Wrong, Merlin isn't japaneseOriginally Posted by AvengerEmiya
Wrong, Merlin isn't japanese
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
is there any japanese commander whos as defense specialist as leonidas?
The only explanation is that Gil messed up his gacha rolls. He got spooked by traitor oni while rolling for yandere mama and ran out of quartz so he had to make do with FP gacha.
Has anyone mention that according to nasu archer couldn't even slow saber down in CQC even with the full support of the invoked UBW yet? Honest question I couldn't be bothered to read the whole argument.
Nasu said that it's questionable if Archer could hold her back in CQC but that if he actually fought as an archer that the difference would come down to their masters.
That's not quite it either.
here, I'll translate from nasu.
even if archer used the UBW, if he was somewhere where saber could get her hands on him, his chances of victory is pretty much zero.
now archer knows that, so he would try and fight her at extreme range. The additional problem is saber could wipe him out with Excalibur even at range, so he would try to fight her in a situation where she couldn't close and couldn't blast him. If you assume the battle takes place in such a situation, where she couldn't close and couldn't easily use Excalibur, archer's chance of victory would be aboooooooooout 50%. Ish. Close enough that master's strategy would be the potential tie breaking factor.
Where are you getting the idea that EMIYA can't fight for long when we have servants that can fight for hours? Or that there is no chance in however long an EMIYA/Cu fights goes on, for an opportunity for EMIYA to strike back to present itself? Or that a single hit with instagib him instead of EMIYA wanting to avoid the cursed spear that prevents healing? Do you have anything supporting your claims other than EMIYA must suck because if he doesn't suck then he's a mary sue?
The plain fact is that your idea of EMIYA is not what the VN presents. What the VN shows is a mysterious servant that despite being specialized in long range can somehow skillfully fight in close combat with legendary warriors even when they use their greatest attacks. A servant whose close combat abilities are praised by the likes of King Arthur and Hercules. A servant that can't possible be real because if he was then his name and abilities would certainly be known.
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That's quite the translation. No wonder the name of Tobias the translator is renowned across the web.
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Here's the actual translation.
Notice that there's nothing about stopping Excalibur from being used, in fact the main point is that archer's sniping and saber's sword are close enough that their masters could decide the outcome.Nasu-san CHECK! The class of the representatives of close-range and long-range combat. Saber, who would take her sword in any condition whatsoever and Archer who would fight using a strategy of victory. The highlight won't just be the different battle styles, but the difference between their personalities. However, even with UBW, it's questionable whether he could hold Saber back in single combat. One definite hit from sniping and one absolute blast of death from her Holy Sword. It might really depend on the wit of their Masters not their own in determining who has the upper hand.
Guess what Gilgamesh has a ton of?
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
From the fact that he cant really win, has to actually create weak spot opening for Cu to attack just to handle his attacks, with the fact that 1 hit was said to be enough to seal the deal, and that kind of tightrope walking is not a longterm kind of thing. It was already said in VN that he has to choose between being slowly cut up or instant death against Cu on melee. He cant even counter, he was too busy staying alive by creating opening that has to be dodged.
The plain fact is that your idea of Emiya is way wankier than how he is presented.
I never said i want him to suck. But wanking up his toyz is demeaning his actual strong point, his strategy.
Last edited by castor212; August 21st, 2017 at 03:02 PM.
Its the part about a strategy for victory.
an excaliblast charges quicker and would wipe out a broken phantasm mid flight. But, as said, if you give archer credit for having prepared the battlefield with every edge, and give him a little luck, then yeah, it's a coinflip
Yeah but Gil doesn't usually fire off active nps which is why even servants without PFA can deflect at least some of them, someone like Cu that is specialized in doing that to the point that even active nps can be deflected should do reasonably well until Gil gets bored and uses enkidu.
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You really need to get rid of this EMIYA suxs mentality because you're starting to contradict yourself in the same sentence. 'One hit will seal the deal' vs 'slowly getting cut up' don't exactly fit together.
Stop sucking his dick at every available opportunity first.
Literally what Archer himself said.
And you need to get rid of your Archer wank mentality bevause it makes you equates Shirou vs Salter withCu vs Archer, on a completely different terrain, role, and condition.... he can choose between instant death and getting slowly cut up, he prefers to risk instant death
Last edited by castor212; August 21st, 2017 at 03:11 PM.
You gotta change your avatar if you want people to lose their desire to suck Archer's dick.
Very doubtful to be called toptier in melee if Cu can disarm him 27 times without much effort
Sorry I miss read your quote to say that any hit from Cu will instakill EMIYA instead of EMIYA's fake openings tactic. In which how does that disprove EMIYA's skills when even when one hit would kill him, Cu still can't break through his defense?
i'm currently looking for a pic with Lancer sucking his dick
pls help me
That's a funny way to put EMIYA steadily advancing and Cu being the one to put distance between them after being forced back a little every time he thinks he disarmed EMIYA.
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It's kinda funny to look back and see how much Cu is pissed off that EMIYA never actually fights him as an archer, how can Cu be happy when he's basically fighting someone with one hand tied behind their back.
It doesnt.
It simply isnt as OPas you make it to be.
It doesnt sounds top tier of all you can do to avoid being slowly beaten down to death is making it a do or die tightrope situation.
Like, considering the parameter difference, just staying alive does prove that he is damn good at melee. I never said otherwise.
But I honestly believe that calling it toptier melee is an overstatement.
What is toptier sword skills to you then? I already proved that he out does Karna's rankup feat twofold. Does he need to be Sasaki level? Because I can admit that he's not quite there yet.
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