Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[You]

the question of who gets to up their MR if they have a Master with sufficient magical energy is an interesting and endless debate

[Altaris]

IIRC Karna got A rank MR in Extella but C in all his other appearances as well

[asterism42]

I think Gilgamesh had a higher Magic Resistance with Tokiomi as his Master, too.

I think it's because, if Salter is any indication, mud bath is bad for your MR.

[SpoonyViking]

I think it's because, if Salter is any indication, mud bath is bad for your MR.

Hm, good point!

[LeadDemon]

I'm still bothered that GO Saber has the same stats as Extella Saber, but GO Gil doesn't have the same stats as Tokiomi!Gil or Extraverse Gil (whose parameters are the same) and has Kotomine!Gil's stuff instead, including the A+ Independent Action.

[You]

go stats are p bad sometimes
inb4 stats are bad
inb4 go is bad

[pinetree]

Do we know how exactly Saber lost Caliburn? I don't think it's been specified what exactly happened beyond "lost it forever" and "Morgan had to do with it" but maybe I'm forgetting something.

[You]

Do we know how exactly Saber lost Caliburn? I don't think it's been specified what exactly happened beyond "lost it forever" and "Morgan had to do with it" but maybe I'm forgetting something.

so caliburn was Saber's set of training wheels when she got good and broke the sword that signaled to Merlin it was time to give her Excalibur
The Morgan thing was with Avalon

My guess is when she was fighting Pellainore as in the myth she ended up becoming a true king, like shonen power up mid-battle. Like for instance Ichigo vs Ulquiorra is the only thing that comes to mind right now. That act of desperation or what not ended up breaking Caliburn and firing that Excaliblast level attack ending the fight.

[pinetree]

so caliburn was Saber's set of training wheels when she got good and broke the sword that signaled to Merlin it was time to give her Excalibur
The Morgan thing was with Avalon

My guess is when she was fighting Pellainore as in the myth she ended up becoming a true king, like shonen power up mid-battle. Like for instance Ichigo vs Ulquiorra is the only thing that comes to mind right now. That act of desperation or what not ended up breaking Caliburn and firing that Excaliblast level attack ending the fight.

Thank You, the possibility of the fight with Pellinore really be the reason is why I asked, good to know it's possible and that the Morgan thing was with Avalon.

[You]

pellinore's been mentioned twice as far as i know
once in camelot about being the special member of the knights of the round
and once in fragments when Arthur was commenting on how Hyde had the same nature as the Questing Beast

[fire_mountain_30]

i have never been able to fully understand what saint graphs are. would anyone care to help me?

[castor212]

i call it atomic structure, spiritual version

[Iceblade44]

i have never been able to fully understand what saint graphs are. would anyone care to help me?

Saint Graphs are the body of the Servant, it's container for it's soul. It's literally there forms. Like how humans have a body made of flesh and blood, Servants have one made of ether and magic energy, which Is called a Saint Graph. That's how I understand it anyhow.

[fumei]

i have never been able to fully understand what saint graphs are. would anyone care to help me?

As the others said, it's their body, or the container rather. If everything that makes up the servant (history, NPs, other soul-stuff) is the water, then the saint graph is the cup which holds it.
And just like a regular cup, these saint graphs can vary greatly depending on whose it is and if it's been modified or whatever, but its base function will always remain to be that of a cup.

(paraphrased explanation courtesy of You whose post I can't find atm)

[Laserman]

As the others said, it's their body, or the container rather. If everything that makes up the servant (history, NPs, other soul-stuff) is the water, then the saint graph is the cup which holds it.
And just like a regular cup, these saint graphs can vary greatly depending on whose it is and if it's been modified or whatever, but its base function will always remain to be that of a cup.

(paraphrased explanation courtesy of You whose post I can't find atm)

its more the container for a Servant rather than the body.
like if the lore of the Servant (records, NPs, whatever) is water, then the saint graph is like the cup.
depending on the Servant in question these can be big cups, small cups, two cups, ceramic cups, solo cups, etc

that's as apt as i can get

I didn't really understand it until I read this. Thanks You.

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My guess is when she was fighting Pellainore as in the myth she ended up becoming a true king, like shonen power up mid-battle. Like for instance Ichigo vs Ulquiorra is the only thing that comes to mind right now. That act of desperation or what not ended up breaking Caliburn and firing that Excaliblast level attack ending the fight.

She was in that bad of that of a spot?

[fire_mountain_30]

many thanks. i also believed that it was their body and its structure, but i kept feeling like i was missing something

[You]

That cup analogy isn't right or at least outdated now we know more.
Because your saint graph holds information like memories.

So first of all Saint Graph is a general term.
Pretty much everything has a Saint Graph, be it the spirit of a dead dog, to Elementals, to Servants, to Divine Spirits, to Beasts.
And what it is, is more what castor said like an atomic structure but with other stuff added in too, including memories.
Because when you analyze and save a Saint Graph so it can be summoned, the Servant you summon ends up retaining their memories.
So it might be better to say a Saint Graph or rather the scan of a Saint Graph is like a current incarnation, a save state in an emulator rather than a save file.
For example Iskander in Extella would have a mildly different Saint Graph than Iskander from Zero. But they would still both have a Isakander Saint Graph.

[SpoonyViking]

She was in that bad of that of a spot?

In the"original" stories, Arthur loses to Pellinore and has to be saved by Merlin.

[fire_mountain_30]

That cup analogy isn't right or at least outdated now we know more.
Because your saint graph holds information like memories.

So first of all Saint Graph is a general term.
Pretty much everything has a Saint Graph, be it the spirit of a dead dog, to Elementals, to Servants, to Divine Spirits, to Beasts.
And what it is, is more what castor said like an atomic structure but with other stuff added in too, including memories.
Because when you analyze and save a Saint Graph so it can be summoned, the Servant you summon ends up retaining their memories.
So it might be better to say a Saint Graph or rather the scan of a Saint Graph is like a current incarnation, a save state in an emulator rather than a save file.
For example Iskander in Extella would have a mildly different Saint Graph than Iskander from Zero. But they would still both have a Isakander Saint Graph.

wow

with all that information, i am having some difficulties separating the function of saint graphs from the function of souls, since those are also able to function as a save file (also, i dont kmow what a save state is and what are its differences from a save file, since i have never used an emulator)

[You]

wow

with all that information, i am having some difficulties separating the function of saint graphs from the function of souls, since those are also able to function as a save file (also, i dont kmow what a save state is and what are its differences from a save file, since i have never used an emulator)

the soul for a Heroic Spirit is like a book
when you summon a Servant you make a copy of a single or a few pages
Those pages and the paper that its written on are your Saint Graph.