it doesn'tOriginally Posted by CrazyLich79
being in the land gives you a fame boost, and since the fuyuki hgw is in fuyuki well
it doesn't
being in the land gives you a fame boost, and since the fuyuki hgw is in fuyuki well
Oh! Ok, thanks.
It does.
Look at Artoria under Kerry.
Also it isn't like Apo Vlad suddenly changes into Extra Vlad the moment he leaves the land. It's a container thing.
They were also planning to summon Jack in London in ApoAs to why. It's not like you can just walk up to a leyline in some fitting place and expect the second owner to just let you use it.
But then we have Herk who's noted to be stronger in Europe, as well as the drop in power from Vlad when entering the Gardens
so I dunno about that Chief
also isnt Rin!Artoria comparable to Kerry!Artoria
Fortresses that existed as Noble Phantasms, according to the knowledge that Ruler immediately dragged out, were limited to those like the one possessed by Ireland’s Child of Light. And even that was restricted to the borders of his homeland.Seems like if you summon in the homeland you'll keep that version of the Saint Graph but you won't get all the boosts when you go into another cultural sphere.
So what they were trying to do with Jack was get the strongest possible Jack and then hope coming to Romania didn't nerf him too hard.
Another example of what Zurvan is talking about is how Jeanne was summoned in France in Apo and statwise she's no different from the Moon Cell Jeanne. You would expect ApoJeanne to have bitchin stats if you kept your stats from where you were summoned.
Also Vlad is pretty bad example as Apo Vlad and Extra Vlad are different aspects entirely.
In that bold line there's enough wiggle room to say you can summon Apo Vlad if you're really compatible with him.Outside of the light novels, he also appears in Fate/EXTRA. This version of him is a fanatic knight whose appearance, weapons and words are different from the one in these novels, with his aspect as a man who loves his wife emphasized.
In the light novels, he was summoned with his aspect as a monarch emphasized. The fact that he was summoned in his homeland of Romania greatly contributes to this. Thanks to his fame bonus, his parameter ranks are higher compared to when he is summoned in other countries. In addition, he manifested as a Servant with extraordinary power due to his skill “Demonic Defender of the State.”
But even with that, he was gradually cornered by the collective attacks of the “Red” camp and stepped into a place where he couldn’t receive the benefits of his fame in order to retrieve the stolen Greater Grail.
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She can't. That's why she's sad.
Last edited by You; March 24th, 2019 at 06:08 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I thought Rin!Artoria was better than Kerry!Artoria because the latter had lower Luck and less ME in general.
Also, so it is established that if you summon a Servant in their homeland, they get the extra NPs and fame boost, but those don't transfer over to another land. The only way that's the case is if you summon a specific aspect in that land that wouldn't be summoned elsewhere?
Its a matter of whether said hero even has such aspects in different lands, like with vlad, but something like that
Do our dialouge choices in FGO affect the gameplay?
Bit of column A and bit of column B from my understanding. The perception in-universe seems to at least be that summoning in the home zone does something.
At the same time, you've got cases like Herc and Jeanne where they're summoned in what could definitely be considered a culture sphere they'd get big boy boosts in, and aren't any different from their versions in other works. You also have the Apo bit You posted, which says that Cu's castle would be restricted to Ireland, but CM3 which says that the conditions for gaining all his stuff is being summoned in Ireland, rather than fighting in Ireland.
The Kerry/Rin bit that was mentioned earlier is probably because Kerry!Saber's CON and Riding are A, and both are B in every other case (Rin, GO, Moon Cell, Shirou), with CON actually being C for Shirou. But then, we have:
So you'd think that her stats under Rin would be her 'cap'. If that's the case, then it shouldn't be possible for Kerry to have broken that cap and have Seiba walking around with A rank CON. Sure, his personality reallocates stuff like making LCK into the dump stat, but it seems weird to say that something like that's also able to break past Seiba's standard limits.
Between that and the understanding people seem to have about summoning in the hometown, it seems like it does something, but it also seems like it's not the same as actually having the war in that hometown. You don't have the Black Team in Apo trying to get all of their Servants summoned in their staging grounds, after all.
So, if you're a magus and have a specific Servant you want to summon, you'd need to procure the catalyst, find some nice-looking spiritual land in their culture sphere, get over there, do the summoning, and then sneak yourself and your Servant over to Fuyuki, all for a boost that could be anywhere from nonexistent to pretty middling. That seems like a lot of work that you could better spend doing some other sort of prep, generally.
If you already have spiritual land in another place, like the Einzberns, and decide to go for it because it's virtually no-cost to you, then that tradeoff starts making a lot more sense.
Like You said, it seems like the summoning determines the spiritual foundation, like the cap on stats and what NPs you can theoretically access and all that, and then that's corroborated with where you are currently. So, for instance, I'd think that if you summoned Cu in Japan and flew him to Ireland, he might not be able to use the castle, since the spiritual foundation just doesn't have that stuff in it, as opposed to if he got a Japan summon. But, it could be that summoning him in Ireland and flying him to Japan doesn't change much, if anything, from just summoning him in Japan.
So yeah, little of column A and little of column B, is how I see it.
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Only in Babylonia, and only a few of them.
Pretty sure there’s at least a few times in the lostbelts where your choice determines whether you get the easy battle or the bullshit battle
Summoning a servant in their homeland gives you a higher ascension but Level is affected by master and LOCAL popularity
"Grain" is True Ether, right?
How can Grain be True Ether if True Ether is its antithesis???
May be another inconsistency cuz this says they're the same:
Introduction: Knight Arm Slash Emperor
The Knight Arm that Ado Edem possesses. The sword that consumes planets.
It is a simple Knight Arm that is able to grow according to the size of its opponent.
The seed that Edem holds in his hand sprouts and grows at the speed of his thoughts.
However, with regards to this sword’s use of True Ether (Grain), it requires huge quantities to manifest itself, and needs an enormous convertible energy source.
I mean, there is a possibility that True Ether mentioned in Notes might not be the same as True Ether of the Age of Gods in other works.
Oops, thought this was the NA thread for a moment.
There would have been a clarification if they weren't the same. True Ether is the thing which makes up celestial bodies and the Ultimate Ones have the greatest amount of True Ether in their bodies cuz they're the closest to their planets, it makes sense if you ignore the inconsistency with Black Barrel.
Gin is ether, but 架空. Fifth imqginary element.
Longinus, gin's anti thesis, is 真説. Fifth true element.
What longinus is made up for (most likely) is not ether and AFAIK was never really axtually called as ether.
If youre definition of true ether is aog ether, you can argue that there are similarities between gin and aog ether (it made up the body of higher beings, etc) but thats not to say gin is 100% = aog ether.
Imo it isnt 100 percent same because true aog ether is supposedly really truly loss from our hands as modern peeps, and theres definitely meaning in calling it gin instead of just ether in land of steel but who knows.
Tldr ether is a banana.
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So fpr further clarification wait until Sion upgraded Mash's shield, or smtg.
Last edited by castor212; March 25th, 2019 at 01:29 PM.
Like Castor said Gin is 架空. True Ether that made up the body of the gods as mentioned in Babylonia is 真説, which is the same thing as what made Black Barrel. So they are different. They are just called by the same term.
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