give it a shot, see what I come up with when I get the chance. Do I post it here or as its own separate thread? I'm a little confused over that part in the steps.

Xamusel
June 11th, 2011, 09:54 PM
I'd guess that you don't post it here.

eddyak
June 11th, 2011, 10:15 PM
You could post it in here if you wanted to use it as bait to draw in the next sucker your next ideas person, to see who likes your writing style, but other than that, you might wanna make a new thread.

RadiantBeam
June 11th, 2011, 10:18 PM
Okay, got it. Just wanted to check before I went and did something stupid.

Elf
June 11th, 2011, 11:41 PM
Well, um....

*raises hand*

I would like some experience in lemon scenes. I've written a few with friends, but I've never done anything on my own.

PM me. It's been a while since I've had a Padiwan in porn.

Tohno
June 11th, 2011, 11:44 PM
PM me. It's been a while since I've had a Padiwan in porn.

... O.o

Well, I'd like some experience in writing romance and psychological horror.

Elf
June 11th, 2011, 11:58 PM
... O.o

Well, I'd like some experience in writing romance and psychological horror.

*Points to title* It's not just for show. :)

As for writing romance, I'd suggest reading some romance first. The same with psychological horror. The later is obviously harder to find than the former.

Tohno
June 12th, 2011, 12:02 AM
Well, generally the romance books in my town are craply written, which makes it difficult, and the bookstores around here stock next to no horror except 'zombies lol'. D:

[EDIT]: But to go on with the original idea, is any 'Y' going to post a challenge? XD

Elf
June 12th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Well, there are lots of good romance fanfics too.

Ask around, I'm sure that someone would give you some recommendations.

Kotonoha
June 12th, 2011, 12:13 AM
As for writing romance, I'd suggest reading some romance first. The same with psychological horror.

I didn't see what you were quoting at first so it looked like you were saying that if you want to write psychological horror, you should read romance.

meevanhelot
June 12th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Well most romance novels are certainly horrible.

Tohno
June 12th, 2011, 12:17 AM
I didn't see what you were quoting at first so it looked like you were saying that if you want to write psychological horror, you should read romance.



Well most romance novels are certainly horrible.


... actually, maybe there's something in that idea.

TypeWannabe
June 12th, 2011, 12:17 AM
brb, I need to stop my hips from moving on their own. Hate when my lady juices get mixed up with my man smell.

Tohno
June 12th, 2011, 12:18 AM
brb, I need to stop my hips from moving on their own. Hate when my lady juices get mixed up with my man smell.

Psychological horror - check.

meevanhelot
June 12th, 2011, 12:19 AM
I wouldn't classify hentai manga as romance novels.

Tohno
June 12th, 2011, 12:21 AM
There's a line between romance and lemon. Hentai manga seem rarely romantic to me.

Alulim
June 12th, 2011, 12:25 AM
But there are a few.

Elf
June 12th, 2011, 12:27 AM
As for psychological horror?

Go read "The House of Leaves".

Or the Clive Barker short story "Dread" in Books of Blood Volume 3.

Tohno
June 12th, 2011, 12:30 AM
I just wiki'd 'House of Leaves' and I want it. Will buy with money if not at library.

Neir
June 12th, 2011, 01:50 PM
For romance ideas, there's plenty in the lemon/fluff thread. Otherwise, any shippers will most likely have an abundance of ideas.

lethum
June 12th, 2011, 01:55 PM
For someone suitable in this thread, who wants to tackle this?:

Kid!Shirou, Master of Alter Saber in the Fourth Holy Grail War robs the restaurant where Iris and Saber are eating of food, with the aid of his servant. It ends with Iris hugging Shirou.

Tohno
June 13th, 2011, 07:21 AM
I'm not very good at comedy, or emotional stories, but I tried. Please treat it gently like a newborn child. :)

Which it is, since I just wrote it an hour ago.



“Saaaaaaaaaaaber!” Shirou panted as he ran through the streets, calling out the name of a French sword. “Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaber!”

“Master, please slow down.” The incredibly pale Saber servant ran beside him, cloaked in her spirit form.

“You will become fatigued, and then I will have to leave you to die out here in the streets.”

“No way, Alter. I’m a hero, and you’re a hero! You’d never let me down, right?”

“Not all heroes need compassion, Master. Does a tree help another tree grow? Of course not.”

“Besides,” Shirou grinned at his Servant, as he slowed to a jog, “I’m on a quest.”



Kiritsugu turned to Shirou, the beloved smile crossing his face.

“Shirou, I’ve never asked anything of you. I never truly intended to, but…”

“I’ll do it.” Whatever it is, it is payment for a debt I can never repay.

“I… need you to find my wife. She ran off with Saber.” As Shirou blinked twice, Kiritsugu ran a hand through his dishevelled hair. “I know, I never told you before, but I do have a wife. Her name is Iris, and I need you to find her.”

“But, how did you lose her?”

