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    ORT got woken up by a DAA some time ago and it didn't kill humanity. ORT would just kill whatever bothered it and go back to sleep.

    BTW anyone knows when the new chapter of the Melty Blood x F/GO manga comes out?
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constructman View Post
    What is the point of all the singularities in F/GO? It seems really convoluted now that I think about it. Is there anything about the non-altered timeline pre-F/GO that would stop Solomon from firing his laser? It just seems that it would be simpler to just use one of the Holy Grail's he got from wherever to wake up ORT, sit back and watch the mess, then clean up what's left. Why all the time travelling?

    ... How is Solomon time travelling anyway? Did he beat up Zelretch for the Second? Is he leyshifting? Or is he exiting and rendering time via the Throne?
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    Mordred
    Oi, what's with this ridiculous magical energy? Even dragons don't put off this much. It's just like...

    Shakespeare
    This creature stands side by side with God! Perhaps it's even God Himself!

    ???
    Oh? A fellow disembodied voice, is it?

    ???
    Since Chaldea was disconnected from the axis of time, it has become a place that can't be found.

    ???
    Even my eyes, which foresee all futures, have difficulty perceiving it.

    ???
    Therefore, it survives. Uncouthly. Miserably. Futilely.

    ???
    I am the one you seek. The one who subjugated the 72 demon gods, who would destroy mankind from his throne.

    ???
    My name is Solomon. Know me, one of the seven standing at the summit of the Heroic Spirits.

    Mordred
    Don't tell me, you were summoned as a Heroic Spirit and got a second lease on life to wipe out the human race?

    Solomon
    Quite the contrary, Londinium Knight. While I'm certainly a Heroic Spirit, no human summoned me.

    Mordred
    What?

    Solomon
    Don't place me on the same level as you incompetent fools. After I died, I resurrected myself and sublimed into a Heroic Spirit by my own power.

    Dr. Roman
    H-He resurrected himself...!?

    Solomon
    I am a living Heroic Spirit. Consequently, I have no Master lording over me.

    Solomon
    I began this undertaking by my own will.

    Solomon
    All for the sake of eradicating you humans -- garbage perpetuating a foolish history, the single greatest waste of space in the universe.

    Solomon
    Of course I can. I have the the means, the will, and most importantly, the results.

    Solomon
    Your era is already gone. Destroyed by my 72 pillars that surpass time.

    Dr. Roman
    Surpassing time... then, those demon gods are really the demon gods from the Lemegeton...?


    Solomon
    How pitiful. You sit at the forefront of history, yet your interpretations are so antiquated.

    Solomon
    The 72 demon gods were incarnated and reborn, anchoring them to every era.

    Solomon
    They are lynchpins to stop the planet's rotation. The band of light whirling through the heavens is my Noble Phantasm.

    Mashu
    Band of light whirling through the heavens... then, the ring of light we've seen in every era is...

    Solomon
    Precisely. It is my third Noble Phantasm, Ars Almadel Salomonis.

    Solomon
    Each ray within it carries heat on par with a holy sword. That Servant you lot were playing with earlier...

    Solomon
    In terms of scale, it is hundreds of millions of times greater than King Arthur's holy sword. Quite simply, it is an anti-Humanity Noble Phantasm.

    Mordred
    H-Hundreds of millions of times greater than father's sword... so, you'll burn all of history to ash!?

    Solomon
    Well. There's no point telling someone who won't live to see it.

    Solomon
    I've answered your questions. Now it's my turn, survivors of Chaldea.

    Dr. Roman
    Don't forget, the Heroic Spirit inside you was chosen by the Holy Grail! It won't lose to Solomon when it comes to rank!

    Solomon
    Ha! Heroic Spirit rank? You truly believe you can measure up to me?

    [Battle: vs Emissary's Four Pillars]

    Solomon
    Do you see now? This is what happens when mere Heroic Spirits stand on the same stage as me.

    *Kintoki, Shakespeare, and Tamamo vanish*

    Mashu
    ...Doctor, start the rayshift. At this rate we'll all be killed...!

    Dr. Roman
    It's impossible...! There's no way to anchor the rayshift through his force field!

    Dr. Roman
    As long as Solomon is there, I can't bring you back!

    Mashu
    Then... at the very least, Senpai...

    Mordred
    You sure like to hear yourself talk!

