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AstralSword
March 15th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Here is one of the first novels written by Kinoko Nasu.

It was, as stated in the thread tittle, translated to english by Evospace. There was a coment done by Kinoko at the beginning of Evo's post in the former Beast's Lair, and I will add it here if I get my hands on it.

The right way to read this is to look into the dictionary located in posts 7 and 8 in this thread as the terms appear in the text.

This thread was made in a somewhat crude way, so forgive me.

Thanks to DoonRavager for backing this up safely.

First of all, here's a comment from Kinoko.

"This was what I wrote when I was invited to make an anthology comic on the topic of angels.
However, the anthology wasn't text based and the other two were artists, so I was in trouble.
What is the meaning of a novel when over half of the book was pictures?
Especially when it's a short novel. That's how I came up with the irregular "Notes" after my doubtfulness.
I remember that I was pretty satisfied with what I came up with, considering that it was completed in a short amount of time.
Although, it's unpleasant to the eyes, it brings back memories when I cut and pasted what I typed out from the word processor.
...If I ever get a chance, I would like to make this into a real series of story too.
I always think about that when I look at the Black Barrel."

I am sorry that it took so long for me to put the comment here. Enjoy.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 03:58 AM
I have it!

Pretty typeset image version with dictionary here [Updated link] (http://www.mediafire.com/?4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh)

Text ver:


0/GODO
angel notes.
the metter of knights arms.
...and over count 1999
type: other

The aircraft rose further up in the troposphere.
The sea of ashen clouds had yet to disappear.

Iron wings soared in the grey sky
To annihilate the common enemy of the human race.

At the end of the battle, all but one of the aircrafts that had participated in the mission were destroyed.
Perhaps he was lucky that an obsolete AI was piloting it.
The AI controlled plane was the only one that was unaffected by the heat of the enemy.

I continued to fly by myself.
The organic pulsations echoing in the machine were just as I thought, belonged only to myself.

I opened the hanger and drew out my gun.
The air flowing in the machine was cold, burning his lungs.
The internal temperature had reached below zero. The coat he wore carried minimum meaning.
It was at a level that would just barely sustain organic life.

This aircraft, which had only been intended to act as a transport for flight-capable species, was unequipped with weaponry.
If I were to fight, I had to risk my life.

Arctic cold and rampaging winds.
The corpses of my comrades, spinal fluid leaking out from the noses and ears, laid behind me.
An old aircraft which could crash at any moment.
The situation was so absolutely bleak that I felt like singing out loud.

Holding the Black Barrel, which I modified for sniping, I did nothing but await for the enemy.
For the moment the enemy would enter the scope.
For the moment I could pull the trigger and be at ease.

Seven days had been added to the clock on the plane.
Only 7 days have passed.
My paralyzed brain felt that I could continue staying like this for another month, or maybe another year.
My body was always on the verge of collapsing.

How many days and months have it been?
My mind,
My language,
Myself,
Just when I had lost everything,
I recollected everything back.
The gunfs site caught the genemyh.
I pulled the trigger without hesitation.

My brain that punched through its limits, was scorched.
Just one brief moment before I fell into unconsciousness,
Just one slight moment before I blacked out,
Just a moment before I was about to fade away, I witnessed the form of my enemy.
How,
Beautiful.

---------------Between a rift in the clouds, I saw an angel.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:00 AM
Next couple of parts


1/Original Sin

So after I came back home from work, I saw an angel in my room holding a guitar.
...I guess I've finally gone insane.
Long, blond, wavy hair and a pure white one-piece dress.
A face that left hints of girlish youth and... a ring of light floating on top of her head?
If this wasn't an angel, I sure as hell didn't know what one was supposed to be.

"Good evening."
The Angel bowed with an awkward smile.

After rubbing my eyes, I walked inside. The Angel kept standing in the middle of the room holding the guitar, and for some reason was looking at me excitedly.

"Ok, who the hell are you?"

"I'm an angel," she laughed with a smile.

"Yeah, I can tell. What I meant was, why are you in my room? If youfre here to sell yourself, you came to the wrong room. I hate to break it to you, but I'm not making enough cash to buy an angel."

gUm, Ifm not here for that. Um, whatfs the best way of putting it? Ifd like tocdo your housework."

gI can do that by myself. Get out.h

" Now, I just can't do that. You see, I can do anything!"
Since she was full of confidence, I let her clean the place up. The result: a scene far more gruesome than a tragedy.

"...Um, my cooking's perfecth the angel said, quickly sticking her index finger up.

"No thanks. I can't take factory produced food. It has too much nutrition and the veins will rupture. You get what I'm saying?"

The Angel nodded. Seems like she at least knew that I was a human not part of the A-Ray species.

"Ok. So what else can you do?"

"I can play the guitar!" she said happily, stroking the guitar.

Her blue guitar was one of the types that used electricity to produce sound.
It wasn't the kind of merchandise that went well with angels.
And not just that. She just plain sucked.

"Get out."
I took the Angel's hands and kicked her out from the window.

Days passed and I went to the hospital.
"There is nothing wrong with your brain," answered a fish-faced doctor.

And so, everyday after finishing work, I wasted energy chasing away that Angel.
Eventually, I gave up bothering to.

"The sky, it's dark," the Angel muttered as she looked out at the sky from the window.

An Angel that didn't even know thatc
Figures. She didn't seem to be one of the artificial angels included in the A-Rays.
"Hey. Where'd you come from? Ifm guessing youfre not an A-Ray on this side of the rift."

"I'm not an A-Ray."
Then what are you?
"I'm a being that was created from the hopes and dreams of the people living in this city.
That's why I'm so pretty. Ifm glad that everyone had such pure souls."
The angel twirled around happily.
The edge of her skirt wavered like a dress.

Now that she mentioned it, she seemed unreal. The angel was too beautiful to be an inhabitant of the Land of Steel.
Her golden hair was so dazzling, that instead it projected poison.
So that means...she's an illusion that only I could see?

"Erm, so why is the manifestation of everybody's imagination in my room?"

"Because it's you who killed me!"

She seem to be mad that I didn't realize that, more so than the fact that I "killed" her.
When I asked her if she came here to get revenge, she answered back, "What's revenge?"

The angel turned out to be pretty handy and learned many things gradually. Now she apparently grasped what it means to clean.The only exception was anything involving the guitar.

"I'm not improving with the guitar at all. I'm playing it just like I'm imaging it, but what I'm thinking and what's coming out are completely different."

Ah, so there was a song she wanted to play. Of course, she wouldn't get any better.

"No shit. That guitar hasn't been tuned."
Yep. It was screwed up from the beginning.

The Angel tilted her head and asked, "What's tuning?"

2 / Public Garden

A female body having a pair of bird wings on the back. On top of that, it if also has a beautiful form, then that life form is called an angel.

My job was to shoot down twenty of those angels a day. That's why it wasn't that surprising for me to be seen as an enemy by all who were angels.

------------------------------

I came to this city a year ago. The strangest city within the land of steel.
No plants were able to grow on the soil of this planet. However, there were numerous grey colored trees within the city, and even an withered grass field on top of a hill. In the hill at the center of the city, there were two gigantic trees that covered the sky. These trees reached the sea of clouds, and it was called the World Trees for their size.

------------------------------

I chose my job as an angel hunter. In this city, angel came down from the sky and attacked people everyday. Although they do attack people, they're only at an annoying level of wild dogs, and not many were actually affected.
But if we left them alone, the city would be filled with angels, so the city council had to hire hunters.
I don't know if the angels have a set location they come down to, but I saw a lot of them in the forest of the city outskirt.

