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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    I forget the exact details of it, but Cleo can't use IP to let herself ride her snek.
    Hers is also rank A, so it might be an EX only thing

    or Romulus only thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    I didn't think Forvedge would be big enough to try to kill someone in it.
    huh

    Thanks You.
    the family itself tried to killed Caules and tried to get Fiore back. So there would be no option for Fiore other than to stay
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    the family itself tried to killed Caules and tried to get Fiore back. So there would be no option for Fiore other than to stay
    OH

    Wow, depressing. I like it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    the family itself tried to killed Caules and tried to get Fiore back. So there would be no option for Fiore other than to stay
    Sounds like the Forvedge family was extremely desperate. Is there any more info on what Fiore is doing after she left? Is she still part of the family even if she passed over being the heir to Caules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    tldr pain is an important 'stop doing that' signal
    I was thinking more of psychological pain. I suppose "suffering" would have been a better word choice on my part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    I mean, technically speaking, the demon king Goetia and the demon pillars also want just that, kinda.
    See, that falls under the sort of Monkey's Paw clause I was talking about.

    Basically, if the goal of demons is to take away humanity's suffering, that's not very demonic, is it? Unless we get into "pain is necessary for growth" or similar territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    See, that falls under the sort of Monkey's Paw clause I was talking about.

    Basically, if the goal of demons is to take away humanity's suffering, that's not very demonic, is it? Unless we get into "pain is necessary for growth" or similar territory.
    Well it's because:
    Quote Originally Posted by extra mats
    We talk about demons and humans transformed into demons, but really as far as we are concerned demons are no different than beings from a higher dimension that are also from a different planet with a different civilization. No matter where you go in this universe of awareness, they would never be recognized as “human”. The existence of a True Demon is close to that of the evil gods from a certain fictional mythology that was popular in the twentieth century.
    The last line is reference to the Outer Gods I think, who are alien beings outside of our universe as well.

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    It's really the same as faeries and a lot of other nonhuman creatures as well, just that they exist on a completely different paradigm and set of values.

    Angra's the same way. He has to acknowledge humanity to be able to be what he is in the first place.

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    "Want to take away pain" describes a function rather than a will, as demons take on form through ideas. Although taking away pain is more pertinent to Agonist Disorder, in general it can be said that whether the capacity in which the existence of a demon is desired is that of a cure or a scapegoat on which to blame one's own weakness, the nature of demons is such that their existence peels away the human mind and distorts the body until they incarnate.

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    Which is to say that it isn't wish fulfilment at a terrible cost but more like downloading metaphysical cancer.

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    its like how people took comfort in believing Jack the Ripper was a demon.
    But at the same time that's what allows for From Hell to manifest.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Hm, I see, I see!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    The last line is reference to the Outer Gods I think, who are alien beings outside of our universe as well.
    [pet peeve]But they weren't evil![/pet peeve]

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    How are Outer Gods not evil? I haven't read much Lovecraft but Nyarlatothep seems completely evil every time they mention him. So does Sothot... Sogoth... Uh... The guy who they pray to raise the dead.

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    it's the same way that faeries that kidnap little boys and do body mods on them aren't "evil"
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    I can see that with the Color out of the Sky or the Elder things from Mountains of Madness but Nyarla and his minions seem to actively enjoy human suffering, slavery, and such though.
    Last edited by pinetree; April 3rd, 2018 at 05:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    I can see that with the Color out of the Sky or the Elder things from Mountains of Madness but Nyarla and his minions seem to actively enjoy human suffering slavery, and such though.
    nyarl-ko has come into contact with some many humans unlike the other gods that it is now knows evil or something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    Sounds like the Forvedge family was extremely desperate. Is there any more info on what Fiore is doing after she left? Is she still part of the family even if she passed over being the heir to Caules?
    she ran away
    probably like kariya did
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    nyarl-ko has come into contact with some many humans unlike the other gods that it is now knows evil or something like that
    That makes sense.

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    Just something i was wondering. I know that originally TM was a RPG group with Nasu as GM until Takeuchi convinced him to write stuff. I was just wondering, does anyone know what Tabletop RPG did they play? My gut wants to say DnD but I forget. Im just curious because I want to figure out the context that went behind the Servants statistics and the odd mention in the NPs of SN. While I do remember Nasu had a costume mechanics im just curious if he had worked up from something.
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    Just something i was wondering. I know that originally TM was a RPG group with Nasu as GM until Takeuchi convinced him to write stuff. I was just wondering, does anyone know what Tabletop RPG did they play? My gut wants to say DnD but I forget. Im just curious because I want to figure out the context that went behind the Servants statistics and the odd mention in the NPs of SN. While I do remember Nasu had a costume mechanics im just curious if he had worked up from something.
    Yeah they played DnD does not say which version
    But eventually Nasu, age 20, made his homebrew "Iron Emblem" which was inspired by the Lord of the Rings and The Five Star Stories
    This is stuff is from the "Trails of Typemoon" book
    which is pretty interesting up to the point it starts talking about the works themselves, then it's pretty shallow
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    deffo ghosts and goblins or whatever rpg it was that halloween 2 ripped off besides dragon quest
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Yeah they played DnD does not say which version
    But eventually Nasu, age 20, made his homebrew "Iron Emblem" which was inspired by the Lord of the Rings and The Five Star Stories
    This is stuff is from the "Trails of Typemoon" book
    which is pretty interesting up to the point it starts talking about the works themselves, then it's pretty shallow
    About the only version of DnD that made it over to Japan was like the 1st edition or Basic Edition or something.

    Regarding Servants, beyond Rule Breaker, what other means are there for a Servant to forcibly break their contract with their Master?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    About the only version of DnD that made it over to Japan was like the 1st edition or Basic Edition or something.
    Nah.

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