Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Zurvan]

Find out in chapter 5

[Dullahan]

knowing 'how they work' doesn't gain you anything.

[castor212]

RAFO

[Deathhappens]

More accurarely I'm still stuck trying to understand where Nasu draws the line between parallel worlds and alternate timelines, and the Lostbelts are the sticking point because they're both yet they somehow coexist on the same planet like a chronospatial spaghetti bowl.

E:
Up to Extella it was relatively clear, all the different VN routes/alternate timelines were on paralell worlds. Tsukihime and KnK and Extra were also different "series" of parallel worlds, with much more pronounced differences between them. So far so good. But then Extella introduced the concept of Quantum Time Locks that somehow "choose" some parallel worlds to continue existing and somehow unexist all the rest (and it's not that they, whoever "they" are, stop observing them, they literally prune them somehow). Which should require infinite energy and infinite time, but whatever, Moon Cell stronk. Then CitL happens and as I said shit goes sideways.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

They don't normally exist on the same planet you know.

[Kotonoha]

More accurarely I'm still stuck trying to understand where Nasu draws the line between parallel worlds and alternate timelines, and the Lostbelts are the sticking point because they're both yet they somehow coexist on the same planet like a chronospatial spaghetti bowl.

E:
Up to Extella it was relatively clear, all the different VN routes/alternate timelines were on paralell worlds. Tsukihime and KnK and Extra were also different "series" of parallel worlds, with much more pronounced differences between them. So far so good. But then Extella introduced the concept of Quantum Time Locks that somehow "choose" some parallel worlds to continue existing and somehow unexist all the rest (and it's not that they, whoever "they" are, stop observing them, they literally prune them somehow). Which should require infinite energy and infinite time, but whatever, Moon Cell stronk. Then CitL happens and as I said shit goes sideways.

The moon cell doesn't control QTLs.

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Also VN routes were never said to be parallel worlds and were explicitly denied to be such in FSN's case.

[fumei]

More accurarely I'm still stuck trying to understand where Nasu draws the line between parallel worlds and alternate timelines, and the Lostbelts are the sticking point because they're both yet they somehow coexist on the same planet like a chronospatial spaghetti bowl.

E:
Up to Extella it was relatively clear, all the different VN routes/alternate timelines were on paralell worlds. Tsukihime and KnK and Extra were also different "series" of parallel worlds, with much more pronounced differences between them. So far so good. But then Extella introduced the concept of Quantum Time Locks that somehow "choose" some parallel worlds to continue existing and somehow unexist all the rest (and it's not that they, whoever "they" are, stop observing them, they literally prune them somehow). Which should require infinite energy and infinite time, but whatever, Moon Cell stronk. Then CitL happens and as I said shit goes sideways.

This is completely backwards to how it actually works.

[Deathhappens]

The moon cell doesn't control QTLs.

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Also VN routes were never said to be parallel worlds and were explicitly denied to be such in FSN's case.

What are they then?

This is completely backwards to how it actually works.

Do explain if you have a better model.

[Zurvan]

Well your first mistake is thinking the the mooncell does anything other than recording in regards to the past

[Arashi_Leonhart]

What are they then?

Possibilities.

Do explain if you have a better model.

Literally explained that pruning occurs to conserve energy.

[fumei]

Do explain if you have a better model.

The universe expends energy to keep any timeline/world going.
Some worlds aren't worth to keep sustained because the universe only holds a finite amount of energy.
Whatever observer culls the timeline, which frees up the energy allocated to that timeline/world.

Ergo, pruning is a means of observing energy, and is done by cutting the flow of energy to a timeline/world, not spending it.

[You]

Also VN routes were never said to be parallel worlds and were explicitly denied to be such in FSN's case.

It's more muddled than that

Q: Are the three routes of Fate/stay night parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious about how it would look to Zelretch.
A: They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.

but you know with this answer HF would be the true route because Zelretch came running.

[SpoonyViking]

Basically, all three of them could take place, but only one does take place because otherwise all the choices in the story would be rendered meaningless.
(I choose to ignore how, from a thematic standpoint, Heaven's Feel should be the definitive route just because UBW is clearly the best of all three.)

[Kotonoha]

FSN routes exist as a quantum superposition where they are all true at the same time until observed by

the reader

Zelretch

[Reign]

Schrödinger's Shirou?

[Deathhappens]

The universe expends energy to keep any timeline/world going.
Some worlds aren't worth to keep sustained because the universe only holds a finite amount of energy.
Whatever observer culls the timeline, which frees up the energy allocated to that timeline/world.

Ergo, pruning is a means of observing energy, and is done by cutting the flow of energy to a timeline/world, not spending it.

That's a new one, but it does makes sense. Is it explained why the universe (or rather multiverse, since it contains multiple universes) has to expend energy for them to exist? Are we breaking the first law of thermodynamics? Or is it one of those "don't think about it too hard" things?

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Possibilities.



Literally explained that pruning occurs to conserve energy.

Literally the first time anyone's brought that up to me, but okay.

We don't actually know who decides or how, do we? And it's clearly not the Moon Cell either.

[Tobias]

Essentially what nasu is trying to say is whatever route you like is the real one. But you shouldn’t console yourself about whatever was lost along the way with the other routes.

So hypodthocally of someone’s favorite heroine was saber, and so wanted fate rout to be true, it would be.

however that same person shouldn’t, in nasu’s view, say well it’s fine that sakura wasn’t helped in fate since she was in HF, because HF never happens so sakura was never saved.

[neveron]

It's more muddled than that

but you know with this answer HF would be the true route because Zelretch came running.

I wonder, that answer reminds me of what Zelretch said in Strange/Fake about not wanting to mess about too much with the Kaleidoscope because then he'd lock the world into one possible future or... whatever it was, I don't remember the exact quote.

Does he forcibly trim the tree of time or something? I guess it's probably just a quantum superposition observer effect reference, but huh.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Essentially what nasu is trying to say is whatever route you like is the real one. But you shouldn’t console yourself about whatever was lost along the way with the other routes.

So hypodthocally of someone’s favorite heroine was saber, and so wanted fate rout to be true, it would be.

however that same person shouldn’t, in nasu’s view, say well it’s fine that sakura wasn’t helped in fate since she was in HF, because HF never happens so sakura was never saved.

Did Nasu also say that there were multiple other possibilities not covered by FSN? I thought he did, and I really hope that's the case because then hypothetically, there'd be a possible mixed UBW x HF scenario, which I'd really want.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Literally the first time anyone's brought that up to me, but okay.

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