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So let me get this straight Joan has the potential too but didn't because what? That makes no sense.
Oddly, having been given approximately no information on Nasuverse Jeanne's wars, we don't know. But this is the point I'm making: our Jeanne has no legends of killing hundreds of people because she didn't. Nasu's Jeanne at least carried a sword, so that's different. There is nothing useful to be done by saying that Nasuverse Jeanne didn't kill hundreds, because she very well may have done. Our history is no longer a good guide.
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Secondly, the middle east was more hardcore at that time(considering you know people ripping the arm of the devil)
Hassan's centuries later (and I doubt he stole Shaitan's arm with pure stats); 'more hardcore' is a hilariously subjective measure; and you've stated something with no comparison. It's reversed easily enough by pointing back to all the absurdities Fergus or Cú Chulainn or Arthur or whoever else got up to. Hassan didn't kill a thousand men at one stroke, or flatten mountains by standing on them.
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Thirdly, your point about Sasaki is foolish and you should've worked that out. If all the stats were determined by legendary prowess he wouldn't be particularly powerful yet he is.
You're very mixed up. Legendary prowess derives from their stats. I submit that if Ali was AAA in everything like you seem to want, he'd have a better record in battle. Moreover, Sasaki's a very very good swordsman; that doesn't actually make him a particularly powerful Servant.
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Fourthly, you've ignored the class container's/fame effect on servant stats. Even if he was weaker than the container he'd be pulled up. He's at least as famous as King Arthur and Herakles, and much more popular than any of the other servants we've seen.
Fame pulls you up to your parameters in life, and might mess with your skills/appearance. Your posited overcharging phenomenon isn't attested. I draw your attention also to the fact that Gilgamesh still has great stats despite Nasu specifically noting him as obscure.
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Fifthly, Ali is the greatest warrior of all time. Thats what his legend says about him. The middle east wasn't shit tier back then, it was greater than the west, he should therefore be at least as powerful as the greatest western heroes of a simliar timeframe or else the middle east would've had its ass kicked.
Approximately every legend everywhere says that its subject is the greatest X of all time. What's more, there was no serious contact between the 'West' at the time and Ali's army when he was a warrior. This was still the Middle East kicking itself around before the massive conquests of later centuries. And while 'greater than the West' is a pretty subjective measure, I'm going to at least contend that there's no good reason to make the two far different.
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Sixthly, you yourself have put up a feat that would give him at least B rank strength. Its not particular common for servants to be great at one physical parameter, yet be average at the rest. They generally seem to be similar in all their physical stats.
And I said he should have B-rank strength. Read my bloody posts. That's not massive and extraordinary, the 'average Servant' is about on that level.
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Nasu seems to judge his stats more by comparison. Herakles is the strongest therefore A+, not Herakles has the strength of 100men and therefore would have A+.
And your actual evidence for this comment would be?