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    I guess when were talking about the classification of an NP, it usually considers the actual objective and target of it instead of just side effects, so to say.
    "I'll try some meaningful quotes"

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    The world isn't actually the target, though. The target is oneself. So complain it isn't anti-personnel.

    The texture of the world also doesn't change, since, you know, the world still exists. It's not like everyone in Fuyuki got transported when Iskandar used IH while fighting cthulu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    The world isn't actually the target, though. The target is oneself. So complain it isn't anti-personnel.

    The texture of the world also doesn't change, since, you know, the world still exists. It's not like everyone in Fuyuki got transported when Iskandar used IH while fighting cthulu.
    Makes sense. However, I am also more confused than when I started. On a semi-related note, are there any Heroic Spirits with Anti-Planet Noble Phantasms?

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    No, just Moon-Cell weirdos like BB and Kiara I think.

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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Probably. I never really understood it either but that's my guess as well.

    probably because it enforces the concept of inversion upon a specific area.

    honestly, just about any mage boundary field that messes with reality even slightly should be classified as anti world
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    It does mean that, but not literally.
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    Literally none of this addresses my complaint. What we see in the story IS all there is of him. A footnote in a side material book saying "oh btw that's totally not his real self" is irrelevant to the way he's presented in the game.
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    Gil was meant to be Type Earth, but it didn't happen due to him rejecting what he was supposed to be or w/e he did.

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    And prelati's illusions that trick the world should be anti-world
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    Wait how is Hanging Gardens anti-world? Is it because the inside is Semi's domain?
    It's because to activate it, you have to target the World so that what was false (Semiramis being the owner of the Hanging Gardens) becomes the truth. For all intents and purposes, Hanging Garden is really a Fortress/Barrier Noble Phantasm in terms of function.

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    More like anti-wallet with how much it takes to make tbh.

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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    nothing makes sense

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    How well is Modred compared against the rest of the kotr? I can't really tell how good she is from her performance in apo considering her dependence on CS for her major fights.

    Vs Frank. CS to survive her np though Frank is also CS boosted
    Vs Sieg(fried). CS to be able to fight evenly
    Vs Semiramis. CS and antidote to survive both poison and bashmu

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    yes hanging gardens is anti-world
    anti worlds are pretty much dime in a dozen now
    What the duck Nasu.
    First I hear of this.

    Edit: Yes, I know Higashide wrote Apo but maintaining consistency within the setting (and thus not letting just anyone make broken NP's) is
    the eggplant's
    his
    job.

    You know what that feels like? A DM who ran a successful D&D campaign with his homebrew, then let his buddy take over because he loved the setting too but then it turns out his buddy was a 3.5fag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BK201 View Post
    How well is Modred compared against the rest of the kotr? I can't really tell how good she is from her performance in apo considering her dependence on CS for her major fights.

    Vs Frank. CS to survive her np though Frank is also CS boosted
    Vs Sieg(fried). CS to be able to fight evenly
    Vs Semiramis. CS and antidote to survive both poison and bashmu
    She's an Arturia clone and she has daddy's Mana Burst. Not sure if she also has CGI Dragon mana source, though.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.

    Once and always and nevermore.

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    The fuck are you ranting about lol. Nursery Rhyme and Tamamo already have Anti-World NPs before Semiramis and they were Nasu's creations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    The fuck are you ranting about lol. Nursery Rhyme and Tamamo already have Anti-World NPs before Semiramis and they were Nasu's creations.
    Tamamo has a lot of stuff by dint of being a deity. Nursery Rhyme is a walking
    World Contradiction
    Reality Marble
    . Semiramis is...neither.

    Although I was talking about the fact that there's apparently a lot more anti-World NP's now,not just hers specifically.
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    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.

    Once and always and nevermore.

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    I think you’Re making a bigger deal out of Anti-World than you need to.

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    I thought that was what this forum is all about.
    Quote Originally Posted by I3uster View Post
    It's like with centaur girls, you're fucking a horse. Sure the human part is the one that moans but your dick is in the horse, no way around it.

    Once and always and nevermore.

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    Its a bad example and one you should not make into a habit tbph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Although I was talking about the fact that there's apparently a lot more anti-World NP's now,not just hers specifically.
    First of all, why would adding one or two more AntiWorld NP make things inconsistent
    More Servant being introduced means obviously.more NPs being introduced.

    Second of all, not counting CCC's digital NP there's like, 5-10 anti world NP among about like 200-300 of other types of Noble Phantasm

    It aint exactly "a lot more" in comparison
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    I dont get it
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    (non-CCC) Anti-World Noble Phantasms, in order of appearance:
    Fate/Stay Night:
    Gilgamesh' Enuma Elish. Rank EX.

    Fate/Extra:
    Tamamo-no-Mae's Eightfold Blessing. Rank D (EX)
    Nursery Rhyme's The Queen's Glass Game. Rank C

    Fate/Apocrypha:
    Semiramis' Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Rank EX

    Fate/Grand Order:
    Sherlock Holmes' Elementary, My Dear. Rank B
    Altera the Sun(ta)'s Candy Star Photon Ray. Rank EX
    Abigail Williams' Qlipoth Rhizome. Rank EX
    Fujino Asagami's Vijñaptimātratā. Rank EX
    Okita Souji (Alter)'s Decisive Blade. Rank A

    I think that's right, anyhow. I might be mixing up some of the FGO event release orders, and can't be arsed to look them up.

    In any case, Anti-World clearly doesn't mean that you're destroying the world. Hell, it's pretty clear that "anti-X" in general doesn't necessarily mean that it's opposed to X - it's just a preferred target designation of sorts, what with all the beneficial Anti-Unit NPs out there.

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    Now that we're on the topic of Noble Phantasms, I want to know, how exactly are the astras of Hindu mythology translated into Nasuverse mechanics? I know they exist because Karna clearly has the Brahmastra Kundala as one of his NPs, but I'm curious if they count as magic spells, since you typically need a chant in mythology to use them, as well as some undefined divine energy, or if they count merely as supernatural projectiles? I'm just curious.

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