Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Tobias]

This conversation is hard to read enough as it is without it drifting into personal attack territory. Watch it.

[Lily Emilio]

And whose that left arm belong to again? A servant.

[Trubo]

I can't believe I have to prove that swords don't moving on their own.

That statement doesn't contradict anything previously linked that shows the weapons that Shirou projects do act based on their inherited memory and whatnot from Shirou's projection steps.

From that very scene, seeing as you didn't feel like copying the full text.

I stare at it.
I see through his giant sword.
I open my left hand and grasp the imaginary handle of the weapon that has yet to exist.
An extraordinary weight.
Emiya Shirou cannot handle this giant sword.
Butmy left arm [ARCHER'S ARM] will definitely reproduce the strength of my enemy.



"Here I come"

There's no need to worry.
will reinforce the broken parts.
I will give my undivided attention to killing him for certain.

To cope with his inability to use the weapon he projected, Shirou had to rely on strengthening to empower himself. Even then, the act of projecting such a weapon is killing him.

This is why Emiya doesn't just project Herk's axe sword and try to melee everything to death, instead preferring to modify weaker NPs to be bombs and attack from range.

[castor212]

But the swords do move on its own in other scene.
Hmmm.
Maybe in this scene, producing the strength of Herc means the strength of the swings, not necessarily pure raw arm strength.

How do i say this
Like, copying this technique, however imperfectly, still requires Herc strength. But the technique itself is definitely not Shirou's, but a projected technique.

I mean, at the very least didnt you already agree that in projection, Shirous whole ability to act is really only following what the sword does?

Nah, it basically puts Shirou's ability to act entirely on the sword and the moment he tries to do something himself then he loses it.

The sword definitely doesnt magically moves on its own, but i figure projecting a technique, be it imperfect nine lives or simple parries, is not just on the sword but on the arm that holds the sword as well, as well as the arm strenght.

At any rate, we do have scenes that shows the sword moves while dragging Shirou's hand. And the more complicated techniques are definitely not Shirou's.

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Actually i should just drop out and go to sleep because im convinced enough already that projecting Achilles running form with the spear is quite unlikely.

[Trubo]

I'm not saying Caliburn will magically function like a Dancing Sword. It needs someone to hold it to do anything. However, once held, it will act as it remembers being used, so better hope your arms don't get ripped off in the process.

[mAc Chaos]

I always thought of it as the sword sort of taking over his body and moving it on his own.

[Asunder]

This conversation is hard to read enough as it is without it drifting into personal attack territory. Watch it.

I'll take a break, 'this has gone from can EMIYA do something that Shirou does on his first try?' to 'Is there anything Shirou can do?'.

[Trubo]

I always thought of it as the sword sort of taking over his body and moving it on his own.

Pretty much. Using more D&D references, it's like Dawnbringer from Out of the Abyss.

Out of the Abyss Amendments

[If an evil creature attempts to attune to the weapon, it not only finds it impossible, but Dawnbringer attempts to take control of its wielder (DC14 Charisma saving throw). If the weapon is successful, it insists on being taken to the surface or willingly given to the first creature it comes across that is not a member of a race indigenous to the Underdark. Dawnbringer will not allow its relinquishment to a creature that it or its wielder knows is evil, and instead compels its wielder to find a new recipient]

[Criarino]

what are Avenger class skills again? And what means "oblivion correction"?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

But the swords do move on its own in other scene.
Hmmm.
Maybe in this scene, producing the strength of Herc means the strength of the swings, not necessarily pure raw arm strength.

This is always what I took it as. You're replicating the sword's will and history. So that history includes the force by which it was swung, the way it was swung, and the emotions that poured into it as it was swung. Which is what Shirou replicates. He's replicating the image, and that image is of a sword that swings like this. And K&B are his best default weapons since they don't have any images beyond "blacksmith made them to be peak smithing."

He's not literally making himself stronger, he's imagining and copying what is strong. You know.

aaaaand then his arm breaks

[asterism42]

what are Avenger class skills again? And what means "oblivion correction"?

Avenger = YOUR HATE ONLY MAKES ME STRONGER

Oblivion Correction = NEVER FORGET, NEVER FORGIVE

Self-Replenishment = MY HATRED SUSTAINS ME

[mAc Chaos]

So it's Sasuke?

[Rafflesiac]

[Arashi_Leonhart]

So it's Sasuke?

Sasuke is an avenger

its too bad they didn't just keep using Sugiyama as Avenger's seiyuu

[Laserman]

I've been trying to figure out the name of that song for so long.

[Criarino]

Thanks

[8000]

Something weird I noticed today, Emiya was talking about how he was a distorted spirit while beating Cursed Arm. He and Medusa both had an easier time with Cursed Arm than Saber and Lancer, so does Cursed Arm have some disadvantage against distorted spirits that I missed?

[forumghost]

They had an easier time because anti-heroes like them get a degree of passive resistance against the shadow, and that is what did all the heavy lifting.

[8000]

The shadow wasn't there when he fought Rider, but the bit about being a distorted spirit wasn't mentioned there either.

[Trubo]

The shadow wasn't there when he fought Rider, but the bit about being a distorted spirit wasn't mentioned there either.

Rider at that time had Sakura as her Master, not Shinji.