“How does one lose anything? Like the draught disperses coins dropped on a subway platform, so did adventure sweep ere away my Iris.”

“Oh, okay. Sure, I’ll find her. Alter, let’s go!” Shirou called out the name of the Servant who pledged her life to him, and bolted down the alleys of Fuyuki City.



“This has everything, Alter! It’s a real tale, and I’m part of it. I’ll save people, just like he did.”

“Your idealized notions of nobility are quaint.”

“This is an epic tale of honour, romance, and victory!”

“You’re finding your idol’s girlfriend.”

“I can’t let him down – I must find her!” Shirou shot a grin at his Servant, and impetuously charged down the street.

Before.

“Master, I do believe that was you.”

“I’m sorry, but I’m just so hungry. I’m gonna find a resteraunt.”

“The quest can wait?” An amused smirk crossed the pale face.

“… Alter?” Shirou glanced away at the ground.

“…?” She tilted her head, her expression serious.

“I don’t… see, see how he could have a wife.”

“Presumably they copulated, or married.”

“Or why.”

Saber Alter paused, and walked a little closer to Shirou’s back.

“Why?”

“Yeah. Why would he want a wife? Aren’t I a good enough son for him? He doesn’t need another, right…?”

Alter leaned down, and squeezed his shoulder.

“Master, I had many that I call my brother, and several that I would count as a father to me. I knew men I cared for as my sons, and a lady who was always my queen.” She withdrew her hand from his shoulder, almost weakened by her display of affection.

“Master, you will always be his family, and you will always be irreplaceable.”

“He won’t… forget, Alter? What if had twelve sons, Daitaro, Jiro, Saburo, and I was forgotten?”

“Galahad.”

“What?”

“Galahad, Agravain, Maleagant, Palamedes, Segwarides, Tristan, Uriens, two Ywains, Elyan, Percival, Ector, Bors, Gaheris, Leodegrance, Gawain, Hector, Calogrenant, Hector, Kay, Caradoc, Dagonet, Bagedemagus, Bedivere, Lucan, Tor, Safir, Gareth, Pelleas, Geraint, Marhaus, Griflet, Pellinore, Breunor, Lionel, Bagdemagus and… and Dinadan.”

“Eh? What are you talking about, Alter?”

“My knights. I will never forget them... Any, of them.” Gritting her teeth suddenly, Alter turned away.
“If you need me, just call.”

Shirou frowned. He must be hungry, and hearing things.
After all, Alter’s voice never shook.



* * *

“IRRASHAIMASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”

“Owwwwwww!” Shirou rubbed his ears as the half deaf old man welcomed him into the resteraunt.

“I-I’m here to… uh, I’m with them!” Shirou quickly pointed to Saber, sitting beside a white-haired beauty.

“Aaa, so you are here to-“ Shirou quickly ran towards the table, trying to avoid another sudden sonic explosion ruining his ears for life.

“Th-this curry is so spicy, it – oh, good morning.” The stranger of the two turned to regard him, her soft red eyes seeming to reassure him.
“G-g-g-good morning, uhm… I-Iris?”

“Shirou, aren’t you? Kiritsugu told me about you – I’m glad to meet you.”

Saber nodded in the background, emulating the patience of freaking Jesus in her refusal to give in to temptation and dump the curry in the face of the nearest chef.

“Um...”
What could I say?

I’ve always wanted to meet you? A lie.
I’m happy you’re with my father? A lie.
I’d like to know more about you? I’d like you to get out of my life!

“Need food, be right back.” Shirou shot up and charged into the kitchen.
“Alter! Come!”

“Hey, what are you doing in the kitchen?”

“Making food, hang on. Alter, prepare the ingredients.” Reaching into the cupboard, Shirou brought out what he needed. Whisk, egg beater, knives (several will be needed!) wok, frying pan!

“IIIIIIIIIIIII KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!~”

Alter threw the ingredients towards the young boy, one after the other in record speed.

Intercept. Perceive the projectile, feel the wind on your body – the change in direction. Apply the knife to the projectile, apply force – watch it bisect, fall into the dish as you change its direction!

“I AM THE BONE OF MY-“

“Oy, kid, what you’re doing is stealing, you know?” A policeman with a friendly, amused smile leaned over the counter.

“Officer Matou!” The chef seemed relieved.

“Uh… it is?”

“Yeah. You know, you didn’t pay for those ingredients, and they’ll have to clean those dishes…” The handsome man tilted his head slightly to the right, even more amused by the boy’s naiveté.

“Well… I mean, I was really hungry, and those smells – I just had to cook, and –“

“Zouken, really, there’s no need. He’s just a growing boy with an appetite. I’ll pay for any wasted ingredients.” Iris smiled at the policeman, who threw his cape back.

“Irisviel, I should’ve guessed this one was yours.” Zouken gave a low chuckle.

Shirou turned away.

“Alright, go ahead, I see I’m not needed here anymore. Oh, time to babysit my useless grandson.” The policeman gave a dramatic sigh as he walked out the door.