Pulling on the trigger of the gun, I absorbed the impact on my shoulder.
The naked angel fell down and hit the floor as it was shot right in the forehead.
On the floor of the forest, there were leaves and countless number of dead angels.
Going across the rough surface of the earth, I return into the walls that surrounded the city. A beast man who was appointed another area was waving his hand as he approached me.

"Hey. How's it going."

"Not much. Three coppers per kill. If I consider the cost of the bullet, I won't even have single copper for myself."

"It's because you use a gun. If you're a man, use your body."

"Well I'm sorry but I'm not that well built. I even need to take medication in order to get oxygen. I'm doing my best just to live"

"I see. You humans are so inconvenient."

"Indeed. Being human is inconvenient"

Yes, in this world humans are certainly inconvenient.
That's why human beings in the old age made a lot of creative tools. As a result A-rays were invented, and that ended up as the Great War.

That's how pure human beings were gone.

After a free loader called the angel stayed at my house, I increased my work load.
That angel ate food. Although the materials produced at the factory is free, there's a limit to it. So I had to increase my daily quota from twenty to thirty.
...How ironic was it to kill more angels to feed an angel.

"You're working hard lately"

"I'm just releasing my stress. Those targets actually look very alike to the cause of my stress, and makes this lame job exciting."

I couldn't help it and let it out. The beast man tilted his head.

"It's good thing that you're dedicated to your job. But watch out, they said there were some Knights who were inspecting the forest. I heard a Demonic Sword user was looking at you."

"----What does that mean? Is there an Aristoteles coming this way?"

"I dunno. More importantly, our pay is supposedly lowered this month again. That's a more realistic problem."

"Right. Is the financial bureau ready to kill us now?"

"I never done anything wrong though."

Said a prisoner who murdered over fifty human species.

The beast man sighed as he looked at the pile of dead angels scattered across the forest.

"Hey, you think we can eat them?"

He muttered a bad idea.

"Forget it. You'll be punished by heaven, I bet"

I made an obvious reply as I shrugged my shoulders.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:02 AM
Next couple of parts.


3 / Roman

On my way home from work, I got caught by an angel.
Not the Angel at home, but an actual angel within the A-ray branch.

"You're not very sociable lately. Rejecting an invitation from a pretty person like me, you must be an impotent."

She said that as she pushed me into a bar and offering a glass of alcohol. ...It's true I haven't spoke to her for about a half a year.

While we were having some casual conversation, a bunch of hecklers butted in. They say the angel should accompany the A-rays instead of that human. I thought so too, but she shut them up by a glare.

"I'm sorry, were you offended?"

"Yeah, I don't feel good about it, but they're right. Why do you care about someone like me. Don't the A-rays find a love partner in order to produce stronger species? I won't be able to create strong children."

"It doesn't hurt for an exception, does it? Besides, our outside appearance matters more for us. There's not many species that are close to the angels, and you're my type. There's no problem."

She said that as she drank the purple fizz in her glass.

Her appearance was a real angel. Her wings weren't used for flying, but used as a dish to collect the heavy particles in the surroundings. The angel species were able to fly without wings. Originally being the protectors of the A-ray called the Six Sisters, the angels were considered to have an equal fighting power as the Knights who carried the Demonic Sword.
In other words, they can perform a destructive activity as a nuclear bomb on their own.

As we drank more alcohol and more or less of our true characters were shown, she asked a weird question.

"Hey, why do you use a gun?"

"Humans can't use Gin like you A-rays, you know. Our strength is limited as well, so it's natural we have to rely on weapons. What other practical firearms are there other than a gun?"

"Hmm. That means humans aren't made to fight. But why do you still fight?"

"...Let's see. If I recall correctly, my family was killed when I was small. That's when I dug up a gun and practiced shooting so I can take revenge."

"Oh, typical."

Yeah, it's typical, I tried to laugh, but I couldn't. I never succeeded in trying to make a forced smile.

"But doesn't a family mean they were of the same species? I never heard of any humans living around here."

"I haven't told you, have I. I was originally born in West Land. The other side of the great rift."

"West Land... You mean the continent that got wiped out by the Black Aristoteles-----?"

Surprised, she fell silent. When West Land was completely scorched, I was a kid of only 12 or 13.

An old story from almost 7 years ago.

"By the way, do you still do that job?"

"I do. There isn't any other job opportunity for a halfwit like me. I don't want to be kept under a protection as rare species either. ...What, are you still complaining? They are different from you. Don't be so concerned, it's silly."

"I am concerned. I don't mind others to do it, but it makes me angry to think that you out of all people are killing angels everyday. Hey. Why do you hunt angels?"

--------That is because I am twisted.

"-------It's my job, I can't help it. "

I said that without looking at her eyes. She gave me a cold look, seeing through my lie.

"You're right. You've quit thinking. That's why you don't feel any pain. But, on the other hand, you don't feel any happiness either. You never have fun by recalling the past either. Your life must be like the machine you use. That's why you need to rely on something simple like logical reasoning in order to motivate yourself.

The angel said that with a discontent expression. But what's so wrong with being a machine. A theory that higher life forms having emotions was a real fantasy.

"What's wrong with you today? You seem to be very picky"

"No kidding. It's because you won't talk to me"

"A drunken angel isn't very appealing."

"What do you mean. I may look like this, but I'm very popular in my home town."

Answering, yeah yeah, I sipped on my glass. I was suppose to restrain myself tonight, but I'm passing out before her.

The angel asked me her last question.

"Hey, why do you fight?"

That's because I don't want to die.

"Then, why don't you want to die?"

Probably because I want to live.

"Why do you want to live?"

That's obvious.

Because, I never got to experience anything good.

"...Is that so. Needing logical reason in order to live, you're an underdeveloped life form."

Saying that, she left first.

But how can I help it. Because the human race kept on living by their instinct, the world died once. Having to rely on pessimistic reasoning is the only punishment given to the humans who were left behind.

4 / After Images

Slipping through the busy streets of the city, I returned to my room.

The Angel was stubbornly still there.

It's winter soon. The temperature would break the critical freezing point and the city would soon literally freeze.

But I didn't think of passing my second winter in this city.

"There's a lot of commotion in the city lately."

The Angel said that as she looked down from the window.

The large window, larger than the Angel, looked like a window of a church that I once saw in a picture book.

The Angel with blond hair and bright white wings bent over with a sad face. Behind her, the city and two World Trees were blurry like a mirage.

...Everything was inside a world in steel color. Only this Angel was pretty as if it was a nightmare.

The Angel looked down at the distant ground.

The city was packed with people who were trying to leave.

"Um. What is everyone doing?"

"They are moving out all together. The neighboring area was destroyed by a three thousand meter Aristoteles. Calculating its progressing route, they said it will pass through this city in three days."

"Above, me?"

"Above us. It might collide with the World Tree. Either way, everything in its path is destroyed. It's obvious why people are running away"

"Oh, so that's why everyone's so desperate"

The Angel said that as she looked down vacantly.

Glancing at the Angel who's just standing there, I started packing my belongings. I pushed winter equipments and clothing, personal air maker, and several guns into my bag. I decided to leave everything else behind.

"Are you going too?"

"Yeah, because I don't want to die. But not right away. I'll go out on my own after the commotion down there dies down."

The Angle sadly lowered her eyes. Because she was always happy for no reason, just that made her look really lonely.

"...This may be the last time, so let me you ask you a question. What were you after all?"

The Angel made a sigh without any seriousness.

I can only make out that she wasn't the existing species of angels.
That's why----- I wanted to know the truth, at least in the end.

A plain reply of the Angel.
"What everyone calls the Aristoteles"
You didn't know? The Angel looked at me like that.

Aristoteles. A thing that suddenly appeared on this planet and became an enemy of all living things. An unpredictable enemy where not only was there no method of communication, their biological structure as a living thing was unclear.

