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[Dullahan]

in the badass vs thread, probably

[Tobias]

I actually remember that one, though not the origins. It’s really old though. Like ‘05-‘06 levels of “back in the day”

[SpoonyViking]

Saber lacks raw power? Compared to what?

[Zurvan]

Compared to Arc's special power

better than you

your stats + 1

, provided by the "unlimited" back up of the Earth

[SpoonyViking]

Hm, true.

[Menwearpink]

Even without that Arc's kind of a big bundle of boom in terms of power compared to any servant when she actually gets some of her strength.

[MarqFJA87]

I suppose nobody knows the answer to my question here?

[LeadDemon]

You're asking about what the relation between the magical energy/mana side of things and the Ether/True Ether side of things is, yeah?

The mana of the common era is known as ether, the fifth imaginary element. It is artificial magical energy. Before the common era, when human civilization was yet undeveloped, magical energy was known by another name. True ether. The power that births planets. That which composes heavenly bodies. The fifth theoretical element. This true ether is the very fountainhead that brings gods into existence.

Ether's the magical energy of nowadays, True Ether's the magical energy of the AoG.

[BeastXxx]

Is Arc's marble phantasm on par with authorities?

[Lily Emilio]

No. Authorities = I can do X becuz I have the right to do X, it doesn't matter if X is beyond nature laws. MP = I can make this thing related to nature happen within what is naturally allowed. Two different things.

[BeastXxx]

I'm talking about MP's effects being authority level. For example Arc being able to create any world she desires should be equal to or stronger than nation building authorities.

[Tobias]

I mean they are both really strong, but comparing the two isn’t easy because the functions are pretty different. Arc can’t Nero, but lancer could using his lance which is nigh an authority. But using MP arc can kill things lancer can’t and do things he cannot do as well

[castor212]

i mean it also depends on the authority

authority over the force of nature would be different in magnitude against, say, authority over tacos

[LeadDemon]

Arc's Blut de Spelling on the Moon's mentioned to be an Authority. Off the top of my head I don't think any of her other stuff's explicitly called out like that.

[forumghost]

Yeah it really depends on how you think of 'stronger'

Lets take a random example.

Arc wants to create say... an Earthquake. She can totally do that. She just has to cause a little tectonic activity and bam, done, easy as.
Random God with Authority over Earthquakes wants to cause an Earthquake. It just happens, even without tectonic activity.

That is the raw mechanics behind the two abilities.

However, even though Arc can produce an equal or greater effect with her MP then the God of Earthquakes here can with their Authority... If it comes down to it, If the God in question wants there not to be an Earthquake and Arc does, Arc can (as I understand it) use her Marble Phantasm to cause all the tectonic movement she wants and the Ground will just magically stand still because fuck you physics, respect my Authoritah

So even though Arc's ability may be Stronger and Broader then an Authority, it still loses to it.

[Lily Emilio]

Arc's Blut de Spelling on the Moon's mentioned to be an Authority. Off the top of my head I don't think any of her other stuff's explicitly called out like that.

Yes, it's a type of Authority entirely based on the relationship between Earth and Moon. That's why you also have the same Sun and Moon relationship that certain sun-type servants demonstrated in there. Moon Cell-based Authority functions more RPG-like.

[castor212]

extra couldve been the nasuverse rpg we all wishes for

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actually just release dnd nasuversebrew rule book already

[MarqFJA87]

You're asking about what the relation between the magical energy/mana side of things and the Ether/True Ether side of things is, yeah?

Yes.

Ether's the magical energy of nowadays, True Ether's the magical energy of the AoG.

So... Ether and True Ether are both magical energy (maryoku), instead of life energy (seimeiryoku) like Mana and Od are, and thus are converted from the latter? In other words, when Rin channels magical energy for her spells, she's using Ether, while when Medea (who hails from the AoG) does the same, she's using True Ether? What's the explanation for why True Ether is so different from Ether? Were Mana and Od during AoG that much different in quality?

[castor212]

magic energy is the umbrella terms of mana and od

[You]

authority over the force of nature would be different in magnitude against, say, authority over tacos

lies
authority over tacos means authority over Tuesdays

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Yes.


So... Ether and True Ether are both magical energy (maryoku), instead of life energy (seimeiryoku) like Mana and Od are, and thus are converted from the latter? In other words, when Rin channels magical energy for her spells, she's using Ether, while when Medea (who hails from the AoG) does the same, she's using True Ether? What's the explanation for why True Ether is so different from Ether? Were Mana and Od during AoG that much different in quality?

Magical Energy
An essential element for invoking magecraft. Also known as the primordial animus, and life itself.
It is broadly divided into two types: the greater magical energy (mana), which is the breath of the planet filling the world and nature, and the lesser magical energy (od), which is possessed by living beings (humans).

魔術を発動させる為の要素。原初の生命力とも、命そのものとも言われる。
世界、自然に満ちた星の息吹たる大魔力（マナ）と、生命（人間）が持つ小魔力（オド）とに分類 される。

"Then I'll start off with something simple.
You know that magical energy is what you need to use magic, right? You can actually refer to anything that can activate magic as 'magical energy'.
There's an infinite variety of magical energy.
There are some that perform magic using their force of will, and there are some that that use magic by paying a price other than themselves.
You know this much, right?"

Like I've said before, this emphasis on "life energy being converted into magical energy" and trying to parse converted as an absolute change of state is not a hill you should die on.