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    Quote Originally Posted by AAM1232 View Post
    Probably not, who knows? It's not like the Sun in LB 2 was huge either, so size might vary per Texture.
    that was a very specific, artificially created sun

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    but are those planets as large as the real deal?

    as in, is Ishtar's Venus aa big as the one that Type Venus comes from?
    depends on the mythological culture and their conception of scale.
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    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    depends on the mythological culture and their conception of scale.
    would that really influence the size of individual planets?

    i get the size of the overall cosmology, sure, but for the planets? idk really

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    I mean, some cultures don't even see those planets places. The Chinese for exemple


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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    would that really influence the size of individual planets?

    i get the size of the overall cosmology, sure, but for the planets? idk really
    It wouldn't change the size of the planet outside of the texture's awareness space, but would change the size of the planet within it.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    It wouldn't change the size of the planet outside of the texture's awareness space, but would change the size of the planet within it.
    Do you know of any religious differences IRL that can lead to the same planet being viewed with varying sizes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the god of world-0 View Post
    I mean, some cultures don't even see those planets places. The Chinese for exemple
    Could you please elaborate?

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    like altair and vega are literraly a guy and a girl. lucifer is also supossed to be the
    morning star
    venus
    and the greeks though of the sun as a chariot, things like that you know.


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_cosmology

    People had lots of ideas on how their world and universe was, with a lot of variance in between.

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    The thing to remember about planets is that it's not immediately obvious how far away they are - and, thus, it's not immediately obvious how large they are. As an example, Ptolemy's model of the cosmos said that Saturn was at most 19,865 earth radii away - the actual distance is 257 649 radii.

    If he'd been able to predict the size of Saturn from that, his calculations would have made it slightly smaller than the Earth.

    Most ancient religions were not based on that kind of semi-rigorous astronomy.

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    I know that Gugalanna was stolen from Ishtar (by Ishtar herself) in the Babylonia singularity, but was she still able to use Noble Phantasm: Gugalanna Strike in the singularity?

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    "Grand Order: Coronal Rank Designation (冠位指定グランドオーダー, Kan'i ShiteiGurando Ōdā?), as it relates to Magic Crests, is the highest law of the magus chosen to inherit the Magic Crest, where he is forbidden from committing suicide by a severe mental restraint. Since meaningless suicide of a magus who possesses a Magic Crest would most likely mean his bloodline's loss of claim to magecraft itself, the inability to commit suicide has been known to be the paramount responsibility of magi since the inception of modern magecraft. In order to kill oneself while carrying a Magic Crest, it is necessary to have an extremely legitimate reason."

    So, this is said on the Wiki, but having looked at both the fan TL and official EN TL of Time Temple Solomon (where I assume it'd come up), I haven't seen anything about 'mental restraint on suicide". Is this fanon then, or from Clock Tower 2015 or some other source?

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    「あのね、そんな動機じゃ無理だから。おまえは本当に基礎がなってない。そもそも簡単に自殺できないだろ、 魔術師は」
    「あ。……そうでした。魔術刻印がある以上、精神的疾患で自分から命を断つ事は難しいわよね」
    「ああ。刻印は恩恵でもあるが、同時に運命を縛る鎖でもある。外的要因で命を落とすのならともかく、自分の 手で一族の掟を破る事はできない。つまり、挫折したから自ら命を断つ、なんてリタイヤは許されない。それが 古い家柄なら尚更だ。おまえは知らないだろうからきっちり教えてやる。西暦以前から続く家系が持つはじまり の命令。魔術世界におけるもっとも崇高な血の掟。一族が途絶えるまでその使命に殉じさせる、呪いじみた絶対 厳守の誇り。それが冠位指定―――グランドオーダーと呼ばれるものだ。ようはその魔術師の家系が起こる際、 神から授かった責務だな。フラウロス氏は間違いなくその手の名門の嫡子だった。だから、絶望程度で自分を殺 せる訳がない」
    It's from CT2015. That said the mental restraint bit looks like a mistranslation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quick and dirty tl
    "Right. If it was suicide I can see how he would despair at the world. As an intermediary in the present, Mr. Flauros must've known both the distant past and future? Then it would be hopeless for him. The past and future ones were still fine - they could only ever look in one direction, after all. But the one in the present knew the outcome that awaited on either side. He understood the despair of how unchangeable both are better than anyone. And I guess...he ended up killing himself because he couldn't bear that burden?"
    "I'm telling you, such a motive is impossible. There's a fundamental issue. Magi can't kill themselves that simply to begin with."
    "Ah. ...right. Because of the magic crest, it's difficult to take your own life because of mental illness."
    Since they were talking about Flauros' despair just before.
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    What were the specifics of how Rule Breaker worked again? IIRC Nasu tweeted about it during the anime, like how it messes with the spell interfacing with the foundation or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    What were the specifics of how Rule Breaker worked again? IIRC Nasu tweeted about it during the anime, like how it messes with the spell interfacing with the foundation or something.
    『破戒すべき全ての符』と書いてルールブレイカー。
    発動している魔術式を反故にする宝具。殺傷能力はないが、使い方次第でこのように戦局を大きく 変えられる。
    なに、真名発動がなかった? アニメなのでそこは流せ。
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    Rule Breaker written as "All Spells Must Be Broken".
    A Noble Phantasm that breaks the magic formula when invoked. Isn't great at dealing wounds, but greatly changes how the war progresses depending on how its used.
    What? The true name wasn't invoked? The anime flows better like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cm3
    Magic formula
    Something included in a magic foundation and in which the function of magic is recorded.
    The magus sends a command to the magic formula, puts magic power into it, and thereby activates the function of magic incorporated into the formula in advance. There's
    The first step was the area around Luvia herself.

    The magic circle slowly began to rotate.

    The magical energy took the form of a spiral as it span.

    From a combination of my master's explanation after the fact and my own intuitions, it seemed like what Luvia was trying to do was like a puzzle. For example, when given the equation '3+4=5' laid out in matches, and you have to make the equation correct by moving only a single match.

    It was taking the original foundational formula underlying the Castle of Separation and, using jewels and her own magical energy, making the smallest possible change that would change the entire formula.

    Of course, the scope and complexity of the task weren't even comparable to that of the match puzzle.

    The scope was the entire Castle of Separation, and the magic circles had to be precise enough that not even an ant could slip through unnoticed.

    No matter how many jewels she used as boosters, it was like trying to use a fire hose to make a sculpture a few dozen feet in front of you.

    But,

    "Call. Connect Green 7 to Red 8. Excite Red 10, and circulate to Blue 4. Blue 6, connect with Blue 7, 9, 11, and Red 5, 6, 25 connect with Green and Red 11. Thou shalt be my guide."

    The incantation continued.

    The second step was the entire room.

    The spiraling magical energy raised its head as if it were a snake.
    And then,

    "Of course, you weren't planning on hiding the Princess of Gold's formula, were you?"

    "...what? What are you talking about?"

    Seeing Lord Byron's breath catch, my brother continued.

    "Tower of the Sun, Tower of the Moon. Princess of Gold, Princess of Silver. Naturally, it's clear enough to see that the formulas of the Sun and Moon are patterned after gold and silver. On top of that, the foundation of the magecraft seems to have an alchemical motif. The use of the Sun and Moon in metaphor is a common pattern in Western Alchemy. From the beginning, the objective of Alchemy was to turn Fool's Gold into actual gold - following that metaphor, it is an
    Great Craft
    Ars Magna
    intended to transform the lowly human into a being capable of being compared with God. In short, the Princesses of Gold and Silver and their unspeakable beauty are a result of that process."

    Smoothly, as if reading it out of a textbook, my brother summarily shattered the mystery behind the Princess of Gold.

    No, in this case, that might literally have been true.
    If the foundation is like the coding language, C++, Python, Java then the formula is the script for the program. Rule Breaker magically screws up the script for the things it can affect, magical constructs, reinforced items, and contracts.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Alright, thanks.
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    Okay, question--is there any information on magecraft that involves the observation of memories? I know memory alteration is a thing, so wouldn't that imply the ability to see memories as well?
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    Illya walks around Shirou's dreams to dab on him in Presage Flower. Memory access should be pretty simple if you're good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Illya walks around Shirou's dreams to dab on him in Presage Flower. Memory access should be pretty simple if you're good enough.
    Great, now you've got the image of Ilya dabbing stuck in my brain. Thanks for that, ya silly jackwagon.
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    On another note, could someone remind me what the downsides are for one Master to have control over more than one Servant? Aside from the obvious mana drain, I think I remember someone saying that having more than one causes the Servants' parameters to drop a rank or something? Or is that incorrect?
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    The downsides are you're probably going to die.

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