And that was, at a little city like this, in a room of a deserted tower, shaped like an angel, and playing a guitar? What kind of joke was that? ...No living things on this planet was able to stand up against this life form, what a punishment by God.

"Really? You?"

"Oh no, the thing at the base of this city to be exact. What I was, was shot down and fell to this place. It was an instant death. Trees grew and people started living on top of that."

The Angel goes on. This planet has no longer any power to raise life. That's why greens wouldn't grow, but if it was on top of another life instead of the earth, they would.

"I'm normally not that kind of thing, but I ended up like this. What everyone calls the World Trees are the wings of what used to be me. ...umm in other words, feathers of the wings. The falling feathers took shape of what I used to look like. I was originally that kind of invading life form. It's not the angels that were originally on this planet."

"But you're still shaped like an angel"

"Because I am everyone's fantasy. The body of what I used to be died already, but it seems something like the mind was still alive. But a concept of a mind never existed to me. The species of this planet have a wonderful ability to form a shape out of knowledge. Using everyone as a model, I formed a shape out of my knowledge that I had but never used.
The reason I'm shaped like an angel is because it's the closest image of the shape of what I used to be. That's how I was able to communicate with everyone by creating the same thought circuit. I was able to become myself by taking form of the imaginary angel."
The Angel detached herself from a thing called Aristoteles by becoming an illusion. She was able to acknowledge herself for the first time by becoming something not herself.
....She's already noone, but a manifestation of an angel that the people imagined on their own.

"Are you, happy?"

The Angel happily replied, yes.

Only an illusion stood here.

"-----I see, an angel can only live within an imagination."
I happened to recall the definition of an angel.
That it had wings, an halo, being really beautiful, and then, it's only an illusion-----
After all, a thing that brings you hope, can only be an fantasy.

When I thought about that, the angel sadly replied, you're right.

-------------------------------

"I wish I was a real angel"
With an appearance that looked more like an angel than an actual angel, she said something like that.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:03 AM
Final couple of parts.


5 / How a Star is Born

A huge flying cross moved away within the ashen clouds.
That thing which changed its course started disappearing from sight as it kept on pouring the rain of judgment.

-----It seems like the battle is over.

The air plane that I was on kept on increasing its altitude through the troposphere.
On the side of the plane was a big hole.

The wounded iron bird could no longer listen to what's told to do. It just kept on flying till its end as if it's the dream of all who have wings.

Soon or later, it will fly out of the ashen sea of clouds and reach the stratosphere. My body wasn't built so strong that I could breath at such place. But I don't have to worry about that. There's no guarantee that I would be alive by the time I reach there.

I leaned on the wall as I brought my gun down.

The door of the hanger remained opened. Just like how it once was, cold air blew in and I could see the earth very well.
Land without any colors. Even the ocean in the distance was colorless.

That was a world that is completely dead.

Even then. This world of steel, even then, felt so precious and my vision blurred.

......

I've seen something like this 5 years ago.

That day, the enemy that appeared through the clouds was beautiful than anything.
A pair of wings and a figure that somehow resembles a human. I shot that thing that looked like an angel. The bullet that is nothing more than a grain of bean to that thing, drilled into its forehead and dropped the angel.

That moment. The instant I pulled the trigger, our eyes met through the scope. There was no communication. That's all.

But since then, I kept dreaming of that thing falling down the sea of clouds, forever.

......

The angel that accompanied the plane woke up. One of her wings was horribly ripped.

Being a high ranking species of the A-rays, she was naturally forced to join this mission, and jumped in here after getting heavily wounded.

She only came here to rest her wings, but we were out of luck. The moment she came in when the hanger opened, the arrow of light hit this plane that was too close to the Cross.

The light pierced through her wing and the body of the plane, and took out her consciousness and the plane's AI.

And now several minutes later. The angel who was unconscious slowly woke up.

Good Morning, when I said that to her, she turned around and looked outside.
The thing called the Aristoteles was disappearing in the distant direction.

I told the angel who was spacing out our total loss and the success of the mission.

The angel approached in joy. As she crawled on the floor since she couldn't stand up, her hand slipped on something wet.
My blood that spilled over the floor made a pool and dyed the angel's body red.

"When you------ shoved me aside?"

Without answering her question, I just gazed outside.
Over the limitless clouds, the air plane kept on flying upwards.

The sky that I saw for the first time, was different from what I read in the books.

"The sky, it's red"

Repeating a phrase that I once heard somewhere, I couldn't hold strength in my hand anymore. The Black Gun fell to the floor.

"The Black Gun. So you really were the person who shot the Bird down."

"...I guess. That's what people say. But I used all my luck back then. Look at this mess now."

"Idiot. Because you saved me..."

"How can I help it. I wouldn't want a pretty girl like you dying in front of my eyes."

I said something really showy. It was so silly that it made me laugh.

That doesn't suit your character, she said that too.

We just kept on laughing without looking each other's way.

It was a small, weak, and a gentle voice.

"You've changed. You weren't this honest with your feelings before. So it is true that you've found someone else than me."

...I wonder if there was really such thing. Although if it's the angel who said she rather be a fake, she must be still waiting in my room for me to return.

They say that angels cure one's mind, not one's body.

"But that's not true. People don't change because of others I was always like this. I just acted like I didn't care, but I really was a good person. You couldn't tell, could you?"
"Oh, really?"

"Yeah, really. I wanted to become an hero when I was small too. I was immature, probably now too. ...That's why go. You can probably still fly down to the ground even with one wing. You don't need to come with me"

She stood up and looked at me strictly for some reason.

"Are you going to be okay? To be alone till the end"

"Didn't I tell you? I want to look cool. Because I wanted to be a hero. And I want to be alone at the end. -----Because I was all alone till now."
I think my clumsy forced smile went well.
Probably the best in my life.

"Good bye, then"

Flapping her single sided wing, she flew out.
She looked like a fish of an angel that swam in the red sea.

-----------------

I stood up and sat on the cockpit.
Not knowing what I'm doing myself, I tried fixing the broken AI.

If I still have some luck left, my fate might change.

When I closed my eyes, I heard a voice.

"Why did you fight?"

"Because I didn't want to die, of course"

"Why didn't you want to die?"

"Because I want to live, of course"

"...Then, why did you want to live?"

That's obvious. It's because------

At the farthest limit of my memory.
Only that answer was different from before.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:04 AM
The final part.


6 / Glitter Love

Just when I was about to leave the city, I got caught by a messenger of the military. Someone must have remembered an old story from 5 years ago and enlisted me in this mission.

When I returned to my room to pick up the Black Barrel that I left to rot, the Angel was still there.

"Are you going to fight that?"

"Looks like it. The Knights are assembling too, and the military's eager to do it. They're aiming to at least change the Cross's course. If that's it, then the possibility isn't zero"

"It's impossible. Everyone doesn't understand what an Aristoteles is. That isn't a life form on this planet. There is no, chance of winning."

"How could that be? In reality, we have already defeated 3 Aristoteles. If we have more fire power than them, it's not an unstoppable opponent"

"I don't know about that. They can't be judged by this planet's common sense. That's why even a concept of death doesn't exist for them. They won't stop until they achieved their objective."

"Objective? You guys had such thing?"

"Yes. It's not our own objective but we do. They arrived here to fulfill the wish of this planet. ...This planet died by the influence of the life forms that lived on it. The planet itself doesn't have a feeling of grief. Even perishing by the influence of its own life forms is "All right". A planet only carries a will; it carries no meaning. "
But there was an exception. The planet is able to forgive it because the life forms follow the same fate as the planet. But the human species were able to live on, even on the dead land. This planet was frightened by the existence that kept on living on top of its death, and cried out for help at its end. Please, wipe out the life forms that are still alive."

"...I see. So that's who you guys were"

When I muttered that, the Angel said no, as she shook her head.

