I can definitely agree with the first part.Originally Posted by Zurvan
I can definitely agree with the first part.
Sakura can use absorption with her imaginary numbers though.
Attributes are supposed to be adjectives to an element's noun. So any element should be able to use a type of absorption. The Matou magecraft just happens to use Water absorption.
Although as with everything there's probably going to be exceptions somewhere.
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Even reality marbles are based on the world egg theory.
Nigel did make his own foundation but he made it have babies with alchemy.
I'm not sure that you can have "personal magecraft" unless it's just throwing magical energy or dying something in magical energy to make a floating book or w/e.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Everyone looks much prettier after a beer or three though!
Anyway, I apologise if it seemed like I was disregarding your answer, Mizukume. I even said I thanked you for your effort, though I suspect you took that as sarcasm. But the plain truth is you were not answering the questions I asked. Mcjon, Pine, and Weeblord did. (Which I should also have thanked you guys for, I forgot). You got really hostile (as you tend to do) for basically no reason.
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shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
So what’s the deal with this? Is it the capital O origin or just paraphrasing what You said?Rin realizes that the attacks are not from the black shadow, but a magic Sakura possesses. That magic of Matou is to bind others. But Sakura is originally from the Tohsaka familya shadow-user with an origin of the imaginary element, the imaginary number. Matou Sakura is able to embody the black shadow to that degree because she has both of those attributes!
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It's capital O origin, yes.
I think he might be referring to this?
Death I’m really frustrated by the fact that I started reading your post and it seemed to be burying the hachet and the last part appeared to be a passive aggressive little dig in apparent attempt to get under his skin.
She is a shadow user. Her shadow is the medium, Imaginary Numbers is the means by which the medium is expressed.
Now how absorption/binding works with all that sometimes seems complicated. Like, it seems she can hp/mp drain ala Omega Red by fashioning her shadow as a spear like tendril or just use it as a draining carpet by expanding the shadow that looks at her feet outwards, if she doesn't open a void and take people out or incase them that way.
The holodeck stuff inside the void I can't explain. Maybe the grail, maybe not.
it's origin as in the soul magnet.
Sakura's like shirou in that her origin and her element are the same thing
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That's typical imaginary numbers stuff.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Huh. But if that's the case, aren't Imaginary Numbers users like getting on Washu level to just create another dimension with alternative time flow and just make whatever you want occur.
For researchers like magi, people who can just make what amounts to a simulation machine should be useful. Because most bounded barriers don't seem to do that unless you're like Medea and you said it's just part of the what you get from the start, not a learned ability.
I did try to make a reconciliatory effort, but let there be no mistake: I neither started nor perpetuated a war, so I have no hatchet to bury. All I did was clarify my stance in things. I do think Mizu has a bad habit of going off on people and I do believe they need to be made aware of it. It's not a dig, it's advice.That said, edited.double EDIT: Heck, I'll accept the blame for responding badly. I shouldn't have done that. But that's that, and this's this.
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shit BL says
Once and always and nevermore.
I mean I doubt that a normal Magus could do things on the scale of Darkura since they wouldn't be running on Grail Steroids.
No I get that, but You said it was typical. And unlike having a metric like Shirou does for his abilities, we only know 1000 magical energy are used for 1 Shadow Giant (Grande sized).
The scale is different, but the principle is the same.
Someone like BB is doing to same thing as Sakura while making a gigantic labyrinth
Whereas say Lev makes a tiny pocket to squirrel away some equipment.
The creation of a pocket dimension is considered basic for those with imaginary numbers. That dimension, because it's imaginary number space, being unaffected by time and space is just a byproduct of the element.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Sounds about right then, but as usual, I only get more questions than answers.
Are people born with this only allowed a certain amount of space, or can that be overcome by donating more magical energy.
But what you said implies (correct me if I am wrong) that it's not just the size, but also the application of this space that differs between users.
BB probably isn't a good example to use given she sets her own parameters. Lev was a better one, since that sounds like what I originally heard it was for, storage and archiving. Sakura is all over the place, given you have examples of people being put inside (Rin in Femme Fatale or Hollow, and Rider, and I guess Shirou walking for hours in that space in one bad end), and moving via using the space as the entry and exit of a transport ability.
Well, imaginary number space is dimensionless. The actual dimension is limitless, but the hole that you can make or how much you can control probably depends on your magical energy,
As for the moving via the imaginary number space, that's talked about in Cosmos in the Lostbelt.
oh yeah the time temple is imaginary number space tooHolmes:
Indeed. Originally, there should be no objects existing within Imaginary Numbers space, other than things with the Imaginary Numbers trait. However, there is an exception.
That would be us, who are aboard the Paper Moon-equipped Imaginary Numbers Submarine, the Shadow Border.
In other words---
Mashu:
It’s an existence that can undergo an Imaginary Numbers dive, just like we are…?
Last edited by You; February 20th, 2019 at 09:46 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
What about Tiamat? Wasn't she sealed in Imaginary Numbers' space?
YupPretty insane that in 2010 we knew nothing about imaginary numbersand now almost a decade later we know a lot lot more
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
So does it ever state what happens to the reverse in timelines like Tsuki no Sango or Notes?
I never go off on people for no reason, it is only when their replies, to my impression contain passive aggressive arrogance, just like Tobias said. On the internet there is no way to tell the full intention of the person compare to when you actually speak to others in person. Just yesterday one guy on reddit went into my translation topic about Andersen evaluating Extra servants asking for Gil's scene when I literally already stated at the beginning of the topic that it was already translated before thus I won't repost. I went off on the guy for not reading before asking, due to them adding "you forgot Gil". He might not have meant to say "hey dude you forgot Gil existed", but I have no way to know and I thought he was being an ass with that sort of reply. Wording is important, one particular word or phrase can give different impressions. Only later on I apologized for going off on him.
I do get aggressive, I said this multiple times b4, there's no need to "make me aware", I don't need your favor so put that back in your pocket. Even right now as you "apologize", I see no sincere from it but yet another attempt to shift the blame. Maybe I'm wrong and you are actually being sincere when you wrote those words, which I would definitely apologize for my misunderstanding if I knew it to be the case for sure. But again, this is the internet, there is no way to tell and I have no reason to trust that everyone is actually being nice.
Let this be the last post on the matter.
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