Because what you perceive as obvious sounds like wank.
Because what you perceive as obvious sounds like wank.
Are you denying that Shirou gets in sword fights against servants and does much better than he has any right to?Originally Posted by Mizukume
Or that EMIYA is generally better at sword stuff than Shirou?
Yes, when you bring up those out of context to wank.
Why is it wank?
Because the only time Shirou ever defeated a Servant in hand-to-hand combat was against Gilgamesh in UBW, where he had massive conditional modifiers on his side. He only survived Lancer in his house by a combination of sheer dumb luck and Lancer just not putting in enough effort.
I'm not talking about defeating servants, I'm talking about Shirou reacting with servant level capabilities by following his projected weapons. When I use that information to say that EMIYA could do the same thing on a smaller scale and ratio, I am said to be taking things out of context and wanking.
"Servant-level capabilities"? He barely kept up with Kuzuki!
Herc and Gil in the Fate Route?
Not that I'm getting into the debate, but he wasn't tracing stats from any weapon then. Also Shirou improved after fighting Archer.
His fight against Gilgamesh is actually a perfect example of him not being up to Servant level: he's replicating skills, but not strength, speed or stamina. Not only is he forced to go entirely on the defensive (while fighting someone who explicitly isn't a master of hand-to-hand combat), he's being battered because his body can't keep up.
Also, both against Herakles and in the final strike against Gilgamesh in the bridge, Saber was wielding the sword.
Shirou had already been drawing on Archer's skills for quite a while both times he fought Kuzuki.
Last edited by SpoonyViking; April 17th, 2018 at 10:58 AM.
Nope, skill alone doesn't let a normal human block blows from Hercules and Gilgamesh which Shirou does without help from Saber.
The sword blocks the numerous blows smashing madly…!
"…!"
But this is it.
I'm tossed away.
As soon as my consciousness returns, the sword must have left everything in my hands.
I am easily thrown away by the attacks I was easily blocking until now.
It doesn't last long because Shirou is still a human but he is still clearly acting at servant levels.I instantly block the attack swung at me!
"! You!"
I sway my body to the side to avoid the attack.
"!!"
But I'm not fast enough.
If the first attack was a sudden gust, the next barrage of attacks is a raging wind.
"Hakuh, guh…!"
Parrying is all I can do.
No, I wouldn't even have been able to block the first attack by myself.
So the sword reacts to his attacks before my hands do.
I swing to follow the sword, and as a result, I can block his attacks.
Being able to block servant's attacks with help by the sword's experience is not equal to him being servant level when you consider literally every other aspects of a servant's power kit he is missing. But then again I don't know what your definition for servant level is or if you even categorize them like I do, because in my ranking his performance is of low tier (E~D rank) servant, kinda similar to 1 tail Tamamo whose base stats are as weak as a human but can keep up with strong servants for a period of time when fighting defensively.
His criteria is that Shirou and Archer are top tier because they blew up Herk and Gil, and thus could totally own Karna, Ozy, and so on.
Alright let me hand-hold you through basic reasoning.
Can you admit that Shirou can achieve physical feats far exceeding what his body should be capable of?
That is not basic reasoning, that is you trying to lead me into agreeing with your wank. So no I won't answer.
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Ohhhhhhhh...
tldr from this paragraph is that sword memory reaction while semi being dragged with the sword =/= moving as badass or freely as a servant
right?
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but Shirou achieving physical feats far exceeding what his body should be capable of does not necessarily mean Shirou achieving Servant level capabilities tho
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I am trying to gently guide you step by step. If I say something that is incorrect or illogical, feel free to point it out.
Now, is it true that Shirou Emiya, the protagonist of Fate/ Stay Night, has on occasion achieved physical feats far exceeding that of a normal human.
Oh Christ. Not this shit again. Could we skip to the gay pics being spammed, please? I think it was even the exact same people getting involved in the "discussion".
At this point all this EMIYA stuff should just have its own thread tbh, it's so far removed from the question at hand.
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something something history repeats itself
But he hadn't gotten as much skill as he did after fighting Archer, at that point he was just replicating Archer's movements.
Truthfully though I don't see why blocking Servant's attacks wouldn't be considered a Servant level feat. Not Hercules level or anything, but above what some low level Servants could accomplish.
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