"The only ones who were able to hear the cry of the planet, were also planets. I, no, we were the highest ranking species of those planets who received the will of this planet. For example, The Aristoteles that was called the Heaven's Corpse... what I used to be, was the most superior individual on Venus."

"Wha...t?'

Without knowing, I lost my breath. Our enemy were species that ruled over the alien branches of another planet, where our common sense doesn't apply. The strongest life form on a planet, was in other words, the planet itself. The human species who survived on this planet, to put it simple, were fighting 8 planets.

"---Yeah, there's no chance of winning. You got that right"

Yes, the Angel nodded sadly.

"On top of that, it's them who are right. ...geez. If the humans accepted the prophecy in the 2000th year, we would have gotten away by just being the victim "

"No...! The ones who are wrong are the Aristoteles. They don't have any will. Isn't it a bad thing to erase lives without having a will?"

The Angel who learned the common sense of this planet said that.

But there was no longer any notion of right or wrong on this planet. The only simple rule was that you either live or die.

That's why---- because I lived till now, I'm not going to be on the dying side.

"It won't change anything. I don't have any reason to fight either. I probably will never have any. At the point that we are just killing each other for no reason, we are equal. Isn't this the most simple way of life?"

The Angel won't answer.

"What are you going to do? Even if you have the same objective, that Cross and you are different things right? Then your body will be destroyed along with this city. You said you died instantly, but that's in our standards. I doubt the concept of death on this planet applies to a life form on another planet. Aren't you able to move already?"

The Angel facing down shook her head.

"No. If I move, the outer shell of the wings will shatter. All the leaves of what everyone calls the World Tree will fall. If that happens, uncountable numbers of angels will come pouring down. If that happens, everyone will die before the Aristoteles comes"

The gloomy Angel said that.

...She's right. The number of leaves of the tree that reaches the clouds is far more than the number of surviving human species. Billions of released angels will cover the whole planet in no time.

"But you'll die if you don't"

"It's all right. I am the people here. I am only an image created by them."

"It's just that they provided you knowledge. You are different from us. To you, we are just simple accessories. You should hurry up and take it off so you'll feel light."

The Angel sadly smiled, and again shook her head.

"You're an idiot."

"I know I am. But I can't help it.
-------------I love this place."

With teary eyes, the Angel said that with a feeling of satisfaction.

How can I argue with that?

"...Okay. I suppose that can't be helped."

Yes, as the Angel nodded her head, she stared at me. Her straight eyes were asking me, how about you?

"I'm going to die soon, you know. I think you can at least tell me that and the heavens won't punish you."

...The punishment itself that came to this planet said that irresponsibly.
As I carried my belonging on my back, I replied.

"Yeah. I'll be honest. I love this city too. ------------Besides, since that moment, I was obsessed with you."

Huh, the Angel opened her eyes widely in surprise.

"----U,um. What does that mean?"

"It must mean I've fallen in love with you, since then. I just realized that now"

When I threw out the words, the Angel sparkled her expression, but quickly put her head down.

"But I'm not a human being"

The Angel realized something like that just now.

....Geez, She's a real idiot.

"You know. There's only one human being left in the world and that's me. What does that have to do with anything?"

"Oh you're right. "
The Angel nodded in impression.

There's nothing else to talk about. I started walking outside as the time of the military gathering approached.

"See you. Go to someone with a better dream next time. You can become a real angel if you do that"

----My imagination was always twisted somewhere.

When I looked back at her one last time, the angel answered in a gentle expression, no.

"There's no such thing as a real angel. I rather stay a fake one."

The fantasy said that it will stay as a fantasy.

Is that so? Convinced, I left the room.

All that was left in the room was my older sister's guitar and the fake angel.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:09 AM
This is the dictionary (part 1):


鋼の大地 [over count 1999] hagane no daichi
Land of Steel
A planet that died. A globe that reached its end. A world where living things can't live.
The name of the world in the present time. It's not its official name, but a nick name passed down between the people who live in the corrupted land. Like the name Land of Steel indicates, a large part of the continent are now wild lands that are torn apart, covered by a tainted gray colored cloud.
Food can't be grown, and the atmosphere is no longer suited for the animals.
To put it in a human species way, a drastic end of a century. But even after the mother planet died, the humans were able to live on with its developed civil technology.
Even the planet's end where people once imagined, couldn't bring an end to mankind.

亜麗百種 [a-ray] a-ray hyakushu
Hundred Subspecies
Next generation primates that were created by the human species who used up all the planet's resource.
They were modeled after the living things that used to exist on the planet. They were modified/enhanced in order for them to survive on the corrupted planet. There were numerous branches to the A-rays, and they were categorized into about 100 major species. From 1 to 10 consists of only one type of A-rays each and not a mass.
Some carry the genes of humans and they look like us, but a large part of them are mix/evolved form of various creatures and primates.

人間種 [liner] ningenshu
Human Species
Human race on the Land of Steel. Evolved form of the old human beings who adapted to this world without changing their shape. They technically belong to the A-rays as well.
They were able to adapt and live on today's environment, but they still don't carry any ability more than a normal human being.
They are building a country in order to reconstruct their old civilization. Cease-fire with the Hundred A-rays.

大戦 [Babel's Tale] taisen
The Great War
After the death of the planet, there was a war between the survived human race and the Hundred A-rays.
Mankind in order to survive, and the A-rays to rule the world.
Under the Six-Sisters who united the unmassed A-rays, the human race were on the verge of defeat. Near the end of the war, mankind created the Knights and the Human Species, and it further killed the planet that's already dead.
There was no victor to this war. It was interrupted by an intruder that suddenly appeared and nearly wiped out both sides.

騎士 [Ether Liner] kishi
Knights
Life form that received an even stronger effect from the drastic environment. They wield a special weapon called the Demonic Swords. Aggressive species that can fight the A-rays equally without any support of firearms of the old age. There are currently 78 Knights enlisted.

魔剣 [knight arms] maken
Demonic/Magical Sword
The name of the weapon that Knights carry.
All human species born in this world are effected by Gin. Babies born with a large amount of Gin in them shape it as if it's their bones during their lives, and when they reach adulthood, it is laid outside their body. Because it is created with the unanalyzed entity Gin, it is able to cause various effects and its power is strong enough to be considered a weapon.
Only few humans can shape the Demonic Swords, and those who carry a Demonic Sword powerful enough to be used for war are considered as Knights. Only one Demonic Sword exists per Knight.

ジン [grain "Ether"]
Gin
Space dust. Name given to all the harmful and unpredictable particles generated from the planet that lost its function. Although it is harmful to humans, sometimes it gives an unique effect to their body, and some call it Ether. The Hundred A-rays, Human Species, Knights, are all new species created by this Gin. The energy transfer rate of the Gin scattered in atmosphere is incredible, and it resulted in a new level of warfare that was never possible on this planet.
With A-rays who can take in Gin into their body and Demonic Swords crystallized by Gin, all the weapons of the old age became useless.

人間 [Last-Seed] ningen
Humans
Human species who hasn't received any modification, or their descendent. Since they are no longer able to survive on this planet, it is said that they are on the verge of extinction.
In order for humans to live outside, they need support from medication or machines. They can't directly inhale the air, nor can they eat the food made in the factory because they raise the physical ability too much that they become poisonous.
They are rare, but have no value.

空が、昏い [cloud sky] sora ga kurai
The Sky, it's Dark.
Sky covered by clouds. The thick layers of cloud hides the sky since the great war. It doesn't mean the sky is gray; they just can't see the sky.

天使 [No.20 Guardian Angel] tenshi
Angel
Artificial angels within the Hundred A-rays. The 20th species within the 100, but it is equal to the top 10 just considering its power to destroy objects. A mass that protects a single A-ray species. The original is an angel in the largest religion of the old age. A human type that has a pair of bird wings.
Aggressive species that uses the absorbed heavy particle that scattered in the atmosphere after the world got destroyed as its source of power.

