Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Lianru]

Well, Nasu wrote Notes before Tsukihime, so chances are he didn't think them into the story. They might not exist in the Notes world.

[food]

Black Keys can deal actual physical damage, they're super-effective against spirits, their concept makes them super-effective against DAs as well, they can immobilize a target if a Key hits their shadow, good Executors can make new Black Keys from Bible pages instead of hilts...

They seem to have pretty varied abilities for such low-tier Conceptual Weapons. Is that everything, or did I miss something(not counting the spells Ciel sticks on hers)?

The Black Keys are conceptual weapons carrying the property of "purification", in other words, "Baptism Rite in a blade". It works on whatever Baptism Rite works on.

The "shadow pinning", "immolation", "sky burial" and other modifications Ciel applied onto the Black Keys are all remnants of Roa's knowledge and highly blasphemous.

They are not as versatile as you think. They are crappy, cumbersome weapons that few in the Church favours. The reason Ciel seems to crush opponents with Black Keys is that, she is strong physically, she loves projectile weapons, and she does not fear to use magic (unlike the other members of the Church).

[Elyrin]

Oh, I thought the shadow-pinning was an inherent ability, not one of Ciel's enchantments.

Alright, thanks, food.

[food]

Also physical damage of Black Keys are probably pretty bad, because their unwieldy nature.

Ciel was able to nuke Arc from one side of the park to the other with Keys, because she was taught a taijutsu by the Burial Agency called "Armour Effect".

Without the Burial Agency's secret throwing technique, regular key-toss is probably very, very lame.


Basically, Keys are lame, Ciel is awesome. Ciel makes Keys look good, just like an expert martial artist can make a butter knife seem o-so-deadly.

[Tobias]

Armour effect? Don't know if I have heard that before.

[food]

鉄甲作用（技能）
　シエルが黒鍵に付加する作用。ヒットした対象を吹き飛ばす。魔術作用ではなく埋葬機関に伝わる投擲技法。 アルクェイド・ブリュンスタッドにいたっては公園の端から端までゴロゴロと吹き飛んだ。

Now you just did.

It is a secret taijutsu of the Burial Agency, applied by Ciel to her Key-toss.

[Mcjon01]

Ciel was able to nuke Arc from one side of the park to the other with Keys, because she was taught a taijutsu by the Burial Agency called "Armour Effect".

Without the Burial Agency's secret throwing technique, regular key-toss is probably very, very lame.

Wait, is that what that is? I remember reading on Fuyuki a long time ago that Black Keys can penetrate concrete walls due to the Iron Plate Effect, but there wasn't any elaboration so it was kind of confusing. I think I ended up thinking it was some weird physical law Nasu had made up.

So it's a throwing technique, eh?

[Elyrin]

Kotomine will fight with Black Keys, and I don't really see him doing terrible with them...

Then again, it's Kotomine, so that's probably why he doesn't suck.

[food]

Wait, is that what that is? I remember reading on Fuyuki a long time ago that Black Keys can penetrate concrete walls due to the Iron Plate Effect, but there wasn't any elaboration so it was kind of confusing. I think I ended up thinking it was some weird physical law Nasu had made up.

So it's a throwing technique, eh?

Yup. Iron Plate Effect, Armour Effect, same thing.

It is a taijutsu, which Arc misinterpreted as some sort of Reinforcement.

It is a testament of the discipline of the Burial Agency, and Ciel's physical prowess.

Kotomine will fight with Black Keys, and I don't really see him doing terrible with them...

Then again, it's Kotomine, so that's probably why he doesn't suck with them.

Kotomine was defending most of the time, and his key-toss hit not because it was fast, it was because he tanked Delusional Heartbeat and used the gap to slow-toss.

[HitokiriNanaya]

In all of the Nasuverse how many people actually have their origin's "unlocked"

[SeiKeo]

In all of the Nasuverse how many people actually have their origin's "unlocked"

Araya, and Lio are the only ones who have fully awakened origins, I believe.

[food]

In all of the Nasuverse how many people actually have their origin's "unlocked"

A lot?

It is implied the "gaining memories of past lives" of high monks and spiritualists are really "awakening their Origin".

EDIT:

Touko explained that to awake one's Origin, one must become aware of it. Self-awareness of one's Origin is paramount.

Even with "Origin awakening sorcery", one cannot awaken his Origin without some degree of self-awareness.

You can do it yourself and awaken your Origin all the way, if you try really really hard.

[Five_X]

What would that even do?

[food]

What would that even do?

Your Origin drives you. Even if you are not aware of your Origin, it still "leaks out" and cause your life to gravitate towards a certain direction as dictated by your Origin. Like if your Origin is "to stay at home", you become really fond of staying at home.

Once your Origin is awakened, the impulse of the Origin is fully unleashed, the personality you established over your short life becomes completely overwhelmed by the impulse of your Origin (which is accumulated over many, many life times).

Use the "to stay at home" Origin as an example, once you awaken the Origin of "to stay at home", you literally cannot leave your house.

[nununu]

fucking hikikomori Origin

must suck

[food]

It's not too bad.

You know, if you think about it, Azaka would be one hell of a scourge if her Origin is awakened.

She would run around doing drugs, raping, killing, torturing, punting babies and breaking every law there is.

You wonder why Araya didn't pick her over all the other weak-sauce candidates.

[Mcjon01]

That would probably suck for Shirou and his nonsensical origin, though.

[food]

What about Rin and her Imaginary Element Origin?

[Altima of the Gates]

Wait, when was it said that was her origin again?

[Mcjon01]

CM2 tags her as the overseer of Fuyuki with an origin that's one of the imaginary elements, I think.