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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Are we still talking about Zenon the Citiaean or are we conflating random Zenons from whenever?
    No, I'm still talking about the paradox guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    No, I'm still talking about the paradox guy.
    No, actually, my bad. Paradox!Zenon was Zenon of Elea. I was thinking of Zenon of Citium, also known as Zenon the Stoic. Different guy.

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    Would the leaders (Zeus, Odin and etc) from their respective pantheons rank above Amaterasu or below?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordep View Post
    Would the leaders (Zeus, Odin and etc) from their respective pantheons rank above Amaterasu or below?
    We have no idea. Amaterasu is more powerful in that she isn't restricted by earth and is cosmic but that doesn't necessarily mean she's stronger then them, just that they work on different concepts which was more important to Sefar then just plain strength. It all depends on concepts, so like say if Mars and Amaterasu were to fight I don't see that well for her because by his nature Mars is good at fighting, that's his thing.

    Plus his kill stat is really scary. What we've seen Altera done with it is just the tip of the iceberg.
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    Fran had low stats because she had a poor master right? Shouldn't having the homunculus to supply energy have made up for that?

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    Nah she's just shitty in general
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Nah she's just shitty in general
    She's got okay stats as Swimsuit Saber.

    In general she's a pretty bad berserker though
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    She's cost efficient and that's normally a really good selling point for Berserkers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    She's cost efficient and that's normally a really good selling point for Berserkers
    I mean, yeah but her low ME means that making her a berserker was probably not that beneficial to her. And with the original plan being "use homunculus batteries" cost efficiency would have been a weird thing to consider when picking out a catalyst.

    Actually, someone remind me, did Caelus know she'd be a Berserker from before summoning?
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    Because she can draw prana from her surroundings right? Causing less strain on the Master?

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    Yeah, he even used the supplementary verse in the summoning incantation that would guarantee that she'd be a Berserker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    I mean, yeah but her low ME means that making her a berserker was probably not that beneficial to her. And with the original plan being "use homunculus batteries" cost efficiency would have been a weird thing to consider when picking out a catalyst.

    Actually, someone remind me, did Caelus know she'd be a Berserker from before summoning?
    Well only one person was going to get the grail even if they were able to beat the Red Team, and the homunculus batteries were Gordes. Depending on your potential future enemy to keep supplying you with magical energy isn't a good plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordep View Post
    Would the leaders (Zeus, Odin and etc) from their respective pantheons rank above Amaterasu or below?
    I would expect them to be equal, but...
    Caenis said that lostbelt Ivan can even win in a brawl with her chief deity, which I think she's referring to Zeus, so Zeus is...not that impressive if you go that way. Tho I would wait for that 12000 BCE lostbelt to see what's up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    It all depends on concepts, so like say if Mars and Amaterasu were to fight I don't see that well for her because by his nature Mars is good at fighting, that's his thing.
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    Amaterasu is an omnipotent goddess who has influences over all fields, basically she has all powers of other gods (due to Ise Shinto faction wank and her being worshipped everywhere together with other gods of other fields). There are games that depict her as a warrior goddess coughSmitecough, and male Amaterasu is a protagonist version of Susanoo.

    Or if you go by Shingon Buddhism. Acala (the Nioh stand in Musashi's NP) is the manifestation of Vairocana that is worship even among the yakuza, whose wrath and destructive nature is similar to Shiva. Also it was said that Vairocana model is actually base on Virochana - the king of the Asuras who is buddy with Indra.

    Syncretism gave Amaterasu literally everything lol. The question is whether Nasu goes through with that, or he's gonna feel bad for the salty gaijins and tone it down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    I mean, yeah but her low ME means that making her a berserker was probably not that beneficial to her. And with the original plan being "use homunculus batteries" cost efficiency would have been a weird thing to consider when picking out a catalyst.

    Actually, someone remind me, did Caelus know she'd be a Berserker from before summoning?
    Considering he knows the catalyst as well as they already figured out the battle plan before even summoning, he should

    And yeah Frank is just a shit Servant in general. In the Great HGW she's basically something you let loose on the battlefield to make noise

    In a normal HGW she's like crap tier, basically will never be able to win the HGW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    I would expect them to be equal, but...
    Caenis said that lostbelt Ivan can even win in a brawl with her chief deity, which I think she's referring to Zeus, so Zeus is...not that impressive if you go that way. Tho I would wait for that 12000 BCE lostbelt to see what's up.
    Really? The god who constantly bragged in "The Illiad" about how he could defeat all Olympians together, and was right?

    Amaterasu is an omnipotent goddess who has influences over all fields, basically she has all powers of other gods (due to Ise Shinto faction wank and her being worshipped everywhere together with other gods of other fields). There are games that depict her as a warrior goddess coughSmitecough, and male Amaterasu is a protagonist version of Susanoo.
    Interesting. But then, wouldn't she have been able to stop Susano-o's rampage over her lands, instead of just hiding away out of anger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    I would expect them to be equal, but...
    Caenis said that lostbelt Ivan can even win in a brawl with her chief deity, which I think she's referring to Zeus, so Zeus is...not that impressive if you go that way. Tho I would wait for that 12000 BCE lostbelt to see what's up.


    Amaterasu is an omnipotent goddess who has influences over all fields, basically she has all powers of other gods (due to Ise Shinto faction wank and her being worshipped everywhere together with other gods of other fields). There are games that depict her as a warrior goddess coughSmitecough, and male Amaterasu is a protagonist version of Susanoo.

    Or if you go by Shingon Buddhism. Acala (the Nioh stand in Musashi's NP) is the manifestation of Vairocana that is worship even among the yakuza, whose wrath and destructive nature is similar to Shiva. Also it was said that Vairocana model is actually base on Virochana - the king of the Asuras who is buddy with Indra.

    Syncretism gave Amaterasu literally everything lol. The question is whether Nasu goes through with that, or he's gonna feel bad for the salty gaijins and tone it down.
    I think she was referring to the main deity of Kirschtaria's team.

    This exaggeration in Amaterasu is extremely annoying, but I understand that they want to privilege the divine spirits of their homeland, especially the Waifu of the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Interesting. But then, wouldn't she have been able to stop Susano-o's rampage over her lands, instead of just hiding away out of anger?
    The Amaterasu in story is already Nigimitama mode, she is (surprisingly) one of the most peaceful goddess in that state and does not want conflicts. Susanoo otoh is still Aramitama mode until he repent himself with his deeds on earth. Once he got to Nigimitama state like his sis, he's considered a very gentle god lol.

    But then again, we have to remember that Nasu is going with syncretism. And Susanoo in syncretism is...a clusterfuck in of himself. Legends behind him are many and some are later rewritten then attributed to other heroes, so you can even say he's the prototype of heroes...in a sense (cough cough). In some stories they don't even consider him a god of heaven but an onigami (demonic god) which is the source of him being syncretized with Sakra, Indra, Daikokuten and Gozu Tennou. He is the embodiment of chaos, violence, storm, sea, earthquake, mountains, thunder and even pestilence but also courage, strength, wealth, food and...kitchen (???) in Nigimitama mode.
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    This exaggeration in Amaterasu is extremely annoying, but I understand that they want to privilege the divine spirits of their homeland, especially the Waifu of the sun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    Considering he knows the catalyst as well as they already figured out the battle plan before even summoning, he should

    And yeah Frank is just a shit Servant in general. In the Great HGW she's basically something you let loose on the battlefield to make noise

    In a normal HGW she's like crap tier, basically will never be able to win the HGW
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