アリストテレス [ Ultimate ONE]
Aristoteles
8 Life forms that appeared near the end of the war. Unknown existences.
Not only their appearance, but each of their biology differs significantly.
The reason they used this name is a mystery, but the origin is probably a scientist from the old age.
Considering mankind and A-ray as their enemies, they repetitively attacked them indiscriminately. Mankind were broken their platform completely, and the hundred A-rays decreased in number significantly by them.
After the Great War was over, they slowed down their activity by the sea of clouds that covered the sky, but they still continue to slaughter the living things on the planet.
Since then, the human species and the A-rays ceased fire, and till they destroy the common enemy, they grouped themselves together as the human race.

六人姉妹 [No.1 savig system to earth] rokunin shimai
The Six Sisters
At the time of the Great War, beings that ruled over the Hundred A-rays.
It's said that they look just like humans, and that all six looked like witches in a fairy story wearing a black hat and riding on a broom stick. Each one of them carried an ability that surpasses all the hundred A-rays.
Near the end of the Great War, the youngest sister, "Judge" was defeated by a Knight, but her death cry tore apart a continent. The whereabouts of the remaining five is unknown.

黒いアリストテレス [type:jupiter] kuroi aristoteles
The Black Aristoteles
An Aristoteles that appeared in the western continent.
A black giant several dozen kilometers in size. Its form was pretty close to a human.
It was actually a group of black photon gas, and theoretically its size can expand infinitely. It carries a unknown core in its center that can only be described as an artificial sun, and the gases are emitted from this object.
Of the 8 Aristoteles, it eliminated the most living things. The western continent went on an all out battle, and it wiped them out without a scar. ... Although there's probably no such thing as a scar to this Aristoteles.
After this incident, a team of Knights were sent to the western continent. After a fierce battle, it was sliced into half by the demonic sword of Knight Edem, the Slash Emperor. The chopped artificial sun went berserk and burned the whole western continent.

十字架 [type:saturn] jyuujika
The Cross
A cross shaped Aristoteles that is 3000 meters long.
It's outer shell is composed of an illuminating mineral, and there's nothing else. This flying object fires a rain of light to the ground from its body.
The rain is a cross shaped electric impact that is a meter long, and it explodes as it hits the ground, annihilating the living things around it. There are variations to this cross shaped light and some causes an earthquake that tears apart the earth as it lands on the ground. The crosses struck on the ground are just like tombs spread about on the wild land.
aka the Flying Fortress, it seems to be the leader of the Aristoteles's that are on the planet.

DoomRavager
March 15th, 2011, 04:10 AM
And this is part 2:


ブラックバレル [Longinus]
Black Barrel
A black rifle that the Gun God uses. Created by a mineral that counters all Gin, it's a weapon that is feared by life forms that carry any slight amount of Gin.
But because all living beings that exists in the world are affected by Gin, it is impossible for them use or even touch it.
The God killer gun. If the target creature is stronger... in other words, the more Gin it carries, the more powerful the bullet becomes.
...Today, only the rare species that weren't able to evolve and doesn't carry any Gins can touch this gun.

空が、赤い [blood sky] sora ga akai
The Sky, it's Red.
The Sky in this world. Above the gray sea of clouds, there is not a blue, but a red sky.
It's not because of a pollution, but from the blood of one of the Aristoteles that appeared near the end of the Great War, Type-Pluto.
In order to not let Pluto enter the planet's atmosphere, the Six Sisters fought it and killed each other at the same time, and its blood covered the whole planet as a result. The gray cloud is said to be a shield that the Six Sisters placed.
Within this red sky, the two Aristoteles that are prevented from entering the planet is floating like fishes that swim in the sea.

天の亡骸 [type:venus] ten no nakigara
Heaven's Corpse
An aristoteles estimated to be a thousand meters long. It appeared after the Great War and was flying in the sea of clouds. Its shape was never confirmed by anyone, and its details was unknown.
A life form that had a pair of wings, and compared to the other Aristoteles's, it was close to this planet's species
According to the records, it was shot down in the mission by the Knights in the 83rd year of the new calendar, and it fell somewhere on the continent. Originally, it was a life form that lands on the earth of a planet, rooting itself, and spreading its spore as it eats away the planet.
It can also be described a gigantic carnivorous plant.
...It was put to an eternal sleep by the Black Barrel.

銃神 [GODO] jyuushin
Gun God
..."His" nick name given upon the mission of the "Bird drop" Some sarcastically called him a god imitator.
A rare pure human. He excavated the Black Barrel from a sealed area, and made it his gun.
Died during the intercept mission of Type-Saturn.

アリストテレス [Ultimate ONE]
Aristoteles
Life forms that came from the other planets.
They were the strongest life forms on their respective planets, and each of them had the power to wipe out all the remaining living beings in this world.
The name Aristoteles was given by the humans, and they have no such things in the first place. The Aristoteles don't fight each other, and they just freely fly around killing things.
Several Aristoteles among them contacted mankind learning about this planet's concept of "knowledge".
After Type-Saturn, who received orders from their respective planets and sent it to the others, got eliminated, they entered a final war with the human race.

タイプムーン
Type-Moon
It didn't appear in Notes, but it said in an interview long time ago that it's a secret boss in Notes who carries the Demonic Sword, "Real of the World" (True World?)

willyvereb
March 15th, 2011, 04:11 PM
Nice!
I missed these quite much. Again I say it's too bad Nasu would probably never expand this story.

Crimson Moon
April 25th, 2011, 09:20 AM
There was a ED song of this, Monologue I think?

terraablaze
April 25th, 2011, 09:39 AM
If you are talking about a soundtrack Morrigan WAVE made an unofficial one. Don't know if that is what you are looking for.

DoomRavager
April 25th, 2011, 01:57 PM
Eh, AstralSword, about that "comment done by Kinoko at the beginning of Evo's post in the former Beast's Lair"...

Crimson Moon
April 26th, 2011, 02:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAoXbpk0qmI
so the After Image album is unofficial?
and, Could you find the lyrics of this for me?

Erlkonig
April 26th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Nice!
I missed these quite much. Again I say it's too bad Nasu would probably never expand this story.

Too bad, right? It's so promising.

ItsaRandomUsername
April 26th, 2011, 09:37 PM
If anything deserves an OVA, it's Notes. Expanded world would be good too, but I'd like to see an animated version with new scenes/details added.

Kickass. Notes was one of the reasons I got into Type-MOON in the first place.

SeiKeo
April 26th, 2011, 09:41 PM
If anything deserves an OVA, it's Notes. Expanded world would be good too, but I'd like to see an animated version with new scenes/details added.

Oh man. SO WANT. Can you imagine an animated version of Ado Edem vs Type Jupiter? Why is Ufotable working on Zero now? Switch!

food
April 26th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Hey man, they necro'd Mahoyo.

You know what's next.

hbomb
April 26th, 2011, 09:43 PM
Oh man. SO WANT. Can you imagine an animated version of Ado Edem vs Type Jupiter? Why is Ufotable working on Zero now? Switch!

because fate is more popular

ItsaRandomUsername
April 27th, 2011, 01:24 AM
Hey man, they necro'd Mahoyo.

You know what's next.

Where's that picture from that one Fate doujin where the cast all says "WE BELIEVE"?!

Fangstrike
April 28th, 2011, 07:05 PM
Anyone have the epilogue written by Evospace?

NanayaVash
May 2nd, 2011, 01:37 PM
I've got it, somewhere. I lost it.

