this is all exclusive extra emiya thoOriginally Posted by Iceblade44
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thats not projecting divine construct thats projecting a sword similar to divine construct
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like how i dont have apple so i compensate with pear but pear isnt apple
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Its not exclusive to extra. Shirou was able to project Avalon with support from saber. And it's not the same. They don't pull swords from their reality marble they create them from scratch, and to create a sword similar to Excalibur he would need to know how It was made.
it IS exclusive to Extra because only in Extra was UBW capacity boosted
we dont know for sure if Avalon is divine construct or not thoShirou was able to project Avalon with support from saber.
and even if it is the reason its possible for projectyion is because it was merged with Shirou for so long
yeah so its not excalibur projection, its a projection of a sword with performance similar to excalibur but not excaliburAnd it's not the same. They don't pull swords from their reality marble they create them from scratch, and to create a sword similar to Excalibur he would need to know how It was made.
also shirou style projection has always been recreating them by ubw and pulling it out of the reality marble
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also we dont even know for sure if true ether is THE material for divine construct
i doubt the raw material is the only thing that made divine construct unreplicable too
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Actually when activates his reality marble he doesn't need to project because all the weapons are already there, but when it's not he creates them from scratch using projection.
the projection still happened due to and inside ubw tho
the RM is still the one that project it even without its expanded state, because the RM is the basis of his projection magic
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Who translated Character Material, specifically the Mordred entry? Kind of bugs me that the wikia has the translated entry from it but doesn't source where it was posted.
Yeah the RM is projecting but it doesn't simply create the sword. It's forging the sword using the history of the sword stored in the UBW. There is a whole process happening. That's why he calls himself a blacksmith. He's doing the smithing quickly but he is still doing it.
ok so uh
whats even your point here
im confused
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that was a long long long long long time ago
so whoever did wikia stuff back then
i heard a legendary baiken tried to do a one man crusade to save the wikia so maybe him?
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If I know higashide and sleepovers I bet it was actually excalibur because the grail knew it was going to die so it granted a wish to Shirou which was projecting Excalibur
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
We got way off topic but I just wanted to know if he could reproduce true ether.
what if its 7 step instead of 8 steps projection and thus similar but not excalibur
boom
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no incidation says he can or cant for sure
so wait until EMiya actually shows as Emiya in GO story and do a lore revelation i suppose
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nah after reading the end of apo i'm squarely on the "it was excalibur and the grail did it" team
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even if he can reproduce balmung, the NP is going to be degraded because of projection
So it'd be like degraded true ether and if its degraded is it even the normal thing?
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Yeah I guess that's all I can do. Still it's nice to talk about fate with people. None of my friends watched it.
I don't think Emiya can project true ether. I mean Paracelsus can do it but he's a master alchemist and even then it's just artificial and he needs his quantum computer of a sword to do so plus his elementals. If Emiya could project Balmung I bet the beam would be at most just normal mana that they have in the Age of Man, but since I can't confirm that you don't need to believe me.
And anyway if Emiya can project true ether, i doubt he could produce the same amount that's in that gem, highly doubt it.
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paracelsus doesnt do true ether
he do false true ether
such a faker
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I know, that's why I said artificial.
And yes he's a faker.
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His projections aren't really projecting materials anyway. He's projecting the image. Part of the reason he can do something like Caliburn or Caladbolg down to their wacky not-sword-but-video-game-abilities is that they're images in his head.
"Listen. Things made of magical energy will not last long, and they're just shapes.
…Well, I guess the projection magic takes these things with only shape and make the ability close to the original's as well."
"-----Hm."
Certainly, magical energy has no shape.
I can feel it when it's in my body, but it fades and disappears once it goes outside.
So no matter how well I make a blueprint in my head and construct something out of magical energy, it is only natural for it to fade away since it's made out of magical energy.
…Come to think of it.
When I first did something like projection when Kiritsugu first started to teach me, he told me to do strengthening instead because projection was inefficient.
...
I understand that.
But then, what was that?
The golden sword that I imagined in my head and reproduced seemed to have its original powers…
"…Hmm. Then I guess it was only by chance that I could project Saber's sword.
…Come to think of it, that sword held ridiculous amounts of magical energy. It's certainly strange to imitate magical energy that's a hundred times what I have, huh?"
tl;dr: he imitates magical energy he doesn't have, its not really about materials.
Localizationing stuff
I see that makes sense. That means he technically could project balmung. Is this from the VN?
Thx, I forgot the exact mechanics that went behind the projection.
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