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    Even an angry person would be confused if they think someone they want to smash is one place rather than another, or they're seeing things that aren't there, or are put back in a place where their beloved creator calls them a monster.

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    Makes sense. Now that I think about it, Lancelot seeing Artoria is a mental interference of sorts to.

    That make Berserk a much better skill than I initially thought how it is.
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    I dont get it
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    It probably depends on the nature of the mental interference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Makes sense. Now that I think about it, Lancelot seeing Artoria is a mental interference of sorts to.

    That make Berserk a much better skill than I initially thought how it is.
    That doesn't exactly match up. Mental Pollution gives Mental interference resistance but Gilles suffer what Lancelot has for Jeanne.
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    mental pollution gives a probability to shut out mental interference magic

    not necessarily outer factor mental interference

    plus gilles' reaction probably counts as mental pollution itself jackingup

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    anw i suppose in bravery mental interference literally got the "no u" treatment, while without it it still affect ME owners, albeit in may be different ways than normally
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post

    But how would a mental interference affect a Berserker to begin with? Say, a confusion spell. In what way it would affect Herc's action?
    Depends on the rank of the ME and the mental interference in question
    Like Shakespeare getting Frankenstein up messed up Fran
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    Do mental attacks just bypass Magic Resistance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Do mental attacks just bypass Magic Resistance?
    Depends on the mental attack because not all mental attacks are magecraft
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    Hmm
    What about on peeps described to got MEed into machinelike

    Like LuBu
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Hmm
    What about on peeps described to got MEed into machinelike

    Like LuBu
    sure
    but there's always going to be an exception
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    Depends on the mental attack because not all mental attacks are magecraft
    Is First Folio magecraft?
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    > Einzbern

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    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    sure
    but there's always going to be an exception
    I suppose peeps like LuBu mostly only be losing the extra melee damage then

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    Is First Folio magecraft?
    Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    Is First Folio magecraft?
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    Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR

    It hits Jeanne who has EX Magic Resistance
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    yeah

    maybe not even EX is an exception for magic that has reached NP level
    maybe

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    actually now that i take a second look the only thing assuredly to be a "magic" is King's Men
    First Folio probably is more concept turned NP but not magic
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR
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    It hits Jeanne who has EX Magic Resistance
    Yeah, that's why I asked in the first place. Ruler has Magic Resistance EX, so I was wondering how First Folio affected her.
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    yeah

    maybe not even EX is an exception for magic that has reached NP level
    maybe

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    actually now that i take a second look the only thing assuredly to be a "magic" is King's Men
    First Folio probably is more concept turned NP but not magic
    Like I looked in to this before asking, and it never occurred to me that First Folio just might not be magecraft at all lol. Thanks.
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    > Einzbern

    > Making smart decisions


    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    Are you saying that EMIYA is less SWORDS than Shirou?
    Emiya isn't trying to heal his wounds by swording his body.

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    Why doesn't EMIYA just use the memories of a weapon from Gil's vault? By accessing that history he should be able to enter the vault like the weapon and steal everything. Really makes u think
    Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.
    I'm guessing Sesto was joking.

    Anyway, as much as I can appreciate some good Archer wankery (wink wink nudge nudge), this whole discussion is kind of pointless. If doing what Shirou did with Nine Lives Blade Works was something which Archer could do easily or regularly, he'd have used it at some point in the novel, and yet he doesn't, not even when it seemingly would help his plans (such as, for instance, defeating Cú Chulainn instead of just barely surviving the thrown version of Gáe Bolg). The one time he could have done so without the reader being aware is when he fights Herakles in the Fate route - a fight which he entered knowing he was going to die.

    Plus, it's possible the degraded techniques just aren't that useful. Nine Lives Blade Works only worked because Herakles himself was more dead than alive thanks to the Grail corruption, and even then, he basically threw out the fight because of Illya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.
    So.... flying forward like a Projectile?

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    Why are people acting like I'm saying anything that isn't obvious? Shirou reaches servant capabilities by not thinking too hard, why should EMIYA suddenly be incapable of doing the same thing with a much smaller ratio.
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    tbf thinking about stuff too hard is pretty core to EMIYA's skillset.

    Mayhaps Shirou was just too dumb to know that he couldn't do that before.

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