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[Rafflesiac]

Nah, Herk would've offed doujin fatman buzzcola if not for his Highly Convenient Grail Mud HE JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE DO YOU GET THE REFERENCE

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now I'm mad again, screw you narita

[Hakuno]

Also Herk while can resist CS he can't shrug them off, going from how he ended up in SF. The same probably applies to Gil. It just seems to much to fully go against the compulsion of a CS, even if they are as strong as Gil. He can resist it glorious but if a mage were to use all three on him I doubt even he could take it.

"By my Command Seal, I order you:"

"...Foolish."
The Heroic Spirit shook his head, judging that the man intended to impose his dominance by means of a Command Seal.
Restraints effected by means of a Command Seal were merely momentary. He knew that he could easily shake them off with his own magical energy. Even if he was ordered to kill himself with all three Command Seals, he judged that three suicides more or less would not pose a problem. He decided, however, that if the attempt would teach the mage the futility of binding him with Command Seals, and help him to understand his place, he would not prevent the mage from wasting one Seal.

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[Iceblade44]

But the commands Herk is thinking about is those that is meant to restrain and command, which Is like an up version of Rin's first command. He is not saying tho that he can resist the commands that would have his suicide, he'd still kill himself but that's no problem. From the way I read it it looks like to be talking about something different.

[Hakuno]

He is like "dude, no matter if you waste the 3 commands, i'll dont do-- shit what is this force that reminds me of the witches from my time?"
*Many people used as magical energy and mud shower

[fire_mountain_30]

"He is not saying tho that he can resist the commands that would have his suicide, he'd still kill himself but that's no problem. From the way I read it it looks like to be talking about something different"


3 suicides is no problem? damn. guy has as many lives as a cat

ah wait, that is probably what he is reffering to

[You]

youll find someone more fitting if you keep looking you dont worry

Stats were a mistake

[SpoonyViking]

Kinoko Nasu was a mistake.

[Canon]

Fanboys/girls are a mistake

[forumghost]

Fiction was a mistake.

[8000]

The universe was a mistake.

[Megas]

Stats were a mistake

[castor212]

I dont think what Herc do counts as resisting CSs

[You]

I dont think what Herc do counts as resisting CSs

But the commands Herk is thinking about is those that is meant to restrain and command, which Is like an up version of Rin's first command. He is not saying tho that he can resist the commands that would have his suicide, he'd still kill himself but that's no problem. From the way I read it it looks like to be talking about something different.

I was actually talking about this

The Berserker in the story was already an excellent Heroic Spirit, but due to the “maddening” he was transformed into an unstoppable monster.
If he was contracted to a normal Master, he would be capable of canceling their command spells, but as the Holy Grail Illyasviel has special command spells that can even reign in the unruly Berserker.
His true identity is the great hero of Greece, Heracles.

[forumghost]

Turns out that they're more "Strongly worded suggestion" seals.

That just wasn't as catchy.

[Deathhappens]

Turns out that they're more "Strongly worded suggestion" seals.

That just wasn't as catchy.

"The Nasuverse: Rules are more like guidelines, really."

[castor212]

Oh, that

[SpoonyViking]

Turns out that they're more "Strongly worded suggestion" seals.

That just wasn't as catchy.

Turns out holding a leash on legendary heroes is hard.

Still, it's not as if we don't have plenty of examples of CSes working as intended.

[fire_mountain_30]

well, just one final set of questions while i am at it.

at the end of volume 4, they mention that the speed of achilles' chariot is the speed of light. should that be taken seriously or not?

also, a friend pointed out to me that a piece of narration from the first Saber and Diarmuid fight says that they are close to that speed. should this be taken seriously?

[Rafflesiac]

Not unless you're memeing hardcore.

[AstralSword]

A friendly reminder that the holy grail war is a battle royale with the whole "there can be only one" clause.

There's never going to be a situation where the remaining servants don't come after her.
(also despite what he was saying to Shirou in UBW I kinda doubt that EMIYA would just let Medea keep suctioning people)

There is that. We never saw enough of her plan. Maybe she was going for "Suicide, Archer" after Berserker was dealt with. I dunno.
There would be Lancer, Assassin, Saber and Gilgamesh still left. Gilgamesh is needed because she is not going to kill herself to make the grail.

Rage quit over energy maths between 3000 years of history and the planet if I remember right.

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Snipe

I fully expect by the time it comes around we'll either have a TYPE SABER that's even stronger than Arc, or it will be revealed that Arc is actually just Saber's soul sent back in time to be reincarnated as ARCHETYPE EARTH. And that marble phantasm is actually just one of Excalibur's latent powers.

lol

Poor Dartