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[Arashi_Leonhart]

Well, Avalon kind of did that in Fate route (I don't know if Saber herself could resist it, but Shirou did and he wasn't even half the magus he became in the other two routes). I know the mud works differently against servants, but a defensive NP can ward it off.

Saber cannot resist it. We know this for a fact.

Avalon worked for Saber because you can't curse something that isn't there.

Gilgamesh resisted it because of rule of cool. He had independent action of A-rank because that was the way to translate his "No one can order the king" attitude.

IA is just IA, which you get in general for being an Archer. He doesn't have it as a Caster, for instance. IA doesn't really have an affect on whether someone can curse you, it's whether you can operate independently without support.

The mud is not the main body of Angra, so he could take it like a champ thru sheer ego. He was corrupted anyway, though.

I don't know what you mean by "main body," especially since Angra literally doesn't have a main body, but that is not the reason he could champ through ego.

Nor was he corrupted.

His mind is nowhere near what it was in Zero. He is utterly crazy in FSN.

Yeah, hanging around modern humans for ten years does that to a person.

He is not immune to it, but can resist a lot if the order is not to his pleasing (actually trying to use a command spell at all would already lessen its effectiveness due to him not liking being ordered by lowlifes. Although a clear order might be too much for him to resist.

[citation needed]

[SpoonyViking]

There is that. We never saw enough of her plan. Maybe she was going for "Suicide, Archer" after Berserker was dealt with. I dunno.
There would be Lancer, Assassin, Saber and Gilgamesh still left. Gilgamesh is needed because she is not going to kill herself to make the grail.

You only need all seven Servants dead if you want to punch a hole to the Root; if all you want is a "mere" wish-granting device, you can make do with less. Medea fudged a lot of details, but she was being entirely truthful that she could summon the Grail without needing every other Servant to die.

[fire_mountain_30]

Not unless you're memeing hardcore.

please elaborate on this statement

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Not unless you're memeing hardcore.

please elaborate on this statement

[fumei]

please elaborate on this statement

I'd assume his point is that descriptions of speed feats are so wildly varying, from a human easily being able to keep up to constant light-speed movement, that unless you were trying to put numbers and an "absolute answer" onto a versus case it becomes more of just an arbitrary description to blindly trust in.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Honestly unless specific numbers are given you can probably assume hyperbole

And then if specific numbers are given you can also probably assume hyperbole

And then that hyperbole will be jokingly referenced in a Q&A

And then that joke will be turned into fact in two years

/the TM flowchart

[You]

13km Galatine

[Lily Emilio]

It's ok to give Achilles lightspeed, cuz Gil's spaceship is FTL.

[fire_mountain_30]

It's ok to give Achilles lightspeed, cuz Gil's spaceship is FTL.

i wonder how many people agree with this

[Riku Noctis]

i wonder how many people agree with this

We know Dartz doesn't.

[8000]

Different writers seem to have different views on the speed of Servants (they're way faster in Fragments and Strange Fake than FSN and Zero), but they certainly aren't light speed either way.

[Canon]

Achilles' speed is the maximum distance he can see divided by the amount of time it takes him to thrust his spear

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[SpoonyViking]

Achilles can't be that fast, he loses to a tortoise.

[castor212]

Im missing that reference

[Canon]

Just wait for them to release Servant Zeno

[Megas]

Just wait for them to release Servant Zeno

....wait, can Zeno die?

[Asunder]

....wait, can Zeno die?

Zeno of Zeno's paradox, were you thinking of dragon ball super?

[Megas]

Zeno of Zeno's paradox, were you thinking of dragon ball super?

Yup.

[Mcjon01]

....wait, can Zeno die?

Not by firing squad at least

[RoydGolden]

Even if you managed to execute him, he would probably at least manage to bite off some of your fingers. Dude was hardcore. (At least if you believe Laertius)

[Deathhappens]

Even if you managed to execute him, dude would probably at least manage to bite off some of your fingers. Dude was hardcore. (At least if you believe Laertius)

Are we still talking about Zenon the Citiaean or are we conflating random Zenons from whenever?