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    Requiem has some cameos from GO-original servants like Blackbeard and Circe too. Nothing major though.

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    Olga-marie appears in El melloi case files

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    How does Revelation work? Besides showing/telling someone the shortest/most ideal path towards what they wish to achieve/reach. Also, is the Christian God real in the Nasuverse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    Even if she was, she's Japanese, so no.
    What does her being Japanese have to do with her being a Heroic Spirit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeblord View Post
    Olga-marie appears in El melloi case files
    This. They even allude to Marisbury, giving some insight about the Animusphere family in the normal FSN timeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyLich79 View Post
    Also, is the Christian God real in the Nasuverse?
    Yes. Dude gave Solomon his rings and handing out Revelations here and there. Karl called him "the world" so it is unknown of the entity that is YHVH exist as a legit god (remember that originally he's one of the few gods worshiped in Israel and earth mother goddess Asherah was his waifu, he can just be like any nature gods back then) or not. But yes, his presence is a thing.
    What does her being Japanese have to do with her being a Heroic Spirit?
    You didn't even understand your own question. You asked if she can be summoned in the Fuyuki HGW. Fuyuki grail will generally not allow an Asian heroic spirit to be summoned because the grail is a Western concept. So yes, her being Japanese will exclude her from the Fuyuki system in the first place. And before you bring up Kojirou, remember that he was there due to Medea hacking, which is basically the answer to all shenanigans in any HGW. And then if you want to talk about Emiya, the guy is a Counter Guardian.

    The Kiara of FGO wasn't even summoned by Chaldea, she was the Alter Ego of Beast Kiara who left that saint graph behind as she dies and Chaldea just grabbed that shit. She's not a heroic spirit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    You didn't even understand your own question. You asked if she can be summoned in the Fuyuki HGW. Fuyuki grail will generally not allow an Asian heroic spirit to be summoned because the grail is a Western concept.
    That always seemed like a rather flimsy justification to me. Why wouldn't Japanese Heroic Spirits just identify the Grail with some wish-granting artifact from Japanese legends (too lazy to research, but I'm sure there's some) instead of the Western concept? It's not like the concept of "magical thingy that grants wishes" is something terribly unique to the West.

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    Probably because the Einzbern's didn't want Japanese HS showing up, and so they programmed the System not to let them.

    The Fuyuki Grail specifically has a whole bunch of limitations on who it can summon.

    No JP Spirits, No Anti-Heroes (until AM Corruption) Only Hassan as an Assassin because the class container is designed as it's own Catalyst.

    Most of which were removed in Apoc, (which I'll note uses the same Grail) so it's a software and not a hardware issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    That always seemed like a rather flimsy justification to me. Why wouldn't Japanese Heroic Spirits just identify the Grail with some wish-granting artifact from Japanese legends (too lazy to research, but I'm sure there's some) instead of the Western concept? It's not like the concept of "magical thingy that grants wishes" is something terribly unique to the West.
    Japanese HS would get fame boost cuz the war is on their home turf. A huge name such as Nobu or Tamamo...etc would result into some serious unbalanced and unfair shit. Good thing Kojirou was not-Kojirou.

    And yes there is wish granting shits in Asian legends, Musashi did thought the grail is like the bowl of Guanyi Bodhisattva. But this is the system made by very very Western ppl using Western magic, it's hard to be compatible to all that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    Probably because the Einzbern's didn't want Japanese HS showing up, and so they programmed the System not to let them.

    The Fuyuki Grail specifically has a whole bunch of limitations on who it can summon.

    No JP Spirits, No Anti-Heroes (until AM Corruption) Only Hassan as an Assassin because the class container is designed as it's own Catalyst.

    Most of which were removed in Apoc, (which I'll note uses the same Grail) so it's a software and not a hardware issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Japanese HS would get fame boost cuz the war is on their home turf. A huge name such as Nobu or Tamamo...etc would result into some serious unbalanced and unfair shit. Good thing Kojirou was not-Kojirou.

    And yes there is wish granting shits in Asian legends, Musashi did thought the grail is like the bowl of Guanyi Bodhisattva. But this is the system made by very very Western ppl using Western magic, it's hard to be compatible to all that is.
    Fair enough. Thanks for the clear answers, guys!

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    Reminder that in Apo the Einzbern (probably) removed that limitation to cheat and summon Amakusa, so it's probably intentional

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Fair enough. Thanks for the clear answers, guys!
    奈須:「エクストラ」の聖杯戦争には、東洋の英雄がサーヴァントとして召喚されています。禁じ手、解禁です 。
    ――本当ですか!? イレギュラーな存在は、アサシンの佐々木小次郎だけだったはずでは……?
    奈 須:「Fate/stay night」の聖杯戦争における召喚システムは、西洋の魔術世界でつくられたものだから、西洋の英霊しか召 喚できないようになっているんです。でも、「エ クストラ」は世界そのものがイレギュラーだし、聖杯戦争のシステム自体がこれまでとは異なるので、東洋の英 霊もアリにしようということになりました。
    Nasu: In EXTRA's Grail War, Eastern heroes can be summoned as Servants. The ban is removed.
    ----Really?! Wasn't Assassin Sasaki Kojirou the only irregular existence...?
    Nasu: The summoning system of Fate/stay night's Grail War was created in the world of Western magi, so it can only summon Western heroic spirits. But EXTRA's world itself is irregular, and the Grail War system is different from the previous ones, so Eastern heroic spirits are possible too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zurvan View Post
    Reminder that in Apo the Einzbern (probably) removed that limitation to cheat and summon Amakusa, so it's probably intentional
    It could be that being christian > being eastern in that scenario.
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    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Do we know why Moon Cell stopped the grail wars? (Aside the Velber problem)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlo View Post
    Do we know why Moon Cell stopped the grail wars? (Aside the Velber problem)
    because you asked it to
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Wut


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarlo View Post
    Wut
    When Hakuno wins the Grail War they say 'plz stop the meaningless deathmatches kthanksbye'

    And since they're the winner, that's what the Moon Cell does.

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    Oh yeah, my bad


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeadDemon View Post
    Seems like you'd need a pretty big paradigm shift at this point.
    I genuinely think that Gil whole speech basically boils down to whether or not a species' awareness space manages to triumph over other species was what decides the prime position
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    In the Greek Lostbelt, will Zeus need a human body to possess?

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    We don't know all the details of that lostbelt yet but I'd assume no since the goal is to make a world where the Age of Gods is still around.

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    If summoning a Servant in the land of their origin makes them extra strong, why doesn't everyone just attempt the summoning at the place of origin of the hero whose catalyst is being used?
    Also, Scathach can exit the Land of Shadows any time she wants right?
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