Out warming their welcome, the four left, Saber and Alter shifting back to spirit form to avoid any gratuitous fanservice.

“You’re not my mother!” Shirou snapped out the words the moment they left, wheeling around. “I’m Kiritsugu’s son, and no relative of yours!”

Irisviel wasn’t surprised, nor did she appear hurt.
“Shirou.”

“Eh?”

“Emiya, Shirou. That’s your name.”

“Of cour-“

“My name is Irisviel von Einzbern. Your name is Emiya Shirou. Not Shirou von Einzbern.”

“Well, I-“ Shirou stopped suddenly, unsure of himself.

“I know you don’t hate me. It’s because you love your father, right? More than that, it’s because you love love. And that’s okay.” She leaned down to him, and then gave him an honest, sad smile.
“I love… love?”

“He does too, you know. And so do I. It’s why I want to be with him, and I’d like to love you, too.”

Shirou stared at the ground. He didn’t want to hurt her. That wouldn’t be right.

She loves my father, and my father loves her. I can’t hurt her, but…
But… I don’t want a mother. My mother would have been there for me in that blaze, with my father.
“Emiya Shirou, I’d like to love you as the boy you are, not as a son I hope you to be. Is that okay?”

Shirou shook, as tears fell from his eyes to the ground.

Tears of mourning, pushing away the false love from his mind – an untruth that refuses any more love entry. Tears of forgiveness, pushing away the hatred that coloured his perceptions.
Irisviel knelt on the ground as she embraced him, his arms folding around her.

Saber and Alter stared from afar, as Alter repeated softly under her breath.

“Galahad, Agravain, Maleagant, Palamedes, Segwarides, Tristan, Uriens, Ywain, Ywain the Bastard, Elyan, Percival, Ector, Bors, Gaheris, Leodegrance, Gawain, Hector, Calogrenant, Hector, Kay, Caradoc, Dagonet, Bagedemagus, Bedivere, Lucan, Tor, Safir, Gareth, Pelleas, Geraint, Marhaus, Griflet, Pellinore, Breunor, Lionel, Bagdemagus, Dinadan...”

Saber turned to her pale atavism.

Alter murmured quietly, the final name, but Saber already knew the tear of forgiveness that fell from Alter’s cheek might as well have had the name engraved on it.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz356/Tohno-san/FIN.png

Keyne
June 13th, 2011, 07:33 AM
;_;

THAT WAS SO TOUCHING!!!!

lethum
June 13th, 2011, 09:14 AM
:saber: is pleased. So am I.

Mike1984
June 13th, 2011, 09:25 AM
I'm wondering how the hell Zouken ended up as a friendly police officer....

Keyne
June 13th, 2011, 09:28 AM
In the same way the fic had a seperate Saber and Saber Alter and a living Irisviel, I guess.

Neir
June 13th, 2011, 12:19 PM
HNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

You are unto a GOD.

This is how I imagined Alter would be, almost EXACTLY. Beautiful. :')

TypeWannabe
June 13th, 2011, 06:29 PM
^that was quite possibly the ultimate example of Fanon I've ever seen. Bravo.

Ace
June 13th, 2011, 06:48 PM
Okay, I want to improve my comedy writing some skills.

Someone Y me up!

TypeWannabe
June 13th, 2011, 06:57 PM
That's honestly quite easy. Just write your own personality into your story, weave it into the narrative. Don't force jokes, let it come.

Xamusel
June 13th, 2011, 07:39 PM
I agree with TypeWannabe, and I recall one joke that I wrote that my friend laughed his gut out at, which was funny given the circumstances of the story.

Long story short, the Kyuubi was attacking Konoha, and the Yondaime was trying to seal the beast into Naruto...

"Hey, Minato, when are you going to seal the fox away? I'm starting to get a headache from it beating on my head." complained the toad boss Gamabunta.

"Hang in there, Boss, I'm doing the best I can!!" *finishes the seals* "Ah!! Got it!! Shiki Fuin no Jutsu!!"

Just then, a small bird appeared in a poof of summoning smoke, saying "I'm sorry, but the shinigami is unavailable at this time. Please try again later, Hokage-sama" before disappearing in said smoke.

...Yes, that was the joke, and it was one of my better ones according to my friend.

Tohno
June 14th, 2011, 03:24 AM
;_;

THAT WAS SO TOUCHING!!!!


:saber: is pleased. So am I.

I HAVE SUCCEEDED


I'm wondering how the hell Zouken ended up as a friendly police officer....

For some reason I was thinking about Matou Zouken, and it merged with Raidou Kuzunoha. = /

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 03:51 AM
For some reason I was thinking about Matou Zouken, and it merged with Raidou Kuzunoha. = /

I imagined him in that uniform~

Tohno
June 14th, 2011, 04:15 AM
Guy who wanted to be Y'd - here's my challenge.