    Mordred
    But, you're definitely not bluffing, either... more than rank as a Heroic Spirit, your output itself is on a whole other level.

    Mordred
    What the hell are you!?

    Solomon
    It's just as you've said. It's not a difference in our rank as heroic spirits, but the rank of our classes.

    Solomon
    Now, burn together with that trash.

    Solomon
    Kingslayer Mordred. I'll be sure to take special care with you.

    *Solomon attacks, but Mordred is still standing*

    Andersen
    ...Are you kidding me? This is what happens just from blocking once? I guess as a Caster I really can't oppose you.

    Mordred
    Whelp...!? What are you...

    Andersen
    It's just a whim, don't worry about it. I owed you for all the work you did for me anyway.

    Solomon
    ...You were still alive, writer?

    Solomon
    I thought I wiped you out along with all the other small-fry. You did well surviving with such meager power.

    Andersen
    Hmph. I hate manual labor. I was simply observing until now.

    Andersen
    But. I figured it out, Solomon. Your true colors. The unbelievable truth.

    Solomon
    Oh? Speak, improviser. If I like what I hear, I'll grant you an easy death.

    Andersen
    Then listen well, Philistine. This was written in the Clock Tower records.

    Andersen
    Heroic Spirit summoning is the summoning of the counter force -- that which ensures the continuation of the human species.

    Andersen
    They materialize in seven vessels, to defeat a single adversary.

    Andersen
    And what is that adversary, you ask? Could it be more obvious? It's a great disaster that threatens our world!

    Andersen
    An incarnation of the end that will not destroy the planet, but humanity, and the civilization that we've built!

    Andersen
    A devourer of civilizations, born from civilization -- it is none other than an apotheosis of our own creation.

    Andersen
    And. The ones summoned to defeat it are those who stand at the pinnacle of all Heroic Spirits.

    Solomon
    Indeed. The seven Heroic Spirits are heavenly emissaries sent to destroy a certain evil.

    Solomon
    The seven greatest knights of that era, who protect humanity's foundations. The first seven who stand at the pinnacle of Heroic Spirits.

    Solomon
    Originally, the evocation ritual "Heroic Spirit Summoning" was meant to save the human world.

    Solomon
    It was your summoning system, the Holy Grail War, that degraded it into something that could be used at the convenience of humans.

    Mordred
    Hey, who're you calling degraded...!?

    Andersen
    Calm down, Mordred. It's not a matter of rank. It's about the vessel, the authority.

    Andersen
    He's simply a Heroic Spirit that manifested in a superior container.

    Andersen
    If we're weapons to oppose individuals, then he's a weapon to oppose the world.

    Andersen
    One who stands above all other Heroic Spirits of the same type. In other words, a Servant with a Grand vessel.

    Solomon
    Yes. You've finally arrived at the truth!

    Solomon
    I am king among kings, Caster among Casters!

    Solomon
    Thus, you may hail me as Grand Caster, the King of Magic Solomon!

    Dr. Roman
    Grand Class...!? Are you saying you're a Heroic Spirit chosen by the Root!?

    Solomon
    You think I'm here over four measly Grails? Don't make me laugh. I've finally destroyed everything.

    Solomon
    One Grail, six Grails, it makes no difference. It will be a long time before this "Gudao" becomes a threat.

    I've scratched the full conversation and left parts with relevance towards you question. Source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constructman View Post
    What is the point of all the singularities in F/GO? It seems really convoluted now that I think about it. Is there anything about the non-altered timeline pre-F/GO that would stop Solomon from firing his laser? It just seems that it would be simpler to just use one of the Holy Grail's he got from wherever to wake up ORT, sit back and watch the mess, then clean up what's left. Why all the time travelling?
    ORT can only kill the present humans.

    Solomon incinerated all of human history and everything they created, including gods and etc.

    Nothing stops him from firing his laser because he already did, the game begins with humanity incinerated.
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    Ragnarok, come day of wrath
    That fallen souls might bear our plea.
    To hasten the Divine's return.
    O piteous Wanderer.

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    Mordred's lightning effects for her basic attacks in Grand Order are just non-canon animations, right? Skimming over translated battle scenes again I don't see any mention of it, except for when Clarent is unleashed.

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    Force lightning is a smaller version of her NP, like Artoria's slash of light.
    Ragnarok, come day of wrath
    That fallen souls might bear our plea.
    To hasten the Divine's return.
    O piteous Wanderer.

