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    Probably I'm just being dumb and failing at reading comprehension, but aren't Kiara's Logos Eater and Thesis of the Still Heart technically the same, since they come from her medical software? Or is there any difference in the effects, lore-wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King of Padoru View Post
    Probably I'm just being dumb and failing at reading comprehension, but aren't Kiara's Logos Eater and Thesis of the Still Heart technically the same, since they come from her medical software? Or is there any difference in the effects, lore-wise?
    Logos Eater is that clause in Angra Mainyu CCC which says - If Intelligent = extra damage
    Thesis of the Still Heart is Secret Garden getto
    Thesis of the Still Heart [codecast] P181
    Gojyou Shinkan.

    Healing software developed by Kiara Sesshoin.

    It is a codecast used to perform mental maintenance. It first determines the areas of the mind that are stagnating or out of order, and then physically removes them, thereby returning stability to the users mind. This program was originally made to map out a patients mind and then understand the connections found in their mind.



    For the most part a Secret Garden is supposed to be a place where you would relax and be relieved of your ailments over a period of time, but the Thesis of the Still Heart enables the rapid discovery and removal of mental troubles.

    Of course Secret Gardens are secrets, but at the same time their contents should be revealed. It’s natural that everyone wants to protect their secrets, but at the same time there is also that feeling of wanting others to know.

    It’s “painful” to always be protecting a secret.

    And it’s only human nature to want to be free of burden.

    Precisely because it’s a secret you don’t want anyone to know, you desire exoneration, so you break it to someone and have them understand your situation.

    Thesis of the Still Heart seems to have been made to fulfill this subconscious, fundamental desire through true mutual understanding.
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    Oh I get what you don't get know

    so Logos eater originates from this codecast
    10,000 Lust Bondage [codecast] P203-204

    Banshoku Yuutai.

    Healing software developed by Sesshoin Kiara.

    It constitutes a hack of the spiritron transformed digital body made from an arrangement of Eternal Heaven Sect secret prayers and austerities.

    It’s a codecast used with the aim of performing mental care, however since it has the risky potential to be used to violate a person’s human rights, Kiara herself sealed the software away and labeled it as an illicit program.

    It invades the cyber brain of its target, and by analyzing brain signals, communication and response to stimulus, the software can freely read the contents of the target’s mind and soul.



    To be frank, this software is just like its name; the user of the codecast completely accepts and takes in the target through a naked encounter in the cyber world.

    Although the software was developed for medical purposes, ironically, the feeling of euphoria and comfort it provides exceeds that of so-called cyber drugs. If someone with a weak Ego or weak will power were to use this software, they would end up in a world of suffering. There have been many cases where after using this software the user abandons the idea of returning to reality.



    After an incident where some high ranking government officials were infected with this software, the West Europe Plutocracy designated it as illegal, and went after its developer Kiara Sesshoin, and put her on the international wanted criminal list.

    Of course it can be said this result was only expected seeing as this software will go down in cyber crime history for breaking one of the greatest taboos.
    Thesis of the Still Heart originates fromthe codecast I posted above.

    Basically it's like each comes from a different healing spell tree.
    If you put in enough points in the Bondage Spell you can add the Logos Eater add-on to the skill.
    But the base spells are Lust Bondage and Thesis of the Still Heart
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Speaking of Angra Mainyu CCC, was any reason given why EMIYA takes the least damage from it amongst Hakuno's Servants? Is EMIYA nonbinary or just so much dumber than Gil that it eclipses the opposite gender clause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Logos Eater is that clause in Angra Mainyu CCC which says - If Intelligent = extra damage
    Thesis of the Still Heart is Secret Garden getto


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    Oh I get what you don't get know

    so Logos eater originates from this codecast


    Thesis of the Still Heart originates fromthe codecast I posted above.

    Basically it's like each comes from a different healing spell tree.
    If you put in enough points in the Bondage Spell you can add the Logos Eater add-on to the skill.
    But the base spells are Lust Bondage and Thesis of the Still Heart

    Man, CCC really was just an hop, skip and a jump away from returning to the series'
    porn
    original roots
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    And here I thought I was joking when I pointed out Extra technically has a sex scene in it.

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    There's literally a shot of Kiara using the Earth to masturbate
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    There's literally a shot of Kiara using the Earth to masturbate
    Oh, it's more than just a shot.

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    Thank You very much. I think I get it now.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Speaking of Angra Mainyu CCC, was any reason given why EMIYA takes the least damage from it amongst Hakuno's Servants? Is EMIYA nonbinary or just so much dumber than Gil that it eclipses the opposite gender clause?
    Doesn't Gil have a NP that basically makes him omniscient?

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    Yes, yes he does

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    Also has him be crazy good at chess
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    Might be a reference to Emiya being able to resist the shadow in HF because it doesn't work as well against distorted spirits.

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    Can a dark apostle become a servant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomking View Post
    Can a dark apostle become a servant?
    Assuming you mean Dead Apostle, I doubt it, since Dead Apostles seem to be fundamentally opposite existences to Heroic Spirits. Heroic Spirits exalt human history, while Dead Apostles reject it.

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    That probably wouldn't matter much if it's just a case of being recorded. The Throne has copyied many monsters and Anti-heroes in itself despite them all being anti-humanity. To figure out truly tho. There may be a case if Naritia actually explores it. In SF there was this person who interacted and was enamored by DAs who should have been in the throne after death but wasn't. If that gets explored and we find out the guy was turned into a DA, died, and got in the throne or not, that would be the canon answer. But right now we don't know.
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    Thx, another question so I couldn't notice that media has pointed ears, is she an elf, or are elfs possibly her decenedents?

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    We don't know why pointed ears. Certainly not because of anything to so with elves. Whether elves exist or not I fate is something which was never confirmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by venomking View Post
    Thx, another question so I couldn't notice that media has pointed ears, is she an elf, or are elfs possibly her decenedents?
    She's not an elf, but elf ears seem to be a vague indicator for divinity in the Nasuverse (Semiramis also has them as a daughter of the Syrian fish goddess Derketo).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    We don't know why pointed ears. Certainly not because of anything to so with elves. Whether elves exist or not I fate is something which was never confirmed.
    Personally I imagine elves would probably be a subtype of elemental spirit, seeing as they're generally considered "close to nature" in popular depictions.

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    Record of Lodoss War influences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    That probably wouldn't matter much if it's just a case of being recorded. The Throne has copyied many monsters and Anti-heroes in itself despite them all being anti-humanity.
    Anti-heroes aren't anti humanity, they're just not part of it
    Quote Originally Posted by hf
    "Correct. Anti-heroes have to be both victim and assailant.
    …They are created by the people, but are not a part of humanity. It is that contradiction which allows them to be 'the enemy of the world' exempt from all the restraining forces of the world."
    And I don't think we have an example yet of an actual singularity anti-humanity monster like the Nemean Lion.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    If for whatever reason, Shirou didn’t go investigate the Shadow in HF, would he and Saber be fine...? Or does that get a ticket to bad-end central?

    also, Saber does not use Excalibur against true assassin for Mana purposes, right?
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    Saber doesn't use Excalibur because of collateral. She was in a building, using her gigantic beam sword there would be unwise and could have had bad effects for Shirou and any civilians still there
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    Also worth noting that Excalibur is a huge mana drain and using it to snuff some punk heroic pothead would seem like a waste until it was to late.
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