Inui Arihiko wakes up one day to find all of the Tsukihime heroines want him.
And Shiki.

meevanhelot
June 14th, 2011, 04:44 AM
They still want Shiki as well, or Shiki also wants him?

The way it's written means the former, but the fact that it's in italics seems to suggest you meant the latter.

Tohno
June 14th, 2011, 05:03 AM
The latter.

Keyne
June 14th, 2011, 05:08 AM
I smell lots of Bro Yay!

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Tohno-san, why did you wish for that, unless you meant it in a straight way?

Ace
June 14th, 2011, 06:38 PM
He means it in a gay way, got a problem?

Yaoi is fine too~

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 06:44 PM
Uhh... Actually, I'm not fine with it, I'm a straight man.

Just steer me clear of Yaoi and Yuri (don't like it nearly as much), and I won't complain.

RadiantBeam
June 14th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Uhh... Actually, I'm not fine with it, I'm a straight man.

Those are so rare these days.

*shot*

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:08 PM
Oh, really? I'm not so sure of that part, really.

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Meep!

RadiantBeam
June 14th, 2011, 09:10 PM
*is dead and therefore cannot comment*

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Uh... not sure how to respond to that joke.

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Meep~ is the correct answer.

RadiantBeam
June 14th, 2011, 09:13 PM
Meep in death?

meevanhelot
June 14th, 2011, 09:14 PM
Meep? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya1UYsqf2hw)

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:15 PM
...Don't think I want to know.

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 09:16 PM
Meep.

RadiantBeam
June 14th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Meep? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya1UYsqf2hw)

I want one. Even if there's a risk of death.

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:19 PM
Uh... don't want to know still.

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Al wants a meep!

RadiantBeam
June 14th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Al wants a meep!

*gives Al a meep*

Alulim
June 14th, 2011, 09:29 PM
Hooray Al has a meep!

Hugz for beam~

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:31 PM
Uh... let's get this back on topic, please.

Anyway... yeah, not sure how to get it back on topic.

lethum
June 14th, 2011, 09:45 PM
Be the Y to someone's X: Make a "plot" for someone in this thread to write.

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Okay... who's going to write the plot?

lethum
June 14th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Several people have offered to be X. I've been Y once already, so I'll wait a wait before trying again.

Xamusel
June 14th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Ah... that makes sense.

Tohno
June 15th, 2011, 06:09 AM
Tohno-san, why did you wish for that, unless you meant it in a straight way?

Oh, for the lolz. Why else? :D

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 07:16 AM
OK, well, I have a suggestion. I'd like to see a fic (either a one-shot or a full one) that is set post-Fate or UBW and actually has a plausible method for saving Sakura, preferably with Shirou and/or Rin finding out the truth in some way. It doesn't have to be entirely Sakura-centric or anything, and I'm certainly not expecting Shirou and Rin to magically split up so Sakura can end up with him, I just want to see what sort of ideas people can come up with.

Ergast
June 15th, 2011, 11:05 AM
Those are so rare these days.

*shot*

Why, thank you

*cleans the barrel of his sniping rifle*

Now, don't be a melodrama queen and wake up. I barely killed you, so you should be alive and well in a few minutes.

@mike mmm... Well, I can't write but I think I can make a few ideas about that. Just not now, I'm a bit busy with a test.

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 11:10 AM
@mike mmm... Well, I can't write but I think I can make a few ideas about that. Just not now, I'm a bit busy with a test.

Well, it's hard to do, which is why I was asking, and plus I'd like to see more fanfics which deal with it, because that particular issue is used as a fic hook far less often than it really should be given how important (and plausible) it is.

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 11:18 AM
To be honest, Fate!Shirou has more of a chance to hook up with Rin than Sakura, which still is just a matter of fan-fiction.

Ivan The Mouse
June 15th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Hi guize, wat's goin on hir?

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 11:21 AM
Hi guize, wat's goin on hir?
O NO! IVAN HAZ CUM!

Ivan The Mouse
June 15th, 2011, 11:28 AM
O NO! IVAN HAZ CUM!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WAT U DO ON DIS THRED?

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 11:29 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WAT U DO ON DIS THRED?
MAN SECKS! >:U

Ivan The Mouse
June 15th, 2011, 11:31 AM
MAN SECKS! >:U

MAN SECKS?! YOWEE?! NUUUUUUUUUUUU-

I wanna write something.

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 11:31 AM
What a way to break the mood. :D

GENIUS!

Ergast
June 15th, 2011, 11:43 AM
Well, it's hard to do, which is why I was asking, and plus I'd like to see more fanfics which deal with it, because that particular issue is used as a fic hook far less often than it really should be given how important (and plausible) it is.

Okay, I'm bored of databases, so here comes an idea for the beggining.

