How does the 'gods/Divine Spirits cannot be summoned as Servants' thing work? Is it an 'aboslute rule' thing? Due to the Grail's inability to materialize them? Or simply a matter of logistics, ie inability of a Master to support one?
How does the 'gods/Divine Spirits cannot be summoned as Servants' thing work? Is it an 'aboslute rule' thing? Due to the Grail's inability to materialize them? Or simply a matter of logistics, ie inability of a Master to support one?
I think a bit of everything you said.Originally Posted by nununu
I tend to hear the, if you could summon one why bother with the Grail argument.
I think a bigger issue is that unlike heroes gods have a tendency of not dieing and just fade back into elementals.
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------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
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Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
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Not to mention that they apparently are on a different plane of existence. They might not even have a soul since they are elementals given form by human worship. And most importantly, most of them aren't even dead, they might have become regular elementals since people don't remember them anymore though.
I'm sure at least part of it is that the Holy Grail specifically interfaces with the throne of heroes. If there are no gods chillin' in the throne of heroes, no gods get summoned. Can't respond to the call if you never get it. Unless Hera is being bitchy and going through Herc's mail.
Well hold on a minute: wouldn't that mean, technically, gods that specifically die in myths (ie. Ragnarok, in this case), would be able to be summoned? Considering the fact that there are a good number of Germanic Neopaganists in the world today, the Nordic gods also would still be "alive" in belief and not elementals.
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Problem is, gods aren't human, they merely have a human form. They are natural phenomena at their core, and might not even have a soul (a human soul is even less likely).
I'm not sure if the Norse gods (compared to ones like the Greeks) really were more like "Gods" or just really tough heroes. It could arguably go either way, since even Odin is never shown as being exceptionally miraculous, just a strong leader.
After all, ancient heroes were sometimes worshiped just as much as gods in some places, especially Greece.
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Well, what about Heracles, then? After all, he was half-God, and he got deified after his death by his father.
He used to be human/mortal though, so maybe that was why?
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Well upon his death he was split into two parts, one that became the god of strength and one that went down into Tartarus and talked with Odysseus. So maybe that is why?
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
Aren't the Norse Gods mortal? Loki and Heimdall kill each other, Odin gets eaten by Fenris. Thor succumbs to the midgard serpent's poison. They're not very force of nature-ish like Arcueid, they fight and act like ordinary men with extraordinary abilities.
Eh, what?
Why would Heracles end up in Tartarus?
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I think that "why Heracles wasn't summoned when divine spirits can't be" was answered a while back, wasn't it? Because the grail summons heroes in their prime, and Heracles wasn't really in his prime when he became a deity because he kind of died to get to that point, and I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.
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I think it was just he had legends of being human and god. wasnt he one of the people in the OHMYGODITDOESNTMAKEANYFUCKINGSENSEHEROESATREMADEUP BYTHEGRAIL part?
...actually, I think drinks did that one. wonder if he was just screwing around like with the saber thing. probably that.
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