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[Reign]

Since it came up a bit in Accel Zero Order, what all do we know about Waver and Rin's dismantling the Greater Grail? It was five years after FSN right?

[castor212]

Probably dumb question

But we have never really actually been given a statement that "GoB has no godforge armament inside" right

Or have we

[Rafflesiac]

Vajra

[forumghost]

why doesn't projected Rule Breaker break itself when its projected, after all, its projected by tracing the image with magecraft

Because Rule Breaker can't affect Noble Phantasms?

[Iceblade44]

Since it came up a bit in Accel Zero Order, what all do we know about Waver and Rin's dismantling the Greater Grail? It was five years after FSN right?

Wasn't it like 10 years after? Yeah ten years makes sense.

Other than what was said in the story we know little else. Except that because of conflicting interests between the dismantlers and factions in the MA, it dissolved into a conflict that was on par to a HGW.

[Laserman]

Where is this all mentioned? In Case Files or Fate/Hollow Ataraixia?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

CM3

Case files hasn't gotten there yet and HA is all of six months after FSN

[castor212]

Vajra

Actually i remember ig alima and sulsagana too
Thx

[You]

But if he 'wrote' it with magic, wouldn't Rule Breaker 'erase' it?

rule breaker only applies to three situations
items reinforced with magecraft, contracts, and lifeforms created with magecraft

According to Caster, “This is a sword of negation and betrayal, that nullifies every kind of magecraft in the world.” Capable of returning objects strengthened with magical energy to their former state and nullifying connections bound by contracts, it could be said to be the ultimate “anti-magic” Noble Phantasm. It is an effect suitable to the Noble Phantasm that is a manifestation of Caster’s nature as the “Witch of Betrayal”.
As the complex shape of the blade would suggest, it isn’t a very powerful weapon. It’s probably only about as strong as a normal knife. Traditionally, ceremonial knives were never meant to be used as weapons, and were designed as mere decoration. This knife was created under that school of thought..

Rule Breaker.
A dagger that can destroy any sorcery.
It is an anti-sorcery Noble Phantasm, that returns any objects strengthened with magical energy, connections bound by contracts, or life forms created out of magical energy, to a state prior to their "creation".
Of course, there are limits. No matter how low the rank, it is impossible for Rule Breaker to affect a Noble Phantasm.
It is truly a Noble Phantasm befitting Caster, and was used to capture and monopolize Saber.
An unassumingly fearsome Noble Phantasm.

If you shot a fireball at Caster and she used Rule breaker at it, it wouldn't stop the fireball.
Therefore it matters how the magecraft is used and whether engraving himself onto Vlad constituted a contract.

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Actually i remember ig alima and sulsagana too

Well that's prisma

[castor212]

But it conforms to my belief so its gotta be canon

[You]

Since it came up a bit in Accel Zero Order, what all do we know about Waver and Rin's dismantling the Greater Grail? It was five years after FSN right?

2010s
The taking apart of the Holy Grail War.
Ten years after the Fifth War. Lord Emelloi the Second (real name, Waver Velvet. One of the Masters of the Fourth War) arrived in Fuyuki and together with the head of the Tohsaka line, set out to completely take apart the Great Grail. The Association was planning on bring back the Greater Grail, so the two sides were completely opposed. After the end of the great turmoil of the same magnitude as the Grail War, the Greater Grail was completely dismantled. The Grail Wars of Fuyuki came to a complete conclusion here.

Zero Accel Order actually has details

[Lily Emilio]

Probably dumb question

But we have never really actually been given a statement that "GoB has no godforge armament inside" right

Or have we

The general concept of it is that it has all things mankind had, having and will have cuz mankind's knowledge. So naturally you don't expect it to contain shinzo heisou. But since Gil does collect various other weapons, he gets a few shinzo heisou here and there.

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Vajra

Pretty sure it was never specifically called a shinzo heisou. It might be but we never got the namedrop. Both it and the trishula are deva weapons in Buddhism so it might be just a kind of generic divine weapon that are commonly used by devas.

[castor212]

yea i just want to make sure it was never really said, cuz gil's vault is both human wisdom and his own neet hoarding

rambling oot a bit

i start thinking because of what was said in Enkidu's interlude
Enkidu said that Gil's vault is a microcosm of human history
and you remember our discussion about how human history shaped by human's universe of awareness as it is has incorporated (devoured?) even god's own awareness
so saying Gil's vault is human history microcosm is like saying it includes even god's shenanigans that is part of human history

and then i feel its too convenient so I checked CCC Gil's vault description
then it said what isnt in the vault would be either stuffs belonging to new race of humans, or stuffs belonging to peeps on other celestial bodies
so technically its one hundred percent lore compliant for him to have be it normal divine stuffs or flat out GFA as long as its of gods on our planet incorporated in our history

so i was like whew they really were careful about it, like "nuh uh uh we never said he cant have GFA in there, and we keep them lores checks out with each other (no really, we do)"

now where's my banana

[AmADo VII]

^
we'll see how Gil reacts to Arjuna's Pashupatastra in Extela Link.

[castor212]

btw i dont know much about indian myth so

was pashupata ever actually used or not?

irl myth i mean

[Ing Ryudo]

Ans about Primate Murder, I can't fully understand how Cath Palug became the Beast of Gaia. Surely without Merlin' guidance, it will enventually turn into Primate Murder. But aside its strength and ability, how did it get the Authority to annihilate humanity? Is Gaia having a part in this? And also, some people say that it partly became a Dead Apostle by drinking blood and Altrouge gave it some power. Is it true?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Who knows, how did Kiara get it too?

[Lily Emilio]

btw i dont know much about indian myth so

was pashupata ever actually used or not?

irl myth i mean

Yes. Shiva used Vijaya (Karna's bow, the one that makes him invincible) to fire it at a city and obliterated it. Later he gave the bow to Surya and Surya passed it to Karna.

[castor212]

so it only destroys one city?

[Iceblade44]

It was to destroy a city of demons tho.

Also didn't Indrajit have Pashupata also? Did he ever use it?