In Fuyuki, at least two years after the grail war (we want a very competent Shirou and Rin, but I can be convinced to alter that, of course) there are rumors about people disapearing, vampires, murders and monsters. Shirou and Rin hear the rumors, and, being people from the magic side, and being Rin the second owner, they begin to investigate said rumors. From here it can happen anything. And no, I'm not thinking about the Shadow or Dark Sakura, but about Zouken. Although who knows, it can make it more dramatic if it was Sakura one of the responsibles, if we can make it credible.

... yeah, it's a classic beggining for a TM story, but the classics are always the best.

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 12:06 PM
To be honest, Fate!Shirou has more of a chance to hook up with Rin than Sakura, which still is just a matter of fan-fiction.

Why?

Rin is still some "stranger" who he "accidentally" bumps into every day and who will go off to London in a year without acknowledging their friendship, whereas Sakura is still close to Shirou and sees him regularly.


In Fuyuki, at least two years after the grail war (we want a very competent Shirou and Rin, but I can be convinced to alter that, of course)

I'm probably inclined to agree, actually. Immediately following the war, they're just not strong enough to take on Zouken without significant risk, let alone strong enough to save Sakura.


there are rumors about people disapearing, vampires, murders and monsters. Shirou and Rin hear the rumors, and, being people from the magic side, and being Rin the second owner, they begin to investigate said rumors.

Yeah, that could work. Presumably they find out about Zouken from there.

Not sure how you'll actually save her, though.


From here it can happen anything. And no, I'm not thinking about the Shadow or Dark Sakura, but about Zouken. Although who knows, it can make it more dramatic if it was Sakura one of the responsibles, if we can make it credible.

I can't see it being Sakura, honestly. Without the Grail around, she can't really turn Dark, and even if she did it would be hard to write it and keep her as a sympathetic character who should be saved, without basically turning it into a repeat of HF.


... yeah, it's a classic beggining for a TM story, but the classics are always the best.

Yeah, looks interesting.

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 12:09 PM
Why?

Rin is still some "stranger" who he "accidentally" bumps into every day and who will go off to London in a year without acknowledging their friendship, whereas Sakura is still close to Shirou and sees him regularly.
That's what you think. They're actually quite friendly with each other. Actually, I'm inclined to say that they're quite the good buds.

Ergast
June 15th, 2011, 12:14 PM
Yeah, that could work. Presumably they find out about Zouken from there.


Yeah, that's the idea. From here, they would investigate and discover things about the Matous. And being UBW, we have a Matou that is alive thanks to Rin so...



Not sure how you'll actually save her, though.


Hey, it's the beggining only. As I said, from there, shit hits the fan and anything could happen.



I can't see it being Sakura, honestly. Without the Grail around, she can't really turn Dark, and even if she did it would be hard to write it and keep her as a sympathetic character who should be saved, without basically turning it into a repeat of HF.


... True... Scratch that, then. We want an original idea, not a drama angst without the dangers asociated to HF (impending world doom, Dark Sakura, AM being born, etc). Though I'm thinking about copying a scene from HF, where Sakura, without almost any mana, try to kiss and absorb mana from Shirou... or Rin. That would put them on their toes.


That's what you think. They're actually quite friendly with each other. Actually, I'm inclined to say that they're quite the good buds.

I agree with this. I see them in Fate and post Fate as best buds. Now, talking about what could happen afterwards is another matter. I'm rooting for Rin, of course, but I can see happen that either one of the sisters is the chosen, or neither, being Shirou either a chaste hero or with another woman.

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 12:27 PM
I agree with this. I see them in Fate and post Fate as best buds. Now, talking about what could happen afterwards is another matter. I'm rooting for Rin, of course, but I can see happen that either one of the sisters is the chosen, or neither, being Shirou either a chaste hero or with another woman.
I think that they'd keep a close partnership even when she goes to London and he continues his training somewhere abroad. Though, I'd also think that Rin would want to honour Shirou's memories and root for him never to forget. She was quite satisfied when she heard that he will treasure his memories of Saber.

However, I wouldn't mind a small episode between them.

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 12:48 PM
I think that they'd keep a close partnership even when she goes to London and he continues his training somewhere abroad. Though, I'd also think that Rin would want to honour Shirou's memories and root for him never to forget. She was quite satisfied when she heard that he will treasure his memories of Saber.

However, I wouldn't mind a small episode between them.

Well, I can imagine them having a close relationship, but I don't see it becoming romantic easily. Although, ironicially, finding out about Sakura's situation would likely push them closer together, because I can't imagine they could deal with it without a lot of planning....

Imperial
June 15th, 2011, 12:48 PM
I can't see it being Sakura, honestly. Without the Grail around, she can't really turn Dark, and even if she did it would be hard to write it and keep her as a sympathetic character who should be saved, without basically turning it into a repeat of HF.

You say "without the Grail around," but is it really conclusively destroyed in either Fate or Unlimited Blade Works?

Shirou ends both routes making the same mistake Kiritsugu made. (And by extension, so do Rin and Saber in UBW.) Shirou assumes that Excaliblasting the Grail in front of him will be enough to end things once and for all, but we all saw how well that went. He doesn't strike at the Greater Grail, which will probably spend the next few years feeling jilted before it kicks off another War.