EDIT:

-- Found it, will post it once I type it back into my computer.
But, what is up with everyone accepting the end after chapter 6? :S

AstralSword
August 4th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Kinoko's comment is right in the first page. Now the only thing missing is Evospace's alternative ending.

Since the last post in this topic was in may 11th, I hereby ask anyone who has it backed up to post is here.

Kotollama
August 4th, 2011, 12:38 PM
omg astralsword revived

AstralSword
August 4th, 2011, 02:01 PM
Yup. Returning from the ashes of my own fire... Or something like that.

I have to stop being a lurker most of the time, heh

Kotollama
August 4th, 2011, 03:18 PM
Yup. Returning from the ashes of my own fire... Or something like that.

I have to stop being a lurker most of the time, heh

you have a brother called Shun?

poor boy.

Kotonoha
August 4th, 2011, 03:31 PM
Shun, the nonbeliever?

Sherrinford
August 4th, 2011, 03:38 PM
Andromeda Shun

This guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Shun

fun fact: he's male.

Kotollama
August 4th, 2011, 04:11 PM
Wait, WAIT.
Someone don't know Saint Seiya?

Here in Brazil this is fuckin impossible! I'm not saying it is good, but even my mother watched a movie of them!

Sherrinford
August 4th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Wait, WAIT.
Someone don't know Saint Seiya?

Here in Brazil this is fuckin impossible! I'm not saying it is good, but even my mother watched a movie of them!

Sadly, I don't think it had much success in America...

Sniff... I grew up with Seiya & co... beautiful memories...

Mazyrian
August 4th, 2011, 05:17 PM
We should pity the North Americans, who couldn't grow up with Saint Seiya

Strife ❤️
August 4th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Is notes actually Nasuverse canon? I never really knew.

SeiKeo
August 4th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Notes is 100% canon.

AstralSword
August 4th, 2011, 07:10 PM
Andromeda Shun

This guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Shun

fun fact: he's male.

In the original manga he is as manly as any other saint. It was in that thing TOEI Animation made that the chain user became the puppy we all mock so hard. Poor Shun.

Saint Seiya is rather good when you read the manga AND watches the series afterwards, just to actually feel the fights more nicely.


Is notes actually Nasuverse canon? I never really knew.

Notes is, like, the draft Nasu based all his latter works into. Pretty much most of the concepts here can be found in his other creations. He just added more later.

Kotollama
August 4th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Saint Seiya is rather good when you read the manga AND watches the series afterwards, just to actually feel the fights more nicely.

UBW Movie? **giggles**

AstralSword
August 4th, 2011, 07:35 PM
UBW Movie? **giggles**

Yeah. The animation is pretty much for the eye candy lol

Kotollama
August 5th, 2011, 05:09 AM
Of course, why they would explain, at the cinema? Do action scenes! this call the interest for newcomers to buy the game.

SOME of these will loof foward for the plot.

They did right; but Archer saying that he could trace Excalibur if h wanted (he didn't treace at the movie, so he's the new Yami Yugi, always use a bluff) and Shirou tracing Caliburn without have any deep familiarization with the sword made me lol.

Sherrinford
August 5th, 2011, 05:50 AM
In the original manga he is as manly as any other saint.

Really? Did he still get his ass saved by Ikki every. single. time?


Saint Seiya is rather good when you read the manga

Yeah, but... "Saint Seiya! The only manga whose doujinshi are drawn better that the original!" (internet anonymous)

:neco_arc:

Kotollama
August 5th, 2011, 06:01 AM
Yeah, but... "Saint Seiya! The only manga whose doujinshi are drawn better that the original!" (internet anonymous)

HAUEIHEIOUEHEAIUAEHUIAEOHAEIUAHEIOUEAHAEIOUAEHAOIE UHEAIAUEHEAIOUHAEIOUEAHAEIOUHEIOUAEH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AstralSword
August 5th, 2011, 11:04 AM
Really? Did he still get his ass saved by Ikki every. single. time?



Yeah, but... "Saint Seiya! The only manga whose doujinshi are drawn better that the original!" (internet anonymous)

:neco_arc:

When Ikki comes to save the day, he saves everybody's ass, not only Shun's. And he never asks for help like in the anime. It's just not fair with the character :(

And I agree that the art style is rather crude sometimes lol

Kotollama
August 5th, 2011, 11:48 AM
he know how to do nice metal effects with light-and-shadows...
...that's all.

AstralSword
August 26th, 2011, 02:42 PM
This thread isn't appearing im the Translation Thread'd list. The hell?

Edit: After I posted this it appeared. Can someone tell me how long it takes for a thread to "disappear" when nobody in posting in it?

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 08:05 PM
Hey guys, sorry to revive an old thread but I can't figure out anywhere else to put/ask this.
So I'm betting everyone knows about this:

Notes. imaged sound album "AFTER IMAGE"
2950

Short version: music album inspired/companion to Notes. For more info, check this (http://vgmdb.net/album/6594)

So, I've lurked everywhere for the translation of the lyrics, anyone got them and would be so kind to share? :)
Also I thought might be a good companion to Notes and also to place it somewhere in the forum (unless I used the search feature wrong ^^'

Cruor
October 4th, 2011, 08:09 PM
I think Evo actually translated the lyrics for a few songs in that actually.

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 08:16 PM
Here's to hoping he'll be kind enough to post them. I'm really curious about monologue and meteara elko ' na :P

On a side note (and putting this thread back on track regarding Notes ;)) I actually think this would make an excellent OVA.
Each chapter of the story could serve as an episode. Well maybe not /0 GODO, but they could incorporate the Notes in the story somehow, developing that part of the Nasuverse further.

In question that always bothered me was its place in the Nasuverse itself, IMO I think its before Tsukhime, based on what I read thus far, unlike most people who think it's a Post-Apocalyptic or something.

SeiKeo
October 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Place in the Verse? First, it may not even be in the Verse: it's never been stated outright that it is, IIRC, and nothing in it requires it to follow on. Second, assuming it is, it's pretty clearly far after Tsuki.

Cruor
October 4th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Well, ORT's definitely in Nasuverse (Avenger calls it out as being OP, and CM). And CM says that ORT arrived to destroy the human race after it heard Gaia's call.... But arrived too early? And we know the TYPEs were called by Gaia to fuck shit up while it was dieing.

TypeWannabe
October 4th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Plus Godo, Ado Edem, V/V, pretty much the whole Notes shebang was present in Character Material, which includes other Nasuverse stuff.

Dartz
October 4th, 2011, 09:14 PM
Second, assuming it is, it's pretty clearly far after Tsuki.

Not necessarily. As Crimson Moon is alive in Notes. I bet it comes after KnK rather than Tsukihime. Since it's one of Nasu's first works, he probably didn't even have Tsukihime in mind when he wrote it.

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 09:20 PM
Place in the Verse? First, it may not even be in the Verse: it's never been stated outright that it is, IIRC, and nothing in it requires it to follow on. Second, assuming it is, it's pretty clearly far after Tsuki.

Why's it so obvious? If anything Notes' pretty damn ambiguous in it's setting and timeline.
And what they said above too plus the Black Barrels and GODO are from the continent of Atlasia if I recall correctly. Sound familiar, right?

To enlighten why I think it's before Tsuki, I'm kind of thinking about Liners and A-Rays: came up with the theory that A-Rays might somehow be the ancestors of the True Ancestors (or the ones who served CM and to whom he gave powers to)

SeiKeo
October 4th, 2011, 09:25 PM
Not necessarily. As Crimson Moon is alive in Notes. I bet it comes after KnK rather than Tsukihime. Since it's one of Nasu's first works, he probably didn't even have Tsukihime in mind when he wrote it.

Oh, universes. I meant timelines.

