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What sword thing?Originally Posted by Tobias
Except the VN made it pretty clear that UBW > GoB in that situation since being able to ready any counter against what Gil can do effectively shuts Gil down. Also, Gil doesn't have crappy melee skills.
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Weird since Gilgamesh acknowledges him as the winner of their fight. The only odd thing there was making Shirou collapse so early, as he should do so after Gilgamesh gets Angra-ed, but that's explained by wanting to make the visual impact of that scene better than "end UBW RM -> Gilgamesh getting Angra-ed".And after that he ran out of energy and lost.
Two guys standing next to and smacking each other with swords isn't very interesting to watch. But, hey, keep complaining about a difference that doesn't matter since the point of the scene isn't to show how they fight but why Shirou refuses to quit.This doesn't actually change what happened in universe.
In a manner of seconds, Rho Aias, what should be Archer's greatest defense against projectile weapons, is nearly destroyed.It was slowed down by every single petal and had several seconds of clashing with each of them. I don't really get the impression that would be considering drilling through them like nothing.
As mentioned before, stock CG image limits, or do you want to open up the can of worms of HF Shirou using not!Excalibur to destroy the Greater Grail despite the CG being Excalibur?The ones he used in the VN were NP projections. I already said this doesn't contradict mechanics but does indicate a difference.
For Herk, this is not necessarily a problem since rereading the fight between Saber and Herk does show that Saber is apparently pressuring Herk. While I would have preferred there being some sort of mention of Herk being wounded by Invisible Air clad Excalibur, the lack of any mention of wounds by it cannot be used for or against the notion that Invisible Air-clad Excalibur can still wound him as depicted by the anime. That said, I still say that's a dumb defense given what is known about God Hand, but there's nothing explicit to counter it....you sort of just gave examples that support my point.
As for the first fight between Saber and Kojirou scene, while I hate how much Saber wank was done, this still doesn't contradict the scene that Saber had to do everything in her power to get out of range of Tsubame Gaeshi, preventing her from making it to Shirou to help him against Caster.
Prologue establishes that Archer can see several miles away. HA shows that Archer can shoot at someone from miles away with great accuracy in Dead Bridge (I, II) and Decisive Battle. While changing the setting of where Archer is shooting from is another dumb embellishment the anime did, it doesn't depict Archer being able to do something he wasn't already able to do.Because it exaggerates his sniping range and makes him more powerful?
Can't comment on Apo since I stopped watching it after a few episodes, but it sounds like the anime had to omit stuff from the LNs because time constraints.Also from what I've heard there are much more severe changes in Apo.
This makes no sense whatsoever.Honestly even if the anime doesn't contradict anything, it still has to be treated as different from the source material because it doesn't retcon anything, so it wouldn't be a source for extra lore unless Nasu says so.
This is such a non-argument argument.They do IMO, but insignificant changes are still changes. Anime would never be assumed to be canon to the VN in the first place.
I didn't watch the movie and Shirou's jacket would be blatant nitpicking.
Because the impression of the scene as a whole was that nothing was really going to hurt Herk until Archer fired a BP. Also, I think it's odd that Illya straight up loses interest in Saber compared to Archer if it looked like Saber could actually beat Herk without revealing Excalibur.
UBW anime dropped the ball by making small changes to scenes that didn't need to be changed (e.g. Taiga's hostage scene) or by going 100% by the VN when the VN's handling of that scene was complete crap (e.g. immediately after they beat Medea/Kuzuki).
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mini-Excalibur beam, Invisible Air-clad Excalibur wounding Herk, Herk literally return his own serves, take your pick.
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others are going to have to get used to the fact that saber actually was beating berserker in the graveyard.
(well they don’t have too, but they should)
What I have to get used to even if I don’t like it, is later in the story, when shirou protects saber from the sword rain, he doesn’t do so by projecting his own sword rain to counter, and apparently just was able to help by duel wielding the attacks away.
logically this puzzles and frustrates me since that means shirou was essentially using melee weapon tactics to protect frikken rin saber of all people.
but that’s just the way it is. It would be hypocritical for me to tell people they have to swallow a frustrating truth if I couldn’t do so as well.
Yeah I think we should just agree to disagree. The idea of even needing to argue the anime as non-canon by default is a bit foreign to me.
thats what people say when they know theyre wrong but dont want to admit it
or, you know, do the sensible thing and stop this argument from going further
No sometimes it’s just what people say when they are tired of hanging their head in a wall. Not really making a judgement on this particular argument, but speaking generally sometimes you just lose interest.
If you can hang your head in a wall you should fix your wall.
I dunno, sometimes you just want to find a good headrest
sounds suffocating
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Gil sucking in melee come up often,but is it really true? Shirou usually only gets a shit understanding of his own skills, and claims that since he and Gil both suck, he wins cuz he`s faster... but UBW gives shirou the original owner`s weapon skills whether Shirou knows it or not, so its more like Shirou+Original Owner skill = Gil weapon skill therefore he wins cuz he`s faster
Gil doesn't really suck in a melee, he's just less skilled in it compared to Saber and Lancer. Gil's melee fighting style revolves around pulling weapons from GoB, taking a swing and activate it's effects then switch it for another. You can see Gil taking this stance of fighting in both CCC and Extella.
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In the original VN as well, in the battle on the bridge.
Gil sucks in melee is a myth that need to seriously die
No. People seem to forget that he thoroughly trashed Saber in Fate (in before people complain that it was more the weapon's random effects than his skill, even though it's been established that just having a weapon in front of Saber doesn't mean much if the person isn't competent with said weapon). As for the rest of your comment, I'll just repost the part of UBW's Last Fight that matters.
Last Fight
Why does Gil spamming nps effects on Saber mean that he must be skilled? He used like 3 nps and was only able to steal a bit of magical energy. That's not really a sparkling example of swordmanship.
Because he wasn't spamming NP effects? He was literally grabbing weapons at random to fight back against Saber. That he can then capitalize on their passive effects to keep her off balance even while she's defending is enough to show his skill.
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Seriously, he's able to force her to the point where she can't properly counter with her sword, and effectively loses her hand. That's skill, no matter which way you cut it.
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