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    so I'm wondering would age of god magecraft be weaker in its time period to modern magecraft since everyone knew it existed therefor weakening its mystery or did there magecraft not rely on the idea of mystery?

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    I'll probably play or watch Extella eventually, but is there any list of what fights between Servants canonically happen and what their outcomes are?

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    Extella is all about the parallel worlds. So everything in it happens.
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    I know. When I say "canonically," I mean not gameplay mechanics and we know who was fighting who and how it went down. That's what I'm asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    I know. When I say "canonically," I mean not gameplay mechanics and we know who was fighting who and how it went down. That's what I'm asking.
    Artoria beat a couple of tag teams in hers.

    Cu and Medusa

    Tamamo and Lu Bu

    Gil and Alex
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    She doesn’t kill them though. IIRC the mooncell summoned her due to being a rare extremely high level servant that could handle herself against multiple other high level servants. It sent her to areas where the fighting was thickest with orders to deal enough damage that the opposing generals would withdraw. So by getting into fights and proving she was big and scary and then knocking folks around, she delayed the plan of having the two armies weaken each other, preserving combat strength for the avatar of the velspar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    Artoria beat a couple of tag teams in hers.

    Cu and Medusa

    Tamamo and Lu Bu

    Gil and Alex
    I don't know about Lu and Tamamo but her soloing either of the other two makes no sense.

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    Saber is stronger then people give her credit for these days.

    oh, speaking of lu, he is roughly on par, if slightly weaker, then Gawain under the sun. That was an explicit plot point during one match.
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    Well I don't know how much credit people give her, but she still has no excuse to solo Cu and Medusa or even beat Gilgamesh alone unless she had Avalon and unlimited mana (even then Gilgamesh probably has weapons that could hurt her). Same with Lu Bu if he's that powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    I don't know about Lu and Tamamo but her soloing either of the other two makes no sense.
    She has Moon Cell backup and no magical energy issues so she can shoot Excalipointers and such without issue.

    Probably one of the few situations where I wouldn't call her a shitter.
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    Neither cu nor Medusa have an answer for Excalibur and the last time saber fought gil she killed him.
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    To be fair the time before that he wrecked her and the time before that he wrecked her again.
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    That said Gil did overpower her in his Extella substory so really it's just hammering in the fact that powerlevels are bullshit and that what truly matters is whether you're the MC or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Neither cu nor Medusa have an answer for Excalibur and the last time saber fought gil she killed him.
    They can just attack her if she tries to charge. Logically Gae Bolg would make it so she materializes at the moment it hits. Although she could feasibly win with Avalon and Moon Cell backing. Did she have Avalon? If not I'm still inclined to call bullshit but I guess it's mildly believable.

    Are those the only fights we know the outcomes to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    I know. When I say "canonically," I mean not gameplay mechanics and we know who was fighting who and how it went down. That's what I'm asking.
    But you can't throw gameplay mechanic out in this case since everything is canon, everything happened cuz parallel worlds being the main point of the story and gameplay stuffs is tied to the story lol. We have Install Skill system where you loot skills from mobs and mod your servant circuits with it, then Moon Crunch, Moon Drive being an important mechanic that is story related as well, there's no way you can scrap all of that. All servants who don't have anti-army NPs get anti-army element added to their NPs, making Li Shuwen nuking thousands of mooks with a kungfu punch.

    Basically other than Elizabeth's dream, every other fights including those in the main + sub stories happened, although some of them are pruned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8000 View Post
    They can just attack her if she tries to charge. Logically Gae Bolg would make it so she materializes at the moment it hits. Although she could feasibly win with Avalon and Moon Cell backing. Did she have Avalon? If not I'm still inclined to call bullshit but I guess it's mildly believable.

    Are those the only fights we know the outcomes to?
    if were going by side story. also those that says I think I'm not a hundred percent positive on them.

    Cu.
    -Liz
    -Medusa
    -Jeanne

    Li
    -Liz
    -Lu Bu
    -Iskandar

    Gawain
    -Liz
    -Tamamo I think?
    -Iskandar
    -Artoria

    Emiya
    -Medusa
    -Jeanne
    -Iskandar I think
    -Artoria

    Medusa
    -Li
    -Emiya
    -Gil I think, maybe

    Lu Bu
    -Li
    - Emiya, I think
    -Gil I think

    Karna
    -Li
    -Jeanne
    -Gil or Altera, don't remember

    Iskandar
    -Cu
    -Gawain
    -Karna

    Jeanne
    Tamamo I think?
    I forgot the rest of her fights

    Gil
    -Cu
    -Gawain
    -Nero I think?
    -Artoria

    this is all from my memory at least, and that's ignoring all the main story fights.
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    One fight i absolutely believe to be canon is how LuBu-san is as almost as strong as sun buffed Gawain because it happens in like, all timeline consistently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gally View Post
    didnt find one for enforcer but

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    might be just a one time thing, but i wanted to make sure
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    That's exaggerating my point.

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    Thanks. So the Servants beat everyone listed below them? I'm trying to figure out how useful the information from Extella would be in versus discussions but it doesn't seem like it would be much. Too many of those fights don't make sense.

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    I think the point of the Extella fights that battles between Servants isn't as predetermined that we would like, and is far more circumstantial. even if one Servant were to beat the other in story, but when it's the other Servants story the table is flipped. So yeah fights here are definetly a case by case basis.
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