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 09:34 PM
I meant it's place in the Nasuverse timeline of events. My opinion stands. :P

SeiKeo
October 4th, 2011, 09:35 PM
Well, here's a question. In Notes, Gaia is dead. You mean to say that Gaia un-deaded?

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 09:56 PM
Yes. Zeltrech might've had something to do with it though.

SeiKeo
October 4th, 2011, 09:57 PM
Well, either someone somehow found a way to restore the Supreme Reality Marble and revive Gaia, or Notes is later. I find the second easier to believe.

NanayaVash
October 4th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Again, Zelretch: insanely powerful magi who deals with parallel realities? Might not so far fetched for him to be able to conjure up such a thing.
And while Gaia might be dead, after all, it is a planet, so our laws of life and death (common sense) don't apply to it.
Although, if I recall correctly, it was still dying when Notes takes place, not completely dead. I might be wrong.

Elyrin
October 4th, 2011, 10:29 PM
Gaia in Notes was completely dead before the Types started showing up, she basically called them with her last "breath"

I doubt there are any magi that have ever existed who could do something so ridiculous as to create a Supreme Reality Marble out of nothing. "Normal" Reality Marbles are hard enough, imagine one taken up to eleven thousand, covering the entire planet all the time, and self-sustaining, when there's no energy left to create it with in the first place. Yeah.

Dartz
October 4th, 2011, 10:38 PM
Oh, universes. I meant timelines.

I still think it won't follow the Tsukihime timeline, since Crimson Moon is alive in Notes.

SeiKeo
October 4th, 2011, 10:40 PM
So, I have to pick between KnK and Notes, and Fate and Tuski?

...Sorry Fate/Tsuki, Notes and KnK are just too good.

Dartz
October 4th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Come to the think of it. We don't know if the Tsukihime timeline is exactly the same as the FSN timeline. It might differ in more ways than one (specially when Zelretch is involved), all we know is that in FSN, Zelretch also defeated Crimson Moon.

Cruor
October 4th, 2011, 11:06 PM
I still think it won't follow the Tsukihime timeline, since Crimson Moon is alive in Notes.

Doesn't it just mean that he succeeded in reincarnating (into Alt, Arc, TA's that hid themselves, or any of their descendents)?

^We know ORT and PM exist. And most like Moon Cell does as well.

Dartz
October 4th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Not really. I am with Mcjon01 here. I seriously doubt Crimson Moon is going to reincarnate in "that kind" of way. After all, they are stated to be a single entity (True Ancestors are aspects of him from the start).

Also, I meant that there could still be changes between the timelines, even if it has some similarities. For example, the Tsukihime timeline equivalent of FSN could be a timeline similar to Akiha's route, where Shiki didn't met Arcueid. Or it could be a timeline where Shiki's clan wasn't exterminated by the Tohno's. Or a timeline where Roa never became a vampire for some reason.

food
October 5th, 2011, 06:46 PM
Come to the think of it. We don't know if the Tsukihime timeline is exactly the same as the FSN timeline. It might differ in more ways than one (specially when Zelretch is involved), all we know is that in FSN, Zelretch also defeated Crimson Moon.

It's the same.

There's this Q&A about how you can travel between Fuyuki and Shiki-town by train or something. They are in the same time-line and dimension.

Dartz
October 5th, 2011, 06:53 PM
The fact that Misaki city also exists in FSN doesn't mean everything happened in the same way. See the second part of my post above.

food
October 5th, 2011, 06:59 PM
What happened in the "routes" can be considered different, until Nasu comes up with a "canon route" for each.

However, the background information (i.e. what happened in the distant past and far future, in other words, the "setting") can be considered the same. There's a reason Jonnobi shoved everything related to Fate and Tsukihime together (but isolating all the rest), they are already considered within the same universe.


Q: About Tsukihime, which has the same background world setting as Fate/stay night, what happened first timeline-wise? And how many years apart are they?
A: The end of Tsukihime is the beginning of Fate/stay night.

See?

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 07:48 PM
Notes is not set before Tsukihime, regardless of whether or not it is part of the same universe or not. If it were set before Tsuki, then it would be in a different universe where a lot of shit would've changed- To reach the level of technology humans had to survive in Notes would mean to be able to somehow manufacture food without agriculture or cattle, since Last-Seeds like Godo need specially-made food to survive.

This means that... Yeah, the Dark Age would've never happened, if the date was really 1999, even though Overcount might mean anything. This is of course if we're talking about them being set on the same timeline.

Second, I doubt Gaia can be brought back to life. Especially due to the fact it must've lost some huge amounts of Grain, which are its celestial make-up. I don't think Grain is something easy to recover.

And while I would argue against Dartz with the whole CM thing... Well, I don't want to cause any long-drawn discussions.

Dartz
October 5th, 2011, 07:56 PM
And while I would argue against Dartz with the whole CM thing... Well, I don't want to cause any long-drawn discussions.

What do you wanted to argue? The statement about Notes not being set after Tsukihime because CM is alive? About the other CM statement, it's based on facts and statements from the VN, MBAA, etc, so your argument would have zero validity unless you also use direct Nasu quotes.

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 07:58 PM
What do wanted to argue? The statement about Notes not being set after Tsukihime because CM is alive? About the other CM statement, I am using facts stated in the VN, MBAA, etc. You can't argue against that no matter how much you want to, since I'm only following direct Word of God here.

It's about the whole CM reincarnation thing. IIRC, if Arc lost her sense of self she'd become CM, I'm not sure if she would become the actual CM or just a being as close as possible as Crimson Moon. Nasu could've perfectly been referring to that.

Dartz
October 5th, 2011, 08:15 PM
That would imply the make-up of her body would change, which wouldn't make sense, considering the CM inside her is an aspect of her (an aspect that all TAs have and that only manifests on the most pure and powerful TA). And you know, it's explicitly stated that the CM aspect is not a different personality. Also, the CM's reincarnation process is different than Roa's, since Roa overwrites the soul of his host with his own, which is what makes the host gain vampiric traits.

My opinion, I think that her base personality is the CM's, since you know, Plus Period states that Arc's current personality was created after Shiki killed her. And I think this interpretation is the only way the "not an alter ego of Arcueid, but one and the same as the normal her" statement would make sense, if the normal her is the CM.

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 08:26 PM
I do not think Gaia would trust anyone with CM's personality a second time.

terraablaze
October 5th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Why not? She apparently trusted him the first time after all. Not sure how quick on uptake Gaia is when learning from mistakes (does she have any reason to suspect Brunstead?).

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 08:37 PM
Planets confirmed for massive slowpokes?

Dartz
October 5th, 2011, 08:38 PM
I do not think Gaia would trust anyone with CM's personality a second time.

Have you seen Archetype Earth's actions and statements in MBAA? None of her actions go against the Planet's will (she actually obeys the planet, see Ryougi's ending), she even defeated Dust of Osiris because she thought her plan of destroying humanity just for the sake of destruction was stupid. In fact Dust of Osiris called her the Planet's will. She even got really pissed when Ryougi killed Shiki, so it seems her feelings are the same.

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Then why did all that DRAMA with Zelretch come up?

That would mean the previous CM is different in character to the CM Arc, thus Arc's base personality would not be CM.

Also wut, Archetype-Earth is CM?

terraablaze
October 5th, 2011, 08:41 PM
@Dartz
I don't think much of the non-Japanese speaking community here has seen anything beyond the few translated segments like Powered Ciel's win quote.

Dartz
October 5th, 2011, 08:56 PM
That would mean the previous CM is different in character to the CM Arc, thus Arc's base personality would not be CM.

Yeah, that's what I think. CM Arc seems a lot nicer in comparison to the original CM. For example, when talking to Dust of Osiris, she referred to the True Ancestors as her beloved children, while (according to Roa) the original CM had actually shunned them.

^ Yeah, it's a pity.