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    Ah okay, yeah, I just reread the Jack scene and found it. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    ORT can only kill the present humans.

    Solomon incinerated all of human history and everything they created, including gods and etc.

    Nothing stops him from firing his laser because he already did, the game begins with humanity incinerated.
    eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    I don't know how to interpret this, did I misremember something?
    Ragnarok, come day of wrath
    That fallen souls might bear our plea.
    To hasten the Divine's return.
    O piteous Wanderer.

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    I don't think we concretely know why every singularity exists where/when they do. The Chaldea cast just gives it their best guess. e.g. exponential growth of human population and technology doesn't happen without the Industrial Revolution.

    Either way Solomon blew everything up. Maybe the singularities and the Goetian demons are redundancies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    I don't know how to interpret this, did I misremember something?
    oh no, bosel had a thread on his blog from jbbs with this exact same discussion two days.
    And someone said exactly the same thing you did.
    so EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

    http://bosel.blog64.fc2.com/blog-entry-5137.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constructman View Post
    What is the point of all the singularities in F/GO? It seems really convoluted now that I think about it. Is there anything about the non-altered timeline pre-F/GO that would stop Solomon from firing his laser? It just seems that it would be simpler to just use one of the Holy Grail's he got from wherever to wake up ORT, sit back and watch the mess, then clean up what's left. Why all the time travelling?
    僕はね、名無しさんなんだ 2016/03/18(金) 14:44:41 ID:wDz28Gj60
    ソロモンさんは何がしたいのかよくわからんね
    人類滅ぼすならもっと手っ取り早い方法ありそうなもんだが
    fakeで言ってた大蜘蛛を目覚めさせるとかさ
    so uncanny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    I don't know how to interpret this, did I misremember something?
    But if you want me to nitpick, the game only starts with the Fuyuki Singularity and the world going to end soon.
    It's only after you clear the Fuyuki Singularity that all hell breaks loose and everything is incinerated.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    What ranks do you think Gordius Wheel, The Golden Hind, and No Face May King should be?

    I'm especially ???? for No Face May King because it's Robin, but it is fairy-level shapeshifting.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    What ranks do you think Gordius Wheel, The Golden Hind, and No Face May King should be?

    I'm especially ???? for No Face May King because it's Robin, but it is fairy-level shapeshifting.
    The first two look like A's to me, but what do I know?
    No idea about No Face May king, though, I barely know about it.
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    marie antoinette is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the nasuverse

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    Scientifically, it is impossible to throw a rock at someone, say something in German, and have it explode.
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    Don't step on the Saber, wild squirrels.
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    I've learned from a certain Jedi master that when you got the high ground, you automatically win.
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    See, I'd say that the absolutely worst thing about "Prisma Illya" is exactly the sexualisation of children.
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    Open your mind. There are many paths in front of you
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    "I was under the influence of having a gun to shoot somebody."


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    What ranks do you think Gordius Wheel, The Golden Hind, and No Face May King should be?

    I'm especially ???? for No Face May King because it's Robin, but it is fairy-level shapeshifting.
    EX, EX, and EX (after upgrade interludes)

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    What's "No Face May King"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    What's "No Face May King"?
    It's what stopped Robin from showing up in my rolls for so damn long.
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    canon finish apo vol 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    What's "No Face May King"?

    thats when someone's mom gets mad about her kid making a a funny face.

    no face may king, mister!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    What's "No Face May King"?
    It's Robin's "hidden" NP

    And my guess would be C rank, if it ever gets a rank that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    What's "No Face May King"?
    It's from Extra CCC (I think, I have very little info about it). IIRC, it's some cloak that let's Robin turn invisible/into other people a la For Someone's Glory.
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    marie antoinette is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with the nasuverse

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    Don't step on the Saber, wild squirrels.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    I've learned from a certain Jedi master that when you got the high ground, you automatically win.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    See, I'd say that the absolutely worst thing about "Prisma Illya" is exactly the sexualisation of children.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Open your mind. There are many paths in front of you
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    What ranks do you think Gordius Wheel, The Golden Hind, and No Face May King should be?

    I'm especially ???? for No Face May King because it's Robin, but it is fairy-level shapeshifting.
    Golden Hind should be A, Gordius Wheels A++ cause redbull op

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Gordius Wheels A++ cause redbull op
    no, it gives you wings.

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