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    No one knows because if Nasu was actually faithful to Indian mythology Arjuna, Karna and Rama would all have 50 Astras each with like half of them capable of busting planet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    No one knows because if Nasu was actually faithful to Indian mythology Arjuna, Karna and Rama would all have 50 Astras each with like half of them capable of busting planet
    That's precisely why I asked. At least three, the astras corresponding to the Trinity, would definitely be at planet buster level if fully adapted, and quite a few more would be anti-army at least and probably Anti-World at most. So basically, Nasu has avoided the issue by simply ignoring that part of mythology? Good to know.

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    Because Servants arem't the whole existence of a person, just an aspect of them. It's why the same HS has different Noble Phantasms in different classes.

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    The Karna who was actually lived in the past might have been able to use twenty different astras, but Karna as a Lancer class Servant can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Its a bad example and one you should not make into a habit tbph

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    First of all, why would adding one or two more AntiWorld NP make things inconsistent
    More Servant being introduced means obviously.more NPs being introduced.

    Second of all, not counting CCC's digital NP there's like, 5-10 anti world NP among about like 200-300 of other types of Noble Phantasm

    It aint exactly "a lot more" in comparison
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    Except im just saying dont make bad example in this forum as a habit

    Im not assuming any existing abit of yours.

    Its funny how you automatically translates that as me saying you have a bad habit. Almost like youre being conscious about it or something.
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    You have a lot of patience castor, i gave up a long time ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    You have a lot of patience castor, i gave up a long time ago
    You poor, poor soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neveron View Post
    (non-CCC) Anti-World Noble Phantasms, in order of appearance:
    Fate/Stay Night:
    Gilgamesh' Enuma Elish. Rank EX.

    Fate/Extra:
    Tamamo-no-Mae's Eightfold Blessing. Rank D (EX)
    Nursery Rhyme's The Queen's Glass Game. Rank C

    Fate/Apocrypha:
    Semiramis' Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Rank EX

    Fate/Grand Order:
    Sherlock Holmes' Elementary, My Dear. Rank B
    Altera the Sun(ta)'s Candy Star Photon Ray. Rank EX
    Abigail Williams' Qlipoth Rhizome. Rank EX
    Fujino Asagami's Vijñaptimātratā. Rank EX
    Okita Souji (Alter)'s Decisive Blade. Rank A

    I think that's right, anyhow. I might be mixing up some of the FGO event release orders, and can't be arsed to look them up.

    In any case, Anti-World clearly doesn't mean that you're destroying the world. Hell, it's pretty clear that "anti-X" in general doesn't necessarily mean that it's opposed to X - it's just a preferred target designation of sorts, what with all the beneficial Anti-Unit NPs out there.
    You forgot Ars Paulina (rank EX).

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    About Romulus's IP, there's this one guy who told me this
    Romulus' list of relevant skills ends with "and a truly diverse set of other things" unlike Nero's simple etc.
    and from that he concluded that Romulus can get more stuff from IP than Nero.
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    Where does "and a truly diverse set of other things" come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Because Servants arem't the whole existence of a person, just an aspect of them. It's why the same HS has different Noble Phantasms in different classes.

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    The Karna who was actually lived in the past might have been able to use twenty different astras, but Karna as a Lancer class Servant can't.
    So are you saying Archer Karna and Archer Rama might have access to more astras? That may be true for the both of them since Lancer and Saber respectively are their weaker classes. However, Arjuna, based on what I've looked up, only really has access to the Pashupatastra, and it's FAR weaker than in myth, since that Astra is only anti-Army, when based on its description in myth, it should be anti-World or anti-Country at least, since it is THE strongest Astra and was used to destroy a triple city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    So are you saying Archer Karna and Archer Rama might have access to more astras? That may be true for the both of them since Lancer and Saber respectively are their weaker classes. However, Arjuna, based on what I've looked up, only really has access to the Pashupatastra, and it's FAR weaker than in myth, since that Astra is only anti-Army, when based on its description in myth, it should be anti-World or anti-Country at least, since it is THE strongest Astra and was used to destroy a triple city.
    Not likely. I mean Karna could get more Astra's but if he's an Archer the most you will get from him is his bow.

    Also Rama already has access to a lot of his Astra's. It's his second NP. If his Archer form has a higher divinity he likely be able to get more. So if anything, if an Indian hero wants to use all the Astra's that they are supposed to have you will have to go Rama's route of sticking them all in an NP. Which I doubt they will do for them except for a few exceptions.
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    His Archer form would definitely have a higher divinity because by that point the essence of Vishnu would have passed from Parashurama to him, and it's when he does his job as the Avatar of Vishnu and kills Ravana. Also, your explanation does make quite a bit of sense. However, I was curious if the astras count as magic or just bow-based NPs, and I guess the latter is the answer.

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    Do note that Astras in Hinduism can take both the form of weapons (such as Vasavi Shakti or Trishula) or things that you just invoke and put it into a random object and shoot (like even a small leaf can be infused with Brahmastra and shot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Do note that Astras in Hinduism can take both the form of weapons (such as Vasavi Shakti or Trishula) or things that you just invoke and put it into a random object and shoot (like even a small leaf can be infused with Brahmastra and shot)
    True, and that is the root of my inquiry. In mythology, it straddles the line between magic and weaponry because it can be invoked in anything, up and to including just the mind, and I was curious how the Nasuverse would translate that, so to speak, and it appears they've mostly gone the weapon route with some exceptions (Karna shot the Brahmastra Kundala out of his left eye). Also, I was wondering if the Astras could make someone eligible for Caster class, or if they were considered not spells in this context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    Not likely. I mean Karna could get more Astra's but if he's an Archer the most you will get from him is his bow.
    His Brahmastra was stated to be a bow if he is summoned as Archer, so he will get at least that and his bow, or Vijaya is gonna be a passive NP. Also can't rule out his chariot as nothing stopping an Archer to have mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    His Brahmastra was stated to be a bow if he is summoned as Archer, so he will get at least that and his bow, or Vijaya is gonna be a passive NP. Also can't rule out his chariot as nothing stopping an Archer to have mounts.
    Vijaya probably will be a passive NP because it's only notable in mythology because Parashurama gave it to him, and it's too heavy for an ordinary man to draw. Brahmastra will likely be his active NP, considering how important it is to his legend.

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