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[castor212]

Actually i think theyre all different things.

As in aog ether is not gin is not longinus
真エーテル is not 架空 is not 真説

I think 真エーテル made up old gods, declined and then its just ether by association definition, and then ??? blew up and later on its gin?

Reasonably sure that you cant call gin true aog ether.

But really who knows

Ether is weird

[BeastXxx]

There's no need to complicate it like that. True Ether=Grain is the substance of celestial bodies and that's why Ultimate Ones, apex of a planet's system have the greatest amount of True Ether. Gods are also part of the planet's system and that's why they're made of True Ether even though it's a lower amount compared to Ultimate Ones.

[Lily Emilio]

You just completely ignored my last post did you? True Ether that made the gods was stated to be 真説 element, the same element that made Black Barrel. Gin in Notes is 架空 element. And 架空 element is AoM Ether in Fate. Stop with the headcanons.

[castor212]

Its complicated because it is complicated

Yes Ultimate Ones is said to have high amount of Gin
No Ultimate Ones was never said to be made up of true ether

Gods (or at least their bod) is made up of true ether back in aog

But grain was defined as ether, not true ether

And true ether had already gone poof way back before.modern times.

Its a lot of ????? vague facts.

Its complicated.

[BeastXxx]

I mean why the heck would there be a difference between the substance of celestial bodies? The True Ether that makes up gods is the thing which makes up all celestial bodies and Types. There shouldn't be any differences. True Ether=Grain is the most logical assumption considering they're said to be the same in Slash Emperor entry.

[Lily Emilio]

TYPES ARE NOT MADE OUT OF TRUE ETHER. Their bodies simply contains a bunch of Gin, and Gin is the umbrella term for Ether, Space Dust, True Ether in Notes. In case you still didn't get it, their bodies might contain just 1 of these 3 shits, 2 of these 3 shits, or all 3. And base on the fact that Gin (in the context of talking about Types) was referred to as the 架空 element, it is pretty much used to refer to Ether. And then when it comes to Ado, it is being used in the context of referring to True Ether. And in case you want to refer to space dust you can also use Gin too.

[castor212]

Hold up.

Types arent gods.

[castor212]

From babylonia

The mana of the common era is known as ether, the fifth imaginary element. It is artificial magical energy.
Before the common era, when human civilization was yet undeveloped, magical energy was known by another name.
True ether. The power that births planets. That which composes heavenly bodies. The fifth theoretical element.
This true ether is the very fountainhead that brings gods into existence.

You know,.im starting to think that gin as we know it is just really poorly defined

[Lily Emilio]

I mean, when it is a term that refers to 3 different things...yeah.

[castor212]

Anw true ether is definitely Longinus

Longinus is, as per Notes, crafted by mineral that counters all Gin.

Speaking of Gin, normal people on Land of Stesl can have Gin inside their bod too. Which is why Gungod is the only one who can touch Black Barrel.

So my point is that from this, while theyre both called celestial body, Types and ancient gods are probably very different.

[BeastXxx]

Geh, we should wait for info on Black Barrel in GO.


Anyways, wiki says Regret is one of the evils of humanity,is this true? Cuz


Tamamo no Mae


Talents: Regret

[Lily Emilio]

Pretty sure her talent is Serious Breaker.

And it was King Hassan who mentioned the Regret.

[BeastXxx]

Talent=Regret is in Extella mats. Please don't tell me this is another X-Seed derp.

[Lily Emilio]

Talent=Regret is in Extella mats. Please don't tell me this is another X-Seed derp.

Serious Breaker was her talent in Extra and CCC. In Extella it's 大反省 (great remorse/great regret/great self reflection). King Hassan said 慚愧 (feel ashamed).

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One can say that feeling ashamed is maybe sorta regret? But I doubt these 2 are related, at least not yet. No doubt Tamamo has Beast potential tho.

[asterism42]

We don't know, IIRC, if Tamamo is Beast V, and if V is the Beast of regret (or shame or whatever it is)

Assuming Kama is III/L, that leaves two and a half Beasts we know basically nothing about, other than one of them is (probably) Gold Fox Tails, and the half is (probably) Nero.

[SolarCorona]

This is something that I've always been curious about, but never saw the need to really figure out.

What even IS a Spirit Origin? And by extension, what are Saint Graphs?

[pinetree]

This is something that I've always been curious about, but never saw the need to really figure out.

What even IS a Spirit Origin? And by extension, what are Saint Graphs?

Spirit Origin and Saint Graph are synonyms.
Also, quoting answers from the last time this question was asked.

i call it atomic structure, spiritual version

As the others said, it's their body, or the container rather. If everything that makes up the servant (history, NPs, other soul-stuff) is the water, then the saint graph is the cup which holds it.
And just like a regular cup, these saint graphs can vary greatly depending on whose it is and if it's been modified or whatever, but its base function will always remain to be that of a cup.

(paraphrased explanation courtesy of You whose post I can't find atm)

That cup analogy isn't right or at least outdated now we know more.
Because your saint graph holds information like memories.

So first of all Saint Graph is a general term.
Pretty much everything has a Saint Graph, be it the spirit of a dead dog, to Elementals, to Servants, to Divine Spirits, to Beasts.
And what it is, is more what castor said like an atomic structure but with other stuff added in too, including memories.
Because when you analyze and save a Saint Graph so it can be summoned, the Servant you summon ends up retaining their memories.
So it might be better to say a Saint Graph or rather the scan of a Saint Graph is like a current incarnation, a save state in an emulator rather than a save file.
For example Iskander in Extella would have a mildly different Saint Graph than Iskander from Zero. But they would still both have a Isakander Saint Graph.

I don't think things have changed since then.

[madarra]

Saint Graphs are what was refered to as Spiritual Core in FSN, right?

[castor212]

Uh what

[Mcjon01]

Saint Graphs are what was refered to as Spiritual Core in FSN, right?

Nah that’s different
In body terms the spirit core is a vital organ and the spirit origin is the DNA