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    Gläubig müssen die nicht sein, daran glauben müssen sie I3uster's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    You're forgetting the part where he was kind of a Dead Apostle when he did that. And sort of but not quite true incarnations of souls are really complicated man.
    And you are forgetting that the incarnations are imperfect (remember what the lines are? Imperfections) and that being a DA does not help with the MEoDP as stated by Arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1984 View Post
    Whilst I understand what you're trying to get at here, I can't help but point out that a Saturn V rocket would do a terrible job of powering a smart car. It'd be too bulky, you'd have no control over it (so you couldn't accelerate/decelerate) and you would very rapidly crash.
    Hey, at least you'd be known as the guy who was loaded enough to strap a Saturn V rocket on his Smart Car. Postmortem.

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    You'd also be known as the guy who was stupid enough to strap a Saturn V rocket to their car....

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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    And you are forgetting that the incarnations are imperfect (remember what the lines are? Imperfections) and that being a DA does not help with the MEoDP as stated by Arc.
    They're imperfect copies of the one perfect thing in the Nasuverse. The scale is slightly different.
    Araya, what do you seek?
    「アラヤ、何を求める」
    ------True wisdom.
    「――――真の叡智を」
    Araya, where do you seek it?
    「アラヤ、何処に求める」
    Only within myself.
    「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
    Araya, what is your favorite color?
    「アラヤ、好きな色は?」
    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
    「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ!」

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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    They're imperfect copies of the one perfect thing in the Nasuverse. The scale is slightly different.
    They're crappy copies of the one NOT QUITE perfect thing in the Nasuverse.
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    Have we ever seen a fully incarnated soul or a bonafied use of the Third that wasn't a temporary patch up job?
    Araya, what do you seek?
    「アラヤ、何を求める」
    ------True wisdom.
    「――――真の叡智を」
    Araya, where do you seek it?
    「アラヤ、何処に求める」
    Only within myself.
    「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
    Araya, what is your favorite color?
    「アラヤ、好きな色は?」
    Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!
    「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ!」

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    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    And you are forgetting that the incarnations are imperfect (remember what the lines are? Imperfections) and that being a DA does not help with the MEoDP as stated by Arc.
    She said that being a DA won't change the fact that the strain of seeing death all the time will even eventually kill him.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Wait.

    I was talking about DAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    Wait.

    I was talking about DAs.
    Are you implying Arcueid and Crimson Moon Brunestud aren't perfect? They are stated to be several times.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    It's stated that they were made to be perfect.

    It's also stated that they're imperfect because lolbloodlust and loldemonlords.
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    Those are normal True Ancestors. Plus Period states the usual copies of Crimson Moon have several flaws. On the other hand Crimson Moon is stated to be perfect and so is Arcueid.

    From Crimson Moon (Ten Nights of Dream):

    However, the church is still denying her existance. That's natural. The church is conservative. It wouldn't be possible for them to admit the existance of a being that rivals the Crimson Moon in scale that easily.
    After you were born as the ultimate being, the ones born after you were all too imperfect. You were the only one that went right, and all the other shinso were just failures, weren't they?
    After the death of the Crimson Moon, the shinso, who the Crimson Moon had scorned upon, had succeeded in creating a perfect body. Something that the Crimson Moon was unable to produce. That is Arcueid Brunestud.
    Plus Period (Tsukihime Prologue):

    The princess's body, is the most supreme body. When it became like this, isn't it the same as the king of the moon returning?!
    And Nasu's statement in an interview from 2001:

    Nasu: Honestly, though, Arc is like a God. A spirit in flesh.

    OKSG: Is that something you can say of all the True Ancestors?

    Nasu: There are all types of True Ancestors, strong and weak. Arcueid can stand her ground with the first True Ancestor, so she's in a league of her own.
    So yeah, Arc is definitely perfect like Crimson Moon, you can't say she isn't. The bloodlust is part of being a True Ancestor, if they didn't have bloodlust they wouldn't be vampires and they wouldn't have most of their powers. That'll be like saying a human that's genetically perfect is imperfect because he is not immortal, when if he were immortal he wouldn't be human.

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    TAs go insane with bloodlust after a couple hundred years. Arcueid included.

    Thus, imperfect.

    And all of those quotes are just about her body and powerlevel. The world's best athlete isn't an example of a perfect human if he can't control his drool and randomly falls victim to fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes View Post
    The moment the opportunity arises for a pun, the one known as 'Taiga's Knight' will be there to deliver whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    TAs go insane with bloodlust after a couple hundred years. Arcueid included.
    That's stated to be "the natural lifespan for those without lifespan". Like I said, bloodlust is part of being a True Ancestor (since it got copied from the original) just like mortality is a part of being a human. It's not an illness or an imperfection. Your example doesn't work.

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    wow, any flaw isnt a flaw if you just dismiss it as part of nature huh?



    let me try!

    hey baby, I am sorry I cheated on you with that african trangendered midgit, that urge is just part of being human!


    Hey baby, I am sorry I broke into your house and raped you and your father, those urges are just part of being human!

    (heh, this is actually kind of fun)
    Quote Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes View Post
    The moment the opportunity arises for a pun, the one known as 'Taiga's Knight' will be there to deliver whether you like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    That's stated to be "the natural lifespan for those without lifespan". Like I said, bloodlust is part of being a True Ancestor (since it got copied from the original) just like mortality is a part of being a human. It's not an illness or an imperfection. Your example doesn't work.
    That's like saying cancer isn't an illness in humans. It's eventually bound to happen if they live long enough, but that doesn't mean it isn't an imperfection.
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    The question is: is bloodlust a feature or a bug?

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    Say what you want, but a True Ancestor's bloodlust is a direct result of vampirism, and that's a fact.

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    It might be a flaw in the TAs, since the world never intended for them to have it. But I don't know if you can say the same about the CM.

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