Really, Heaven's Feel is the only place where Shirou affects a lasting peace, which is probably why those source books (I think it was Character Material, but I can't remember exactly) mentioned El Meloi II dismantling the Grail ten years down the road as a sort of back door for Fate and Unlimited Blade Works.

If a story were to begin a mere two years later, it's possible the Grail's essence might linger.

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 12:54 PM
The Great Grail is still there, yes, but it's not active so there's no reason for Sakura to turn dark.

Ergast
June 15th, 2011, 01:03 PM
Also, Kiritsugu didn't make that error. The error he made was thinking that the next HGW would be in 60 years, not in 10. He put a mana bomb (or something like that) in the Great Grail.

BTW, mike, what do you think about my ideas?

Imperial
June 15th, 2011, 02:00 PM
Also, Kiritsugu didn't make that error. The error he made was thinking that the next HGW would be in 60 years, not in 10. He put a mana bomb (or something like that) in the Great Grail.

BTW, mike, what do you think about my ideas?

I deserve that for oversimplifying.

At any rate, my point remains: Throwing Noble Phantasms at the Lesser Grail won't solve anything. Another War could be just around the corner in Fate or Unlimited Blade Works, which may be born out by the offhand mention of some unspecified conflict in Character Material ten years after the Fifth War.

Keyne
June 15th, 2011, 02:16 PM
I deserve that for oversimplifying.

At any rate, my point remains: Throwing Noble Phantasms at the Lesser Grail won't solve anything. Another War could be just around the corner in Fate or Unlimited Blade Works, which may be born out by the offhand mention of some unspecified conflict in Character Material ten years after the Fifth War.
That will not be a Grail War. That will be a War for the Greater Grail. I'd say the Fifth War came to be because of the residue energy of the Fourth Grail that managed to gather in one place and summon the Grail and force another war.

Mike1984
June 15th, 2011, 08:23 PM
Yeah, that's the idea. From here, they would investigate and discover things about the Matous.

Yeah, that figures.


And being UBW, we have a Matou that is alive thanks to Rin so...

Eh? You mean Shinji would help them out?

I guess that's actually pretty plausible, once he gets past the "pissing himself at the thought of Rin finding out what he'd done to Sakura in the past" stage....


Hey, it's the beggining only. As I said, from there, shit hits the fan and anything could happen.

Well, of course. But, that's the difficult bit, ultimately. Getting them to find out is easy enough (if you're writing the fic so that they do), but actually helping her is a hell of a lot harder, especially if they've not had the time to make a plan.


... True... Scratch that, then. We want an original idea, not a drama angst without the dangers asociated to HF (impending world doom, Dark Sakura, AM being born, etc).

Yeah, exactly.


Though I'm thinking about copying a scene from HF, where Sakura, without almost any mana, try to kiss and absorb mana from Shirou... or Rin. That would put them on their toes.

Yeah, that would be interesting.

Although, if you do that, expect me to spend the rest of the fic pushing for a threesome :p


I agree with this. I see them in Fate and post Fate as best buds. Now, talking about what could happen afterwards is another matter. I'm rooting for Rin, of course, but I can see happen that either one of the sisters is the chosen, or neither, being Shirou either a chaste hero or with another woman.

Well, I'd say that they're friends, yes, but Fate Rin still hasn't really discarded the "true magus" persona to the extent that she does in the other two routes, so she doesn't really embrace that friendship in the way that she does there, and I certainly don't see her taking Shirou to London with her.

Alulim
June 15th, 2011, 08:26 PM
Yeah, that would be interesting.

Although, if you do that, expect me to spend the rest of the fic pushing for a threesome :p

Agreed.

Ergast
June 15th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Yeah, that would be interesting.

Although, if you do that, expect me to spend the rest of the fic pushing for a threesome :p

Then kindly remind me of pushing for a threesome in the next HF fic you suggest/writes/helps :cool:

Now, more seriously, I can't see happening, as Shirou and Rin would be in a relationship for more than 2 years, probably 3. But the awkward feeling they would have will help with:

a) Putting them on their shoes, as I said
b) Give us a laugh at Rin and Shirou's reaction.

Basically, it would be a comedic scene that later (a scene later, two at most) would be very different in their eyes, as they understand what really means.

The epilogue would be a Sakura overcoming her past with the help of her sister and her best friend, and maybe even finding someone special (I'm thinking about letting vague who would be this person, except that it wouldn't be Shirou, as he would be relegated to be just her first love)

Tohno
June 16th, 2011, 02:18 AM
Eh? You mean Shinji would help them out?

I guess that's actually pretty plausible, once he gets past the "pissing himself at the thought of Rin finding out what he'd done to Sakura in the past" stage....


I like this idea.

