Questions, questions and more questions (READ THE OP FOR ANSWERS)

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Even an angry person would be confused if they think someone they want to smash is one place rather than another, or they're seeing things that aren't there, or are put back in a place where their beloved creator calls them a monster.

[castor212]

Makes sense. Now that I think about it, Lancelot seeing Artoria is a mental interference of sorts to.

That make Berserk a much better skill than I initially thought how it is.

[8000]

It probably depends on the nature of the mental interference.

[Iceblade44]

Makes sense. Now that I think about it, Lancelot seeing Artoria is a mental interference of sorts to.

That make Berserk a much better skill than I initially thought how it is.

That doesn't exactly match up. Mental Pollution gives Mental interference resistance but Gilles suffer what Lancelot has for Jeanne.

[castor212]

mental pollution gives a probability to shut out mental interference magic

not necessarily outer factor mental interference

plus gilles' reaction probably counts as mental pollution itself jackingup

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anw i suppose in bravery mental interference literally got the "no u" treatment, while without it it still affect ME owners, albeit in may be different ways than normally

[You]

But how would a mental interference affect a Berserker to begin with? Say, a confusion spell. In what way it would affect Herc's action?

Depends on the rank of the ME and the mental interference in question
Like Shakespeare getting Frankenstein up messed up Fran

[Laserman]

Do mental attacks just bypass Magic Resistance?

[You]

Do mental attacks just bypass Magic Resistance?

Depends on the mental attack because not all mental attacks are magecraft

[castor212]

Hmm
What about on peeps described to got MEed into machinelike

Like LuBu

[You]

Hmm
What about on peeps described to got MEed into machinelike

Like LuBu

sure
but there's always going to be an exception

[Laserman]

Depends on the mental attack because not all mental attacks are magecraft

Is First Folio magecraft?

[castor212]

sure
but there's always going to be an exception

I suppose peeps like LuBu mostly only be losing the extra melee damage then

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Is First Folio magecraft?

Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR

[asterism42]

Is First Folio magecraft?

Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR

It hits Jeanne who has EX Magic Resistance

[castor212]

yeah

maybe not even EX is an exception for magic that has reached NP level
maybe

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actually now that i take a second look the only thing assuredly to be a "magic" is King's Men
First Folio probably is more concept turned NP but not magic

[Laserman]

Most of the time magic that get to NP level bypasses MR

It hits Jeanne who has EX Magic Resistance

Yeah, that's why I asked in the first place. Ruler has Magic Resistance EX, so I was wondering how First Folio affected her.

yeah

maybe not even EX is an exception for magic that has reached NP level
maybe

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actually now that i take a second look the only thing assuredly to be a "magic" is King's Men
First Folio probably is more concept turned NP but not magic

Like I looked in to this before asking, and it never occurred to me that First Folio just might not be magecraft at all lol. Thanks.

[Trubo]

Are you saying that EMIYA is less SWORDS than Shirou?

Emiya isn't trying to heal his wounds by swording his body.

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Why doesn't EMIYA just use the memories of a weapon from Gil's vault? By accessing that history he should be able to enter the vault like the weapon and steal everything. Really makes u think

Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.

[SpoonyViking]

Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.

I'm guessing Sesto was joking.

Anyway, as much as I can appreciate some good Archer wankery (wink wink nudge nudge), this whole discussion is kind of pointless. If doing what Shirou did with Nine Lives Blade Works was something which Archer could do easily or regularly, he'd have used it at some point in the novel, and yet he doesn't, not even when it seemingly would help his plans (such as, for instance, defeating Cú Chulainn instead of just barely surviving the thrown version of Gáe Bolg). The one time he could have done so without the reader being aware is when he fights Herakles in the Fate route - a fight which he entered knowing he was going to die.

Plus, it's possible the degraded techniques just aren't that useful. Nine Lives Blade Works only worked because Herakles himself was more dead than alive thanks to the Grail corruption, and even then, he basically threw out the fight because of Illya.

[forumghost]

Because, at best, he'd have whatever technique Gil had with the weapon. Probably better than his own, but Gil's technique isn't that of a master's.

So.... flying forward like a Projectile?

[Asunder]

Why are people acting like I'm saying anything that isn't obvious? Shirou reaches servant capabilities by not thinking too hard, why should EMIYA suddenly be incapable of doing the same thing with a much smaller ratio.

[forumghost]

tbf thinking about stuff too hard is pretty core to EMIYA's skillset.

Mayhaps Shirou was just too dumb to know that he couldn't do that before.