Let them release Lucius as a Servant, him brushing past Gawain was probably a specific ability of his so we just have to wait on that.Originally Posted by 8000
Let them release Lucius as a Servant, him brushing past Gawain was probably a specific ability of his so we just have to wait on that.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Yes, but I'd still say Achilles' inherent position as fastest hero only applies to those considered heroes. Like Quetzalcoatl who's unbeatable to anyone good because she's the pinnacle of goodness, but still vulnerable to people with evil alignment because she has no position over them.
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I want Lucius as a Servant. Actually now I want all the people Arthur mentioned fighting as Servants, especially Lucius and Vortigern. They sound interesting. Wish we'd seen them in Camelot.
I didn't see any indication it was meant to be a specific ability. Certainly nothing he didn't use against Arthur. Unless Servant Gawain is significantly more powerful than living Gawain (which may or may not be the case I don't think we could say), that would propel Arthur and Lucius to incredibly top tier among Servants.
They're all heroes. It's sorta inherent in the system. The whole anti-hero thing is just a way to point out that even those that aren't traditionally considered heroes are heroes by their very natures having benefited humanity. That's all. Anti-heroes are just shorthand for "is a hero, even tho monster/demon/evil/whatever."
And as for Achilles' speed feats, its like in half of his depictions in the Iliad. They regularly harp on and nickname him for being the swiftest dude there.
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Is there any sort of symbolism behind the appearance of the Alter-Ego class card? Why two jesters, instead of something like generic maidens in the same positions?
If it said he were the fastest Heroic Spirit or Servant I would agree. As it is it seems to specific, at least in the context of Dantes having a quantified speed that's superior. Also I don't think every Servant ever has benefitted humanity from their existence.
I don't think myths are an accurate source for how powerful Servants are based on what I've heard about myth Karna.
Although thinking about it, Dantes' speed comes from his NP so Achilles could still be considered faster overall (his is an NP too, but Edmond's is a one-shot anti-army blast while Achilles' is continuous and he has higher agility outside those).
When they say "super high speed thinking" are they referring to human or eirei standards
When Chiron was using near precog to react to Achilles did that mean his thinking was fast or his reactions
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It says the "high speed thinking" is beyond what humans can do, so Servant standards.
Using precog to react would be reactions unless the precog involved high speed brain processing (which some kinds do).
if they both appeared in the same story i bet dantes would be faster just so achilles would go "n-nani" and then get annoyed/riled up
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Heroic Spirit, Servant, and hero are often used regularly as interchangably.
Only when they're not.
You really can't rely on that as part of the argument, honestly.
Every Heroic Spirit has. That's what makes them Heroic Spirits. And anti-heroes are Heroic Spirits. It's like the Counter Guardian thing.Also I don't think every Servant ever has benefitted humanity from their existence.
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beyond human =/= Servant
For instance, what magi can do to strengthen their bodies is beyond human, but that doesn't make them Servant level.
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[pedanticism]But Magi are human, so whatever they do is clearly not beyond the level of a human. [/pedanticism]
His compassion for the woman he called Mercedes was the one prison he couldn't escape from.
can he turn a dragster
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But they aren't actually interchangeable.
Heroic Spirit is just a blanket term for everything summoned from the Throne. I've seen the translation called into question. Anti-heroes are Eiyuu, doesn't mean they fall under "hero" when being compared to Achilles. Especially since he never laid eyes on an anti-hero while alive as far as I know.
Anyway this seems rather pointless when you consider Dantes is only that fast with his NP and we don't know if the temporary speed boost it provides would be factored in when considering who the fastest is.
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That's fair, but I think Servant level would be the implication considering he's, you know, a Servant.
Turning drag would entail he put on make up and dressing FABULOUSLY, right?
Oh no. He's forgotten CP, the senility's gone too far. It's time for the staff to bring him behind the 7th.
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