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[Arashi_Leonhart]

But they aren't actually interchangeable.

There are occasions in FSN where they say "Servant" but mean "Heroic Spirit." It's like how when, in narrative descriptions, you might call Rin a witch, even though she is not a Witch. Just like how sometimes they call Saber a Heroic Spirit, when we know, actually, she isn't one.

Heroic Spirit is just a blanket term for everything summoned from the Throne. I've seen the translation called into question. Anti-heroes are Eiyuu, doesn't mean they fall under "hero" when being compared to Achilles. Especially since he never laid eyes on an anti-hero while alive as far as I know.

What does laying eyes on an anti-hero even have to do with this?

The actual Noble Phantasm is a conceptual representation. With it, he may in fact actually be faster than he was in life. Or even slower. But the idea is that he's going to be bumped to beyond any other.

Probably similar to how Gil, despite not actually necessarily owning the origin of all heroic legends in life, is obliged to have the origin of all heroic legends.

That's fair, but I think Servant level would be the implication considering he's, you know, a Servant.

Cu Chulainn can, say, arrange flowers beyond the level of a regular human. Does that make his flower arrangements Servant level? How do you even define Servant level from not-Servant level? That's sort of the point Canon is making. "Servant level" is ill-defined and may be completely pointless when narrowing down things that really have no metric and things really unrelated to actual human limitations.

[castor212]

Anti-heroes are Eiyuu, doesn't mean they fall under "hero" when being compared to Achilles.

actually that does mean that
because anti heroes are eiyuu
and achilles description said "among all eiyuus"

[Lily Emilio]

Like 超高速行動に耐えうる超人的な心身 is such a meaningless and unquantifiable descriptor, can he survive reentry from orbit?

Remind me of moving FTL in cyberworld stuffs. You can accelerate your speed to surpass the speed of light and go back in time with it but you fuck up your saint graph. I'm sure Dantes won't survive that either.

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Heroic Spirit is just a blanket term for everything summoned from the Throne. I've seen the translation called into question. Anti-heroes are Eiyuu, doesn't mean they fall under "hero" when being compared to Achilles. Especially since he never laid eyes on an anti-hero while alive as far as I know.

Heroic spirit and hero are interchangeable at times, but the context is different when it matters. In Extra Nasu wrote 9 tails Tamamo can easily beat 100 eiyuu but in CCC SG3 he wrote 100 eirei. This happens with divine spirits and the gods as well. Only recently they added the "body of god" and "kamigami" to make identifications, but still use shinrei at times.

[Iceblade44]

Does Arthur still have the factor of the Red Dragon to accelerate Excalibur? The reason I ask because I remember he still has the dragon trait in GO but his Mana Rank is vastly smaller than Artoria, and knowing that it's thanks to Artoria's dragon blood and mana reserve that allows her to make Excalibur super beamu so I was wondering if arthurs functions differently?

[onepieceuc1]

Do you know who did the Fate Extella Link's Key Visual? Is this Wada Arco?

[venomking]

actually why is saber!arthuria have c rank mana? or did i just not read the stats for her, i don't have GO right now because my tablet got destroyed by one of my students so please do tell if thats right.

[Iceblade44]

actually why is saber!arthuria have c rank mana? or did i just not read the stats for her, i don't have GO right now because my tablet got destroyed by one of my students so please do tell if thats right.

Artoria has A, it is Arthur that has C.

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No scratch that he has B with Gudao, so I guess that really isn't that much of a downgrade. Looks like I was just looking at what he had with Ayaka in those mats.

[castor212]

Why do we call seirei elemental again?

[Rafflesiac]

Why do we call seirei elemental again?

[8000]

I know there are instances of Servants being weaker than when they were alive, like Siegfried with his slower recharge time and (presumably) Caster Cu because that’s not a combat oriented class, but are there any instances of Knight class Servants straight up being physically inferior to when they were alive? As in not as issue of finite mana or weakened NPs, but less durable, strong, fast, etc.

Also is there any way to know when natural strength stops and fame boost starts?

[LJ3]

Gilles

[SpoonyViking]

I know there are instances of Servants being weaker than when they were alive, like Siegfried with his slower recharge time and (presumably) Caster Cu because that’s not a combat oriented class, [...]

Nah, Cú Chulainn still retains his fighting skills.

I think the Servant who's been the most affected by fame boost is Vlad. I guess you could compare both of his Lancer versions?

[Iceblade44]

I know there are instances of Servants being weaker than when they were alive, like Siegfried with his slower recharge time and (presumably) Caster Cu because that’s not a combat oriented class, but are there any instances of Knight class Servants straight up being physically inferior to when they were alive? As in not as issue of finite mana or weakened NPs, but less durable, strong, fast, etc.

Also is there any way to know when natural strength stops and fame boost starts?

I would say someone like Pent but she still has ME to compensate so don't know.

[You]

Also is there any way to know when natural strength stops and fame boost starts?

Well "fame" bonuses would be the difference of the strength of the Servant and the strength of the living hero, then taking into account the class container.
Practically impossible because we don't even know how much the container gives.

[8000]

So the question is unanswerable...pretty much what I thought.

Unrelated question, but why is everyone so sure Vasavi Shakti>Excalibur?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Because EX > A++

[Iceblade44]

Except when EX is A++ ... looking at extra.

[8000]

Yeah what’s the deal with that?

[asterism42]

Even if it's not the right answer, I'mma blame Jinako's crappiness.

[Iceblade44]

Yeah what’s the deal with that?

Wider range, that's probably related somehow.