Thats not my point. My point was that Karna's A++ VS will be noticeably weaker when his Master is Jinako than say, his Master was someone like LeoOriginally Posted by You
Thats not my point. My point was that Karna's A++ VS will be noticeably weaker when his Master is Jinako than say, his Master was someone like Leo
JP wiki said due to not fully release it is A++ and ingame damage is low but I never saw a line ingame saying that so most likely just fanon.
GO is "after" Extella since GO is "constantly" new
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I need to dig up the japanese SS, but i deff remember that phantasm circuit boost firepower for already anti army Nps
i remember that too
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
IIRC it's just the damage, my point is that it doesn't explain the change in visual and most likely not related to that considering the whole lighning stuffs are already in his normal attacks.
yeah that's generally true
fair enough
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
B-b-b-but karna is released to gacha before extella
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Oh wait, his SQ is after Extella
Ok im good
Remember that changing NPs into Anti-Army isn't the circuit's only effect. When the NP i already Anti-Army it will give it a power boost, so yeah I agree it's like Indra's lightning for the exact same reason you think, because VS got a boost.
As for my thinking of Artoria parrying VS with Excalibur, it didn't completely come from when Gawain went against it, but much earlier when he used a sword skill to parry Brahmastra. That's how I got my line of thinking of Artoria doing something similar with a slash of Excalibur..
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Wow snipe for a while, damn I type slowly.
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Moon Cell Brahmastra is a skill, not an NP
I already covered this in my reply above. It's just a damage boost. Therefore it STILL doesn't explain why fire explosion became lightning bullet. My stand is that since Moon Cell summoned him, he got Moon Cell boost which allows the usage of lightning stuffs. Phantasm Circuits should have nothing to do with him spamming lightning stuffs with his spear everywhere outside NP animation.
Parrying Brahmastra is definitely not the same as parrying VS. Those 2 attacks are on completely different scales. Heck we don't even know the rank of Karna's Brahmastra lol. You already saw how far Leo and Gawain had to do to parry VS literally moments later.As for my thinking of Artoria parrying VS with Excalibur, it didn't completely come from when Gawain went against it, but much earlier when he used a sword skill to parry Brahmastra. That's how I got my line of thinking of Artoria doing something similar with a slash of Excalibur..
Well, I mean, they can change stuff if its wrong in a game like this
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I know that, same with the skill Gawain used to deflect it, I just took that example and tried to put it on a more bigger scale or at least that was my line of thinking.
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It's definitely on different scales, that I certainly agree on. But I'm not putting it up against the sword skill gawain did, but a slash of Excalibur which I thought would be roughly on the same playing field.
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You need to define your "slash of Excalibur". What exactly do you mean by that? True name release is a beam of light and it will be beam struggle like I said. There's no way Artoria can chop VS beam in half with a swing of Excalibur unless she has Avalon buff.
True Name release, also I doubt that she would be able to chop VS in half even in the best circumstances. I was saying slash because that's just what it is after all, a slash of light tho yeah I can get confusing. To me I would think Artoria would be able to pull off that diverting tactic, tho your probably right that a front on front confrotation would be better, if I would really want to recreate that scene with VS being paired by a Noble Phantasm I guess Lancelot's Arondight would probably work better.
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How does the mechanics of blocking, parrying or destroying a noble phantasm work, cause berserker is able to block and parry noble phantasm with a wooden sword that isn't even enhanced by Mage craft, which I guess wooden sword> then projected noble phantasms when it comes to blocking and parrying, and lancer in fate/zero broke his noble phantasm with I think it was his knee?
Bersekers sword isn't made from wood, but stone from his very own temple. There's probably alot of mystery in that than it would appear at first glance.
Also it makes sense Lancer could break his NP, it's his. Servants normally have perfect control over their NPs.
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Ok. Thx.
So with it shown that Bedivere had his soul burn out through the years by the off chance that Artoria survived Camelan would she also have been burned out due to too much time spent alive?
Or is it implied she had something to mitigate that?
Bedivere is a normal human. Artoria is part dragon.
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