Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Iceblade44]

How did that start anyway? It obviously predates the Fuyuki one since that's the 200-something grail the Church has kept tabs on.

All grails are seen as wish granters and has been since as long as Artoria's time. The grail being a wish-granter was her whole motivation in making a contract with the world. Not to change her kingdom or restart but to find the grail which she would use to achieve her wish.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

And Bors didn't bring it back?

[Iceblade44]

True. Are all the Grails attempts to recapture the Third Magic? Were the Einzberns therefore responsible for all of them? Who else would make them, and what mechanism would they use to grant wishes? Finally, where is the original Grail, and how did it work?

I mean the Einzbern didn't make the grail as a wish-granter. That's a side feature and it is what they advertised to bring in foreign Masters. It being called a Holy Grail and built around that was probably for that purpose

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And Bors didn't bring it back?

I don't think he brought it back with him in myth either

[Zurvan]

Even if he did he sure wasn't on time for Saber

[Reign]

All grails are seen as wish granters and has been since as long as Artoria's time. The grail being a wish-granter was her whole motivation in making a contract with the world. Not to change her kingdom or restart but to find the grail which she would use to achieve her wish.

Yeah I know, I was just wondering where the idea of calling every wish-granting bundle of magical energy a Holy Grail first came from. But I doubt there's actually a reason for it.

[Ruisu]

Granting wishes is the supposed power of The holy grail the church is after. But for convenience sake the name holy grail is applied to any other "device" capable of similar power, since it conveys the idea immediately

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Also Kirei says something like "even if it's not the actual grail, if it can grant wishes the same then for the church it might as well be treated like the real thing."

[Trubo]

Where is it stated again that Karna's skin is everything but the gold armor he's wearing (i.e. the white and black parts of his design are his skin).

[Trubo]

And add in something that establishes that Saber isn't even the strongest member of the Knight's of the Round. Might be something in Garden of Avalon, but I haven't read what's been translated of that.

[Iceblade44]

And add in something that establishes that Saber isn't even the strongest member of the Knight's of the Round. Might be something in Garden of Avalon, but I haven't read what's been translated of that.

Well Lancelots and Gawain's profile, where it has Lancelot as strongest and that Gawain is more powerful then her at noon. Other then that, her scene with Bedivere in Camelot. I remember her saying stuff about it there

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Its one of those things Nasu likes where the circumstances change for the three involved, where you'd say that Lancelot is overall the most skilled and best but that at high noon Gawain is strongest but output wise one full Excaliblast Artoria outclasses them both. Like the Baz-Kuzuki-Kotomine thing.

Galahad is clearly the Kouma in this comparison.

[forumghost]

Its one of those things Nasu likes where the circumstances change for the three involved, where you'd say that Lancelot is overall the most skilled and best but that at high noon Gawain is strongest but output wise one full Excaliblast Artoria outclasses them both. Like the Baz-Kuzuki-Kotomine thing.

Galahad is clearly the Kouma in this comparison.

Suddenly Mash being a Cyclops makes so much sense.

[SpoonyViking]

Were Phantasmal Beasts indigenous to the world? Did they come from one of the other layers? Or were they brought into existence by humanity's stories?

Trying again!

[neveron]

Its one of those things Nasu likes where the circumstances change for the three involved, where you'd say that Lancelot is overall the most skilled and best but that at high noon Gawain is strongest but output wise one full Excaliblast Artoria outclasses them both. Like the Baz-Kuzuki-Kotomine thing.

Galahad is clearly the Kouma in this comparison.

Isn't Lancelot vs. Gawain all about how Lancelot ends up winning because he can just use his skill to keep the fight going until the sun goes down and Gawain isn't invincible any more? (And the problem in Camelot, then, is that the sun never sets.)

[pinetree]

So exactly what Arashi said?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Here I'll reword it to be clearer:

Q: Between Artoria, Lancelot, Gawain, Tristan, and Galahad, who’d be the top 3 in a purely sword-to-sword fight back when they were alive?

A: I’m excluding Galahad since his existence itself has become a mystery.
And even if he didn’t have that nature, he’s like a philosopher causing mental errors in his opponents.
Out of the four left, the winner in pure strength is Lancelot.
If it’s limited to one match at high noon, then Gawain.
And if it’s the Artoria from ten years ago with Avalon and full powered Excalibur, she's stronger than Lancelot overall.

Because you know Nasu'd give an answer like this.

[Altaris]

^ In a year this will be applied to Karna, Krishna, Rama and Arjuna

[Urameshi Yūsuke]

Its scary how accurate that is.

FFS Nasu just say X is better than Y who is better than Z

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

^ In a year this will be applied to Karna, Krishna, Rama and Arjuna

I honestly would be interested in what he has to say. If Hindu Mythology is to be taken for its word, then it's either Rama or Krishna who win, with it mostly likely being Rama.

Its scary how accurate that is.

FFS Nasu just say X is better than Y who is better than Z

It's basically Rock-Paper-Scissors, which makes sense since the concept in its modern form can trace its roots back to Japanese Buddhism.

[pinetree]

Arashi is Nasu I knew it

[SpoonyViking]

FFS Nasu just say X is better than Y who is better than Z

Nah, that's boring. The rock-paper-scissors setup is much more interesting.