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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    A friendly reminder that the holy grail war is a battle royale with the whole "there can be only one" clause.

    There's never going to be a situation where the remaining servants don't come after her.
    (also despite what he was saying to Shirou in UBW I kinda doubt that EMIYA would just let Medea keep suctioning people)
    There is that. We never saw enough of her plan. Maybe she was going for "Suicide, Archer" after Berserker was dealt with. I dunno.
    There would be Lancer, Assassin, Saber and Gilgamesh still left. Gilgamesh is needed because she is not going to kill herself to make the grail.

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    Rage quit over energy maths between 3000 years of history and the planet if I remember right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    I fully expect by the time it comes around we'll either have a TYPE SABER that's even stronger than Arc, or it will be revealed that Arc is actually just Saber's soul sent back in time to be reincarnated as ARCHETYPE EARTH. And that marble phantasm is actually just one of Excalibur's latent powers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riku Noctis View Post
    lol

    Poor Dartz. Grand Order literally killed his chances of seeing Arc in action.
    I wonder what would he think about BAA Nightmare with Arc there trolling people before the ending of part 1.
    I kind of liked his flame wars back in the day. Meh.
    Although I won't be surprised one bit if Arc end up being Arthuria's soul in the en----- *Shot*

    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
    At the risk of sounding like I'm wanking my waifu, could Jeanne resist being blackened by grail mud with MR EX? I'm thinking of how it let her resist Maria the Ripper, though I'm aware AM is definitely a more powerful curse than that.
    Well, Avalon kind of did that in Fate route (I don't know if Saber herself could resist it, but Shirou did and he wasn't even half the magus he became in the other two routes). I know the mud works differently against servants, but a defensive NP can ward it off.

    Maybe it could, but I am not sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    While I don't remember the details, if Gil could resist it, there's at least a chance other Servants could do it too (pretty sure it's implied he didn't just use some NP to do it).
    Not sure if MR would play a part in it, though. Seems more like a force of will/personality thing, otherwise Saber would've had much better odds at resisting as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Gil's ego overcame the curse. Likewise why Command Spells don't work on Gil.
    Gilgamesh resisted it because of rule of cool. He had independent action of A-rank because that was the way to translate his "No one can order the king" attitude. The mud is not the main body of Angra, so he could take it like a champ thru sheer ego. He was corrupted anyway, though.

    His mind is nowhere near what it was in Zero. He is utterly crazy in FSN.

    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    Basically there are three things that can allow a Servant to resist CS

    1) High enough levels of MR
    2) High enough levels of IA
    3) Being Gilgamesh
    He is not immune to it, but can resist a lot if the order is not to his pleasing (actually trying to use a command spell at all would already lessen its effectiveness due to him not liking being ordered by lowlifes. Although a clear order might be too much for him to resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralSword View Post
    Well, Avalon kind of did that in Fate route (I don't know if Saber herself could resist it, but Shirou did and he wasn't even half the magus he became in the other two routes). I know the mud works differently against servants, but a defensive NP can ward it off.
    Saber cannot resist it. We know this for a fact.

    Avalon worked for Saber because you can't curse something that isn't there.

    Gilgamesh resisted it because of rule of cool. He had independent action of A-rank because that was the way to translate his "No one can order the king" attitude.
    IA is just IA, which you get in general for being an Archer. He doesn't have it as a Caster, for instance. IA doesn't really have an affect on whether someone can curse you, it's whether you can operate independently without support.

    The mud is not the main body of Angra, so he could take it like a champ thru sheer ego. He was corrupted anyway, though.
    I don't know what you mean by "main body," especially since Angra literally doesn't have a main body, but that is not the reason he could champ through ego.

    Nor was he corrupted.

    His mind is nowhere near what it was in Zero. He is utterly crazy in FSN.
    Yeah, hanging around modern humans for ten years does that to a person.

    He is not immune to it, but can resist a lot if the order is not to his pleasing (actually trying to use a command spell at all would already lessen its effectiveness due to him not liking being ordered by lowlifes. Although a clear order might be too much for him to resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralSword View Post
    There is that. We never saw enough of her plan. Maybe she was going for "Suicide, Archer" after Berserker was dealt with. I dunno.
    There would be Lancer, Assassin, Saber and Gilgamesh still left. Gilgamesh is needed because she is not going to kill herself to make the grail.
    You only need all seven Servants dead if you want to punch a hole to the Root; if all you want is a "mere" wish-granting device, you can make do with less. Medea fudged a lot of details, but she was being entirely truthful that she could summon the Grail without needing every other Servant to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Not unless you're memeing hardcore.
    please elaborate on this statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafflesiac View Post
    Not unless you're memeing hardcore.
    please elaborate on this statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    please elaborate on this statement
    I'd assume his point is that descriptions of speed feats are so wildly varying, from a human easily being able to keep up to constant light-speed movement, that unless you were trying to put numbers and an "absolute answer" onto a versus case it becomes more of just an arbitrary description to blindly trust in.
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    Honestly unless specific numbers are given you can probably assume hyperbole

    And then if specific numbers are given you can also probably assume hyperbole

    And then that hyperbole will be jokingly referenced in a Q&A

    And then that joke will be turned into fact in two years

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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    It's ok to give Achilles lightspeed, cuz Gil's spaceship is FTL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    It's ok to give Achilles lightspeed, cuz Gil's spaceship is FTL.

    i wonder how many people agree with this

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    i wonder how many people agree with this
    We know Dartz doesn't.




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    Different writers seem to have different views on the speed of Servants (they're way faster in Fragments and Strange Fake than FSN and Zero), but they certainly aren't light speed either way.

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    Achilles' speed is the maximum distance he can see divided by the amount of time it takes him to thrust his spear

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    Achilles can't be that fast, he loses to a tortoise.
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    you don't need to think about it that hard
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    nothing makes sense

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    Just wait for them to release Servant Zeno
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canon View Post
    Just wait for them to release Servant Zeno
    ....wait, can Zeno die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    ....wait, can Zeno die?
    Zeno of Zeno's paradox, were you thinking of dragon ball super?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asunder View Post
    Zeno of Zeno's paradox, were you thinking of dragon ball super?
    Yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas View Post
    ....wait, can Zeno die?
    Not by firing squad at least

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    Even if you managed to execute him, he would probably at least manage to bite off some of your fingers. Dude was hardcore. (At least if you believe Laertius)

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