Mike1984
June 16th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Then kindly remind me of pushing for a threesome in the next HF fic you suggest/writes/helps :cool:

Yeah, and I'll ignore you just the same :p


Now, more seriously, I can't see happening, as Shirou and Rin would be in a relationship for more than 2 years, probably 3. But the awkward feeling they would have will help with:

a) Putting them on their shoes, as I said
b) Give us a laugh at Rin and Shirou's reaction.

Well, yeah, I doubt they'd actually have a threesome, although I wouldn't absolutely rule it out if Rin was feeling bad enough about her previous failure to help Sakura.


Basically, it would be a comedic scene that later (a scene later, two at most) would be very different in their eyes, as they understand what really means.

Eh, what do you mean?


The epilogue would be a Sakura overcoming her past with the help of her sister and her best friend, and maybe even finding someone special (I'm thinking about letting vague who would be this person, except that it wouldn't be Shirou, as he would be relegated to be just her first love)

Yeah, that is pretty much what I'd see happening, although finding someone else isn't going to be easy. Certainly Shirou and Rin would make sure to look after her and help her as best they could.

Keyne
June 16th, 2011, 04:09 PM
I'm having strange thoughts. It's about Shirou and Saber returning from Avalon and seeing Fuyuki at war, the grail war enthusiasts contra the opposition. They start looking for survivors and after some time they find Rin and Waver. From a raport from Rin they learn that among the GW enthusiasts is Zouken, Sakura's granpaw (deliberate misspelling). Putting together pieces of other info they learn that Sakura may be in grave danger. Shirou and Saber, aided by Rin, set out to help her.

(The Lady of the Lake returned the sword to Arturia. Also, she's at full power and can age normally)

Mike1984
June 16th, 2011, 04:38 PM
How would Shirou be in Avalon in the first place, though? He's not supposed to go there until he dies, even if he does make it.

The rest sounds reasonable, though, and Saber returning is not implausible.

Imperial
June 16th, 2011, 04:38 PM
Isn't this starting to cross over into the Fanfic Ideas Thread?

Edit: I assume Keyne is using Last Episode as a jumping off point.

Mike1984
June 16th, 2011, 04:39 PM
Yeah, but Last Episode doesn't happen until Shirou dies, presumably, and I doubt Shirou would be dead by that point.

Keyne
June 16th, 2011, 04:45 PM
It's a matter of interpretation. It isn't implausible that they're both still alive.

Imperial
June 16th, 2011, 04:49 PM
We don't really have a firm handle on exactly how old ShirArcher is supposed to be in Last Episode, do we?

He could have passed into Avalon some time in the ten years between the Fifth War and the new one just in time to return from Avalon to head the new one off at the pass. Of course, the dynamic duo would probably be Counter Guardians by then, which means there would probably need to be some justification for the two of them not being in killbot mode.

Keyne
June 16th, 2011, 04:49 PM
ShirArcher
The fuck? ._.

Mike1984
June 16th, 2011, 04:51 PM
It's a matter of interpretation. It isn't implausible that they're both still alive.

Well, by "dead" I meant "had reached the end of his life". I'm pretty sure that it's implied that he doesn't go there until he's lived to a decent age and done lots of heroic stuff.


Of course, the dynamic duo would probably be Counter Guardians by then, which means there would probably need to be some justification for the two of them not being in killbot mode.

Erm, what?

The whole point of Last Episode (and, in terms of Saber, Fate itself) is that they don't become CGs. If they come back at all, it will be with their free will very much intact.

Keyne
June 16th, 2011, 04:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that it's implied that he doesn't go there until he's lived to a decent age and done lots of heroic stuff.
The only implications were that his life was full of hardships but he when he looked back at his life occasionally, he could smile. Also, that a good few years passed. We could say that 10 years passed for him... but over a dozen centuries passed for Arturia. Avalon is beyond earthly time, after all.

Mike1984
June 16th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Well, Saber went there in 500 AD, so I'd say a good 1500 years must have passed for Saber....

But, if he only had to wait ten years before going there, I don't think that really shows how difficult it's "supposed" to be, and nor is it overly heroic for him to leave when he's still got plenty of years of heroing left in him. Plus, you go to Avalon when you're about to die (Saber certainly did), not when you have lots of life left in you.

Imperial
June 16th, 2011, 05:03 PM
Well, Saber went there in 500 AD, so I'd say a good 1500 years must have passed for Saber....

But, if he only had to wait ten years before going there, I don't think that really shows how difficult it's "supposed" to be, and nor is it overly heroic for him to leave when he's still got plenty of years of heroing left in him. Plus, you go to Avalon when you're about to die (Saber certainly did), not when you have lots of life left in you.

I agree with Keyne in that we don't know precisely how times flows in a mythical afterlife-realm. It could have been 1500 years. It could have been 15.

As for Shirou, perhaps he was mortally wounded during one of his unseen heroic efforts. Sure, he may have 'only' pursued her for 10 years, but in that time, if he showed the proper resolve and heroism, he could have earned his place in Avalon.

