Zouken gathered Iri-pieces during Zero while Kariya was busy dying in the basement. He then used that to make a crest worm and put it in Sakura.
And something something love close to desire for life something something all it wanted was to be born something something angra loves humanity something something
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"All the World's Evil" wasn't in Sakura. Zouken turned the remains of the Lesser Grail from HF4 into a crest worm and J-J-Jammed it into Sakura to turn her into a channel for it's power.Originally Posted by onepieceuc1
It doesn't use her love to grow stronger, it takes advantage of her shaken up emotions and wounded psyche to lodge itself more firmly into her brain-meats.
What it want's to do is be born, so Mama Sakura is currently eating for two- just that one of them is ancient Zoroastrian Ultra-Satan, so she's eating Souls instead.
Archer's identity isn't a macguffin. It doesn't motivate the characters or drive the plot in and of itself. Archer's ideal, or rather the conflict between his ideal and shirou's is what drives that storyline, and so that's the macguffin.
This is in UBW, of course. In the other routes, neither Archer's identity or his conflicting ideals are a macguffin.
Well, it was, but, like, more like, Sakura was the faucet and it was slowly leaking out of her.
which boy sounds more terrible when I say it like that
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It wants to be born...
Now would you say that his identity is a plot twist, or no?
Not really.
Yeah, it doesnt say TA doesnt exist, only that a certain encounter doesnt exist and a certain man ended up not getting massive power and be counted by the Church as 1 of the 27
I think the DAA doesnt exist is on FSF atogaki?
Or was it a other blogppost
it's the grouping, iirc DAA is just a title given by Church.
No, i mean i forgot was it said on fsf afterword or some other blogpost
I was completely surprised by Archer's identity in UBW actually, probably because I started with the anime and without playing Fate route or having full explanations for the mechanics of the world, there was no reason to think servants could be summoned from the future. I did get spoiled to his name being Emiya prematurely, but I could only guess he was just Kiritsugu's ancestor.
Technically it is a plot twist, just not one hard to anticipate reading the VN (or so I say, but to be honest I might've missed it even if I'd started there). It's not a McGuffin though, if anything, you could argue the entire rest of UBW is a McGuffin to support Archer's story (which isn't true either, but you get my point).
I don't see how it's a plot twist though, since nothing major about the plot changes by knowing his identity. We do get some additional information about Shirou from it, but it's mostly emphasizing things that we already knew before or would have discovered if the route proceeded without knowing who Archer is.
That's why I was thinking of it as being a mcguffin since it's a thing in the story, but ultimately doesn't contribute much to the overall plot. As has already been pointed out, Archer is physically more of a mcguffin than his name because of Shirou's power up in UBW and Archer's arm in HF, but nothing really changes from knowing who Archer is.
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I think it's definitely a plot twist, it's not hard to figure out before but the novel clearly treated it as a mystery until he said Trace On.
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Though the plot twist is less about his identity and more about him actually betraying Rin that time now that I think about it.
Its a plot twist in that until it happens the story so far had been "fight and win in HGW" and his identity change and reveal of his goals changes it into "fight Archer/yourself" which is the definition of a plot twist--to change the perceived direction of a story.
It probably shouldn't be conflated with whether its a mystery or not.
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It kinda is a plot twist given it changed the narrative focus of UBW after it was revealed. Although that change was sort of confined to a bubble where everything went back on track after Archer died (not that the events in the bubble didn't affect the events outside).
A friend of mine who's started watching UBW saw his name on my GO support list and assumed he was Kiritsugu. Maybe he heard rumblings about Assassin Emiya and mixed them up, since Archer looks nothing like Kiritsugu.
Not sure I agree with you there. UBW's focus had already shifted to Shirou's ideals once he lost Saber to Medea but refused to quit because of that.
Thematically you know what the story is about then, but the plot is still a case of there's this war thats going on and this is related to it.
Once Archer hijacks things, you'll notice that it isn't about defeating anybody related to why the war is being waged, its "fuk u loser." And then never gets back to the war since Gil immediately afterwards reveals what's going on.
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In what sense is it painfully obvious the first time around in UBW? The bushy eyebrows?
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