Erlkonig
October 5th, 2011, 08:57 PM
...This begs the question:

Why did Crimson Moon derp so freaking hard?

Counterguardian
October 6th, 2011, 04:50 AM
...This begs the question:

Why did Crimson Moon derp so freaking hard?

"LOLOLOL HUMANS AND MAGI"

Erlkonig
October 6th, 2011, 05:01 AM
"LOLOLOL HUMANS AND MAGI"

If only I had photoshop skills I would-

Cubia - the - Anti-Existence
October 6th, 2011, 05:45 AM
Maybe Brunested really isn't "dead" but rather just disembodied and removed from Gaian Order. Types are suppouse to have no "concept of death"

Roa mentions that the Crimson Moon can not exist by gaia or alaya. So it could be that while Gaia allowed Brunested to appear at least one or both parties knew that the coutner force would attempt to get rid of him and they just ignored it either not thinking it important or figuring "Meh if the deal can be kept the counter force wouldn't be abble to amass enough power to do anything. My current theory is that after being defeated Gaia simply didn't notice that the original CM was ejected from her world egg do to the TA being seeds.

Chances are an alien lifeform can't manifest on another planet without permission of some kind otherwise we would have a lot more wierd shit on nasu-earth. Instead the only aliens are vampires, ORT and maybe those tentacle monsters 4th war caster summons.

Anyway my idea is that once Gaia died earth became a neutral territory again thus allowing Brunested to remanifest.

Alternatively Crimson Moon Arcuied is to the Crimson Moon what Ko-Gil is to Gilgamesh and the time between Shiki dying and Notes drove her derp just like the original CM.

Erlkonig
October 6th, 2011, 11:40 AM
Or Shiki might've never existed and Notes would be a parallel universe?

Or maybe Shiki just took a Far/Side route.

Remember, Notes was made before Nasu even thought of Tsukihime.

ssjokg
April 29th, 2012, 12:19 PM
If it isnt a problem could someone reupload the version that DoomRavager uploaded?

DoomRavager
April 30th, 2012, 04:07 AM
Of course it's not a problem.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh

ssjokg
April 30th, 2012, 05:28 AM
Thank you DoomRavager!!!!

Apple
April 30th, 2012, 02:23 PM
...This begs the question:

Why did Crimson Moon derp so freaking hard?

Crimson moon created or drowned itself in a circular argument?

AstralSword
September 4th, 2012, 11:15 AM
This is strange. Why does this thread disappear from the list? I could only find it by searching it through the forum helper.

I believe that after some post, it will appear again, but can smeone tell me how long will it take for the thread to vanish again?

Crown
September 4th, 2012, 03:07 PM
The jews did this.

AstralSword
November 12th, 2015, 09:46 AM
Could not find it at all. It is good I had the thread's link backed up.

CosmicVibe
November 12th, 2015, 09:58 AM
Yeah,even I wasn't finding it:ciel:.Welp, time to re-read again.

Leftovers
November 12th, 2015, 10:08 AM
can smeone tell me how long will it take for the thread to vanish again?

http://i.imgur.com/lDESv3A.png

AstralSword
November 12th, 2015, 10:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/lDESv3A.png

Oh ok. Thanks :)

Zephyr
February 2nd, 2016, 12:29 PM
Evospace epilgue/alternative ending

Epilogue / How a Planet is Reborn


The Angel was looking out the window, waiting for his return.
Suddenly the door flung open.

"!! Welcome home... oh."

"So you're the one. You're so cute; no wonder he wouldn't look at me"
The one winged angel shrugged her shoulders.

"Um, excuse me. Who are you?"
The timid angel asked.

"Oh I'm sorry. I was a friend of his. I accompanied him in his last mission.
I was apparently the only survivor..."

"!! Then he is..."
Her eyes widen.

"Yes, he died. Although I didn't see his end, he would have never made it back in that condition. "

"I see..."
The Angel dropped her head.

"He seemed really lonely. I regret that I didn't stay by his side at the end...
I've decided to gather comrades to challenge the Aristoteles once again. It's nothing nice like trying to save this world... I just want to avenge his death. Typical, isn' it?
How about you. Do you want to come with me?"

"...I still want to wait for his return here."
She said with determined eyes.

"I see. Yeah, the chance of him being alive isn't zero. Keep your hopes up."

"Yes!"
People's hope itself said that.

As the angel was about step out, she turned around her head.
"Oh yeah, what's your name?"

"Uh, me? Oh! ...I'm V,Venus."

"What a lovely name. I'm Alicia, Alicia Brunestud. Good bye Venus"
She said that as she closed the door behind her.

She later on became the mother of a great hero.
An half A-ray half Liner who eventually saved this "planet" and influenced a story that took place long long after...

--------------------------------------------------------

Winter was almost over, and greens have just began to sprout in the city.
The Angel was practicing the guitar so she can show how much she's gotten better when he returned.

Suddenly the door flung open.

"I'm home. I'm sorry I'm late. "

Tears rolled down the cheek of the Angel.

Gun God, deceased during the intercept mission of Type-Saturn... on the record.
He had lost his entire right half of his body from frost bite and such. He would never be able to use a gun again either way.

He embraced her in his remaining arm.
The Angel he touched for the first time felt warm.

-----------------------------------------------------------

"...Then, why did you want to live?"

That's obvious. It's because there's still something I wanted to do.
I wanted to make someone happy-----------------


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Evospace translation of track 9 (Monologue / "meteara elko'na") of the Notes image album.

Maybe this world ended onceBut I believe this world still exists
I didn't know anything, but I learned everything as an phantasm:
Knowledge, will, and the meaning of life
That's why I can believe that this world hasn't ended yet
Of course, a phantasm is just a phantasm
And everything might be just a deception
Even then, even for me, I now have something important
It is small, but its' certainly reality
That's why I want to at least continue being a phantasm like how a phantasm should be
In a shape of a dream that the people living in this world wishes for
The world that taught everything to me who knew nothing


Maybe this world ended once
But I believe this world still exists
On the steel colored land
Even then, as long as someone is alive


I was only a deception
but this feeling must be real.
Did this song reach there?
To the world that taught everything to me who knew nothing
And to you.


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This is everything I managed to find using Wayback machine.
Hope you guys enjoy

Dartz
February 2nd, 2016, 03:16 PM
Wow, thanks a lot. How come I never saw his? I thought I had digged for everything in the old BL. A Brunestud A-Ray angel? What could this possibly mean?

Leftovers
February 2nd, 2016, 03:26 PM
Nothing. It's fanfiction.

Dartz
February 2nd, 2016, 03:35 PM
Oh I thought it was one of those obscure excerpts left by Nasu in a blog or forum somewhere. Nevermind then.

Zephyr
February 2nd, 2016, 04:06 PM
Wow, thanks a lot. How come I never saw his? I thought I had digged for everything in the old BL. A Brunestud A-Ray angel? What could this possibly mean?
You are welcome. As Leftovers said it's just a snippet written by Evospace (aka fanfiction). Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough.
Upon finding this I remembered that someone on this forum asked about it, so I posted it here.

And, well, Wayback machine has just a few pieces and slices of the old forum, with each snapshot having diferent pieces from the others (with some overlap). It's very inconveniet to navigate. Even when you find a thread is likely that several pages will be missing from it, so it's pretty easy to miss stuff.

Broke
February 9th, 2016, 12:39 PM
I thought Notes got an update. Nope, just fanfic.

Welp. Back to Prillya I go.

Trubo
February 9th, 2016, 03:36 PM
Notes getting an update. Good one.

hayate
March 10th, 2016, 05:52 AM
I thought Notes got an update. Nope, just fanfic.

Welp. Back to Prillya I go.

Feeling the same way...

Hoping someone revives the plot of Notes.