Keyne
June 16th, 2011, 05:07 PM
If Nasu ever manages to write a light novel about it, I'd be happy to read it. Fate!Shirou's future life holds so many secrets. While we know that one does not simply walk into Avalon, Shirou's a different case. He was the embodiment (and still is, for the connection still exists. He has dreams of Excalibur, just like before the war. Incidentally, Arturia has dreams of him.) of the Ever-distant Utopia.

As for Shirou, perhaps he was mortally wounded during one of his unseen heroic efforts. Sure, he may have 'only' pursued her for 10 years, but in that time, if he showed the proper resolve and heroism, he could have earned his place in Avalon.
Nonono, he was not pursuing her. He was pursuing his path.

RadiantBeam
June 16th, 2011, 09:14 PM
So, Moczo, anything catch your interest? I spy you lurking. :p

Moczo
June 16th, 2011, 09:19 PM
... no, not really, which is why I didn't say anything, dear. Just browsing at the moment. XD

Alulim
June 16th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Ah, too bad.

lethum
June 16th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Here's another idea for the X's who want to try something...a different idea:

After the fifth war is over, the Greater Grail begins to seemingly disassemble. It fixes itself, but not before spewing Chibi!Servants. The Chibi!Servants summoned are all of the Servants summoned in the 5 HGWs, and they can do no lasting damage, either to themselves or anything else (they and what they interact with follow the Rule of Funny, so to speak) but they keep their NPs, which they can use at zero prana cost.

You can choose to write your own original scene, or one of the following:

1. Chibi!Seiba(Arturia version) wants nookie from Shirou. He freaks out.
2. Chibi!FakeAssassin eating at a roasted chicken store. Tsubame Gaeshi, version 2!
3. Chibi!Herakles(without ME) keeps pranking Chibi!Gil.
4. Chibi!Medea Fails at cooking. Epically LIKE A KING
5. The Holy Grail Hide and Seek/Tag.

Or you can choose not to write, I guess...

Ergast
June 17th, 2011, 12:23 PM
Eh, what do you mean?

Well, at first the three would be all flustered about what happened, with Rin hysterical, Shirou freezed and Sakura embarrased till the point of boiling

And then Rin, after thiking about it, would understand why Sakura had done that, and why she was behaving so strange lately (sleepy, almost unconscious... all that). After that I don't know yet what would happen.


Yeah, that is pretty much what I'd see happening, although finding someone else isn't going to be easy. Certainly Shirou and Rin would make sure to look after her and help her as best they could

That's the idea. The point of the story is for Sakura to find her life, instead of being prisoner of Zouken, her own guild or a hopeless love.



If Nasu ever manages to write a light novel about it, I'd be happy to read it. Fate!Shirou's future life holds so many secrets. While we know that one does not simply walk into Avalon, Shirou's a different case. He was the embodiment (and still is, for the connection still exists. He has dreams of Excalibur, just like before the war. Incidentally, Arturia has dreams of him.) of the Ever-distant Utopia.

Nonono, he was not pursuing her. He was pursuing his path.

IIRC, its explicitly stated that yeah, Shirou is dead or dying when he enters Avalon. Just like Arturia.

Keyne
June 17th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Me knows dat, Ergast. I'd wager that he even returned to his youth there. It was just a bending of my interpretation. I can do that. :3

Mike1984
June 17th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Well, at first the three would be all flustered about what happened, with Rin hysterical, Shirou freezed and Sakura embarrased till the point of boiling

Well, yeah, of course.


And then Rin, after thiking about it, would understand why Sakura had done that, and why she was behaving so strange lately (sleepy, almost unconscious... all that). After that I don't know yet what would happen.

Well, Rin would be seriously facepalming at her own stupidity, I'd imagine. But, yeah, how she would react would depend a lot on how much she'd mellowed out over the two years she'd been with Shirou.


That's the idea. The point of the story is for Sakura to find her life, instead of being prisoner of Zouken, her own guild or a hopeless love.

Yeah, of course. Although, whilst she will certainly have to accept that Shirou will never be with her and move on, I can't imagine she'd ever stop loving him, even if it would (hopefully) become a more platonic love over time. And, in turn, I would imagine that Shirou and Rin would always treat her as family and always make her feel welcome in their home.

Ergast
June 18th, 2011, 06:56 AM
Rin should have been mellowed pretty much. Now she is the second owner without a tutor, the Shirou's teacher, the representant of the Tohsaka family in the Clock Tower and someone more open to her feelings thanks to Shirou (and Shirou is the same thanks to Rin). She wouldn't hide her feelings too much (except when is just for comedy, of course). The question here is: How much she has advanced in her way to be the heir of the Second?

And I never claimed otherwise. My idea was that Sakura's love for Shirou would be a platonic one at the end, like family instead of lovers. In any case, the epilogue should be 2 or 3 years after the story at the very least. Nobody can recover from what happened to Sakura so fast that the epilogue could be earlier.