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[You]

Yeah that made me do a doubletake when Lostbelt came out, I thought the World could summon HSs without the limitations of a class.

makes you think because the 7 Grands that the World summons are indeed bound by class
so maybe it was always bound by classes

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I thought it was the grails responding or some jargon.

Neither explanation would really make sense though, if they're summoned by Gaia or Alaya they shouldn't have classes and should be much more powerful, and the art graphs summoning them doesn't make sense because Goetia made those.

They're summoned by the World in Lostbelt but are still in class containers.

Though I don't think it was the world was summoning them in the singularities.

There are multiple reasons for summoning for each singularity.
Some are unknown

2004 = Already there
Orleans = Artgraph Counterforce?
Septum = Never explained
Okeanos = Medea Lily
London = the Makiri is randomly summoning Servants
America = ???
Camelot = That crusader and then Lion King and ???
Babylon = Gilgamesh

[pinetree]

I just assumed all the ones not explained were randomly summoned.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Related to my question about whether Servants retain memories of past summonings, do the Heroic Spirits in the Throne get transmitted memories of what they did while summoned as Servants? Also, in regards to the Einzbern clan, at what point were there no longer any human members, and the entire clan became populated by golems and homunculi?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Related to my question about whether Servants retain memories of past summonings, do the Heroic Spirits in the Throne get transmitted memories of what they did while summoned as Servants?

It's just like a book.
Every time a heroic spirit is summoned, the book with its story is sent to its home.
The heroic spirit itself remains in the house, reading those books.
The trouble is that the one at the house does not know when those books arrived.

Past or future do not matter.
All the "books" are already in his room.
His only way of measuring time is to read the records of his "cleaning" that he will accomplish.

It makes no difference if it's eternal or instantaneous.
Eternity is instantaneous, and an instant is eternal.
Therefore, he does not know how rare this miracle is.
He does not know if this is the first time or the thousandth time since he obtained this hope.
…All he has is unordered knowledge.
Past, present, and future are meaningless for heroic spirits.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

It's just like a book.
Every time a heroic spirit is summoned, the book with its story is sent to its home.
The heroic spirit itself remains in the house, reading those books.
The trouble is that the one at the house does not know when those books arrived.

Past or future do not matter.
All the "books" are already in his room.
His only way of measuring time is to read the records of his "cleaning" that he will accomplish.

It makes no difference if it's eternal or instantaneous.
Eternity is instantaneous, and an instant is eternal.
Therefore, he does not know how rare this miracle is.
He does not know if this is the first time or the thousandth time since he obtained this hope.
…All he has is unordered knowledge.
Past, present, and future are meaningless for heroic spirits.

Thank you.

[Lily Emilio]

Or if you go by the kanjis for Ghost Liners, HS are like filmstrips

[fire_mountain_30]

question.

do true ancestors also have the ability to reject human history like dead apostoles?

at first i didnt think so, but then i remembered that what Arcueid initially jumped to with shiki was that he had a conceptual weapon on him.

and also, werent they created in part to counterbalance humanity and are supposed to have an ability that is a sort of reset button for the world? if they do, then their existence rejecting human history would make more sense to me

[You]

question.

do true ancestors also have the ability to reject human history like dead apostoles?

at first i didnt think so, but then i remembered that what Arcueid initially jumped to with shiki was that he had a conceptual weapon on him.

and also, werent they created in part to counterbalance humanity and are supposed to have an ability that is a sort of reset button for the world? if they do, then their existence rejecting human history would make more sense to me

yea probably
the world makes stuff like the Nemean Lion and that babylonian thing that rejects human history
And if DA's reject human history and they were made by the TAs then makes sense the TAs do too.

[fire_mountain_30]

yea probably
the world makes stuff like the Nemean Lion and that babylonian thing that rejects human history
And if DA's reject human history and they were made by the TAs then makes sense the TAs do too.

oh, you know where this is going

does that prove that since Gae Bolg can kill Arc that it is a conceptual weapon? (yes i like to discuss the nitpicky details, sue me)

[You]

oh, you know where this is going

does that prove that since Gae Bolg can kill Arc that it is a conceptual weapon? (yes i like to discuss the nitpicky details, sue me)

The human history denial thing of DA's does not work on NPs that are being used by Heroic Spirits since they exemplify human history. So it'd probably be the same with TAs.

The only real person the DA's NO NPZ rules affect is Shirou, maybe Bazett, maybe Gray, probably not Asura!Kiritsugu

[fire_mountain_30]

Arent TA`s just way stronger than DA`s though?

Would comparing them to the nemean pelt level of power be closer to the mark? Since that like you mentioned, they are produced directly by the world, like the lion, unlike dead apostoles?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

We haven't seen a TA besides Arc, the built-specifically-for-battle TA

[Altima of the Gates]

Altrouge?

Do half-breeds count? Speaking of which, did we ever get some lore on how that came about?

[fire_mountain_30]

it was probably sex

[You]

Arent TA`s just way stronger than DA`s though?

Would comparing them to the nemean pelt level of power be closer to the mark? Since that like you mentioned, they are produced directly by the world, like the lion, unlike dead apostoles?

Well those creatures are mentioned to be living singularities

"Occasionally a creature of that sort appears — a singularity that rejects human civilization itself. At the very least, no tool created by humans will pierce that skin."
The set of Gilgamesh's lips softened slightly.
"What is it, Your Majesty?"

I don't think TA's have ever been called that.

[fire_mountain_30]

The tsuki collab will vindicate me.


In 2057

[LJ3]

Demon Lords?

[Trubo]

The human history denial thing of DA's does not work on NPs that are being used by Heroic Spirits since they exemplify human history. So it'd probably be the same with TAs.

The only real person the DA's NO NPZ rules affect is Shirou, maybe Bazett, maybe Gray, probably not Asura!Kiritsugu

Wasn't there something about how living Richard the Lionheart and Saladin or something faced a Dead Apostle and nearly died while alive?

[Iceblade44]

Nothing on whether if was hard or not, but yes Richard, Saladin, and a Hassan faced a DA and killed it. How? Don't know, if I would to guess I give it to the Hassan

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Could a Ruler class Servant be summoned under the corrupted Fuyuki Greater Grail, and could a Great Grail War type scenario take place with said Grail if it were in the right layline?