Also, do more people have conceptual or elemental Origins? I ask because everyone in KnK has a conceptual Origin, yet Rin and Sakura have elemental type origins, and Shirou has Sword thanks to Avalon.
Also, do more people have conceptual or elemental Origins? I ask because everyone in KnK has a conceptual Origin, yet Rin and Sakura have elemental type origins, and Shirou has Sword thanks to Avalon.
Your mixing the two things up. Elements and Origins are two different thing. Like Kiritsugu Origin is serving and binding, his elements is fire and earth. Another Origin that poped up recently was Holmes. His origin is ElucidationOriginally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
Maybe. What I was really asking was whether everybody had an Origin that referred to a concept or not because I thought Sakura's Origin was Imaginary Numbers, and Rin's Origin was an Imaginary Element. But, I guess my original question has been sort of answered.
That's not what he's saying (EDIT: This was to Iceblade originally, I was just slow in posting). I understand it as him basically saying that the ones that appear in KnK like "worthlessness" or "stillness" are very conceptual in and of themselves (same with Kerry's), whereas Shirou's "sword" is less conceptual and more "just a thing". Like how the former seem to refer to a "state of being" rather.
But then, I don't really think that's fair. They only appear to be "more conceptual" I feel because of awakenings/close to awakenings/origin bullets etc. They actually got a chance to actively act out their effect on something, which isn't really the cast most of the time. But to be honest, so did Shirou's kinda.
And I mean, it's not like every single person in KnK has something that you can immediately class as "conceptual" while saying the opposite about other series' character.
FSN/FZ:
Shirou: Sword (original unknown)
Kerry: Severing and Binding
Sakura: Imaginary Numbers
Rin: Also an imaginary element, probably Hollow?
KnK:
Ryougi: Nothingness
Kirie: Nothingness
Fujinon: Nothingness
Araya: Stillness
Alba: Refutation
Tomoe: Worthlessness
Azaka: Taboo
Kurogiri: Nostalgia
Lio: Consumption
Proto:
Nigel: Obsession
FGO:
Sherlock: Elucidation
Musashi: Zero
So really, they're all pretty "conceptual" in the sense that they're like "guidance in life" which is what they're supposed to be and all, except for Shirou who had his origin externally altered, and then Rin and Sakura are just weird I guess.
Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. Also, what does Musashi's Zero origin even do?
Probably has to do with how Musashi sought "zero" as a state of being or somehting. I don't know really, someone who's more well read on Musashi could probably give you a better connection.
It allows her to be very good with a sword. The concept of Zero is entirely what her sword philosophy is centered on
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
So, something like Mushin no Shin then?
The latter
Actually speaking of origins, I was reminded of this when seeing Shiki, Fujino, and Kirie having the same origin. I vaguely recall Araya saying something like "What I needed were individuals with the same origin as yours, that's why Kirie and Fujino were sacrifices just for you" in the book, but I can't remember if the reasoning behind this is ever brought up (although it's possible I missed it, reading an entire book with pretty half-assed JP skills), or what the reason could possibly be for this. So what is it? Is it just that they, who had the same origins, would have been guided in similar ways through life, and interacting with this would somehow push Shiki closer to her own origin?
Yeah it's a single concept the "official" term is composite origin.
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A tree will have the origin of tree.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Another question I had about origins, do they have their basis in some aspect of eastern myth/culture like a lot of the other metaphysical stuff that appears in the Nasuverse?
It was Sakura with Hollow and Rin with probably Nothing
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IIRC Siriel talked about this in a blog somewhere because the theory of forms ties into both Gil's "I have all prototypes" and the idea of origin. It's not East Asian specific tho.
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You're right, I only remembered just now that Hollow and Imaginary Numbers were the same thing.
Thank you.
O walls, you have held up so much tedious graffiti that I am amazed you have not already collapsed in ruin.
Who?
Jailter
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Thanks!
I'm confused about something: Why is Arturia's ideals considered wrong? Part of her ideals is putting others before yourself, right? So if that's wrong, why is it seen as a positive attribute in most societies? And if there's a detail in this that is only told in the VN, forgive me, but I must have missed that detail. And I will freely admit I freely admit that I think of the idea of putting others before yourself is, at the very least, a noble quality, right?
I'm just confused, okay?
Just look at Shirou
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