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    Also wouldn't surprise me if Zeus was tied conceptually to life, what with all the life-giving allusions given to him indirectly by Tesla and Fran, his whole thing about going around creating heirs, and even other thunder gods or lightning-related beings tied to parentage--Kintoki's parentage, Raikou being so parental, Indra fathering Arjuna and supporting Karna, Odin being allfather...

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    I like to think Proto-Mars was just too much of a Barbarian so Sefar anti-civilization bonus did not apply.

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    Also didn't you yourself say prototypes =/= what we know?

    What proto Zeus can do doesn't correlate to what Zeus can do. It goes two ways.
    No, but generally speaking the prototypes tend to be superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Also wouldn't surprise me if Zeus was tied conceptually to life, what with all the life-giving allusions given to him indirectly by Tesla and Fran, his whole thing about going around creating heirs, and even other thunder gods or lightning-related beings tied to parentage--Kintoki's parentage, Raikou being so parental, Indra fathering Arjuna and supporting Karna, Odin being allfather...
    like Dragonball Kaoishins?

    makes his appearance and function in Persona Q pretty fitting

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    is it really so weird that Ivan would be arguably superior to Zeus?

    gods get their power and mystery from humans, right?

    the mammoth and possibly the tigers existed before humans did, so they would have more mystery

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    gods get their power and mystery from humans, right?
    No, that's the divine spirits. The ancient gods are the Prime Ones before humans took that role. They shaped the world, they were the world and the law of the gods were the law of the world back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ3 View Post
    like Dragonball Kaoishins?

    makes his appearance and function in Persona Q pretty fitting
    Wasn't Zeus invite the cast to his place at the Yggrasil?

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    He was the God of Life to Chronos God of Death in the game wasn't he?
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    Yes

    and how he could create life and govern that Etrian Odyssey like planet

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    is it really so weird that Ivan would be arguably superior to Zeus?

    gods get their power and mystery from humans, right?

    the mammoth and possibly the tigers existed before humans did, so they would have more mystery
    Because there's a limit to what one famous Tsar is to a guy that started a revolution in the Heavens, used a mountain as a slam dunk, and did the Greek version of the world flood. Not to mention masterminding the Trojan war to get rid of an overabundance of demigods.
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    Reminder that real myth =/= nasuverse myth. Almost every gods suffered from severe nerf, even Amaterasu. It's better to throw everything you knew out of the window so that you can be at peace. Even now I still can't believe my Buddha is a fox girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    No, that's the divine spirits. The ancient gods are the Prime Ones before humans took that role. They shaped the world, they were the world and the law of the gods were the law of the world back then.

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    Wasn't Zeus invite the cast to his place at the Yggrasil?

    i assumed that when i said "gods" you would get that i was talking about divine spirits. if i wanted to talk about the Prime Ones, i would have used that term

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    Because there's a limit to what one famous Tsar is to a guy that started a revolution in the Heavens, used a mountain as a slam dunk, and did the Greek version of the world flood. Not to mention masterminding the Trojan war to get rid of an overabundance of demigods.
    that wasnt what i meant. the mammoth is older than humanity, so he would carry a huge ammount of mystery inherently and Ivan would get all that mystery because he fused with it. i am talking about mystery born from age, not fame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Reminder that real myth =/= nasuverse myth. Almost every gods suffered from severe nerf, even Amaterasu. It's better to throw everything you knew out of the window so that you can be at peace. Even now I still can't believe my Buddha is a fox girl.
    Still kinda messed up about how some pantheons are way too underplayed..

    Also a question because i know almost nothing about buddhism, shouldn't Herk have some obscure syncretism power (since this appears so often) for being the model in some representations of Nio/Vajrapani or something?
    sorry if i said something wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Reminder that real myth =/= nasuverse myth. Almost every gods suffered from severe nerf, even Amaterasu. It's better to throw everything you knew out of the window so that you can be at peace. Even now I still can't believe my Buddha is a fox girl.
    In some ways yes, no to others. While the myths change it's not that it's nerfed than they are just changed to fit the rules of magic that Nasu has created. Such instead of Tiamat being split up to create the planet she was instead exiled and imprisoned in another dimension. But then you have cases where Nasu has even buffed some gods. Like take Ares for example, in myth his sword was nothing special or was even mentioned in any capacity but now his sword is a kill stat. Plus while in.Fate he is seen as impressive God in Greek myth he was basically the guy nobody liked and a butt monkey.

    In any case we know to little of the Greek Gods to see how much of the feats is accurate. In fact pretty much all we know is that apparently they are robots or machine like.

    Inb4 Zeus is now Unicron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Well Nasu went GoW on these 2 pantheons.

    Yet his prototype was the only one giving Sefar a memorable fight instead of whoever the prototype of Zeus was. That is already a red flag. Then a thunder god of another pantheon aka Indra has something that can kill the titan. Red flag 2.

    No. Independent Manifestation only allows you to be immune to instant kill and time travel attacks through paradox. It doesn't help you all of a sudden tap into the future spacetime of an era where god's power cannot be used without severe self-destruction. The only explanation I can see is that due to her being beyond the time axis, aka she has universe of records viewpoint. At that point the time axis is just a book so you can poke into any pages as will. And when time has no bearing on you, you are eternal. If you have to eat apples to prolong your life, that means you are still bound by time itself.
    Aaaaaaaand for Merlin to project himself through time at full power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuno View Post
    Also a question because i know almost nothing about buddhism, shouldn't Herk have some obscure syncretism power (since this appears so often) for being the model in some representations of Nio/Vajrapani or something?
    sorry if i said something wrong
    Actually they added both Herc and Zeus. Herc is considered a manifestation of one of the Nioh while Zeus was added due to him being very similar to Indra, who was already syncretized a long time before that. They are all depicted as the protector/guardian standing behind Buddha or usually shows up as the extension of Buddha's power. As of now we saw no mention of this in Nasuverse, which makes sense since modern Buddhism almost never mention this. I hope it never comes up lol, cuz I can feel even more rage coming if that happens.

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    Reminder that plenty of myths had the Olympians needing to eat ambrosia to be immortal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Reminder that plenty of myths had the Olympians needing to eat ambrosia to be immortal.
    True, but that's not the golden apples, and ambrosia is like the comment food for God's. There's a difference between a guy that needs to daily eat a specific type of medication to keep living and to a normal person who just lives normally by just having his normal food like everyone else.
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    Inb4 ambrosia is just fancy name for golden apples in nasuverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Inb4 ambrosia is just fancy name for golden apples in nasuverse.
    And Ahnenerbe sells them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    I don't think that word means what you think it means.
    "Bragging" carries the connotation of overstating your deeds in order boast.
    If Zeus says he can fight and defeat any God in the Olympian pantheon (which I don't remember and seems somewhat out of character, but then it's been a decade since I last read The Iliad), he's not bragging because that is factually something he can do.

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