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    Are the Servants inside the Moon Cell from the throne of heroes or are they fakes created using data?

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    If by fakes you mean copies like Servants in any other setting, then yes.
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Then, can they be considered AI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onepieceuc1 View Post
    Are the Servants inside the Moon Cell from the throne of heroes or are they fakes created using data?
    The souls comes from the throne, their bodies are made from data.
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Oh I see, thanks, also there is something I don't really understand, what's a spiritual core inside a Servant, and how are they damaged?

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    Imagine having a heart
    Now imagine someone stabbing your heart

    Thats roughly the idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Even then, Cursed Arm's Master was still Medea, which is why he forced her to use Rule Breaker on herself by threatening to kill Kuzuki if she didn't.
    Is there a source for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Movie's not source material though.

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    The movie has that, and the HF manga has (if I'm remembering right), Zouken cursed Kuzuki and tricked Medea into Rule Breakering him in an attempt to break that curse, which wound up killing him.

    And then in the interview we have Nasu saying Zouken tricked Medea into Rule Breaker killing Kuzuki on accident. That seems more consistent with the manga but the movie's more recent.

    Pick the one you like more.

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    "This official material is not official material, especially when it clarifies something that was left vague or unanswered before"

    Yeah, okay
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    The anime has contradicted the VN a lot so it would have to be thrown out, but if Nasu said the same thing in an interview that would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    The anime has contradicted the VN a lot
    what are you talking about
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    Currently (like, actually) finishing Apocrypha 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    The anime has contradicted the VN a lot so it would have to be thrown out, but if Nasu said the same thing in an interview that would be fine.
    Name one contradiction
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    Then I will ask that you pay closer attention
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    I haven't watched HF but in the UBW anime:

    • Shirou fought Gilgamesh at range just as much as up close.
    • He ran out of energy before he could beat him instead of Saber breaking them out of the reality marble.
    • Kojiro's sword never bent.
    • Archer and Shirou fought in the reality marble and Archer did not use Durundal.
    • Gae Bolg had a much closer struggle with Rho Aias whereas in the VN it didn't even slow down before piercing the first six petals.

    And that's ignoring changes which don't make contradictions in the mechanics like Archer using random swords against Caster instead of NP projections. And I haven't read the Zero LNs but it sounds like there were some differences in Kirei vs Kiritsugu.

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    UBW anime also contradicts HA. Bazett talks about fighting Caster with Lancer at the temple a few times, though UBW clearly shows that's impossible

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    Also Apo and Deen Stay Night are equally official as far as I know so yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    [Anime's] not source material though.
    Ah I see. So Medea's original Master was some fat guy, Atram doesn't exist, and everything else he appears in is some sort of mass hallucination we're all having.
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly
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    I think Alex IV can eat Goku.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Ah I see. So Medea's original Master was some fat guy, Atram doesn't exist, and everything else he appears in is some sort of mass hallucination we're all having.
    Grand Order is ​a mass hallucination.
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    That time they checked out that hot guy they were just admiring his watch, yeah?


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