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[Ruisu]

I guess when were talking about the classification of an NP, it usually considers the actual objective and target of it instead of just side effects, so to say.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

The world isn't actually the target, though. The target is oneself. So complain it isn't anti-personnel.

The texture of the world also doesn't change, since, you know, the world still exists. It's not like everyone in Fuyuki got transported when Iskandar used IH while fighting cthulu.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

The world isn't actually the target, though. The target is oneself. So complain it isn't anti-personnel.

The texture of the world also doesn't change, since, you know, the world still exists. It's not like everyone in Fuyuki got transported when Iskandar used IH while fighting cthulu.

Makes sense. However, I am also more confused than when I started. On a semi-related note, are there any Heroic Spirits with Anti-Planet Noble Phantasms?

[pinetree]

No, just Moon-Cell weirdos like BB and Kiara I think.

[asterism42]

BB, Kiara, Saber Venus

[fire_mountain_30]

Probably. I never really understood it either but that's my guess as well.

probably because it enforces the concept of inversion upon a specific area.

honestly, just about any mage boundary field that messes with reality even slightly should be classified as anti world

[Lily Emilio]

Don't let me start on jusokai...

[You]

And prelati's illusions that trick the world should be anti-world

[Clyton]

Wait how is Hanging Gardens anti-world? Is it because the inside is Semi's domain?

It's because to activate it, you have to target the World so that what was false (Semiramis being the owner of the Hanging Gardens) becomes the truth. For all intents and purposes, Hanging Garden is really a Fortress/Barrier Noble Phantasm in terms of function.

[Menwearpink]

More like anti-wallet with how much it takes to make tbh.

[castor212]

Smtg2 world runs on money

[BK201]

How well is Modred compared against the rest of the kotr? I can't really tell how good she is from her performance in apo considering her dependence on CS for her major fights.

Vs Frank. CS to survive her np though Frank is also CS boosted
Vs Sieg(fried). CS to be able to fight evenly
Vs Semiramis. CS and antidote to survive both poison and bashmu

[Deathhappens]

yes hanging gardens is anti-world
anti worlds are pretty much dime in a dozen now

What the duck Nasu.
First I hear of this.

Edit: Yes, I know Higashide wrote Apo but maintaining consistency within the setting (and thus not letting just anyone make broken NP's) is

the eggplant's

his

job.

You know what that feels like? A DM who ran a successful D&D campaign with his homebrew, then let his buddy take over because he loved the setting too but then it turns out his buddy was a 3.5fag.

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How well is Modred compared against the rest of the kotr? I can't really tell how good she is from her performance in apo considering her dependence on CS for her major fights.

Vs Frank. CS to survive her np though Frank is also CS boosted
Vs Sieg(fried). CS to be able to fight evenly
Vs Semiramis. CS and antidote to survive both poison and bashmu

She's an Arturia clone and she has daddy's Mana Burst. Not sure if she also has CGI Dragon mana source, though.

[Altaris]

The fuck are you ranting about lol. Nursery Rhyme and Tamamo already have Anti-World NPs before Semiramis and they were Nasu's creations.

[Deathhappens]

The fuck are you ranting about lol. Nursery Rhyme and Tamamo already have Anti-World NPs before Semiramis and they were Nasu's creations.

Tamamo has a lot of stuff by dint of being a deity. Nursery Rhyme is a walking

World Contradiction

Reality Marble

. Semiramis is...neither.

Although I was talking about the fact that there's apparently a lot more anti-World NP's now,not just hers specifically.

[Menwearpink]

I think you’Re making a bigger deal out of Anti-World than you need to.

[Deathhappens]

I thought that was what this forum is all about.

[castor212]

Its a bad example and one you should not make into a habit tbph

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Although I was talking about the fact that there's apparently a lot more anti-World NP's now,not just hers specifically.

First of all, why would adding one or two more AntiWorld NP make things inconsistent
More Servant being introduced means obviously.more NPs being introduced.

Second of all, not counting CCC's digital NP there's like, 5-10 anti world NP among about like 200-300 of other types of Noble Phantasm

It aint exactly "a lot more" in comparison

[neveron]

(non-CCC) Anti-World Noble Phantasms, in order of appearance:
Fate/Stay Night:
Gilgamesh' Enuma Elish. Rank EX.

Fate/Extra:
Tamamo-no-Mae's Eightfold Blessing. Rank D (EX)
Nursery Rhyme's The Queen's Glass Game. Rank C

Fate/Apocrypha:
Semiramis' Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Rank EX

Fate/Grand Order:
Sherlock Holmes' Elementary, My Dear. Rank B
Altera the Sun(ta)'s Candy Star Photon Ray. Rank EX
Abigail Williams' Qlipoth Rhizome. Rank EX
Fujino Asagami's Vijñaptimātratā. Rank EX
Okita Souji (Alter)'s Decisive Blade. Rank A

I think that's right, anyhow. I might be mixing up some of the FGO event release orders, and can't be arsed to look them up.

In any case, Anti-World clearly doesn't mean that you're destroying the world. Hell, it's pretty clear that "anti-X" in general doesn't necessarily mean that it's opposed to X - it's just a preferred target designation of sorts, what with all the beneficial Anti-Unit NPs out there.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Now that we're on the topic of Noble Phantasms, I want to know, how exactly are the astras of Hindu mythology translated into Nasuverse mechanics? I know they exist because Karna clearly has the Brahmastra Kundala as one of his NPs, but I'm curious if they count as magic spells, since you typically need a chant in mythology to use them, as well as some undefined divine energy, or if they count merely as supernatural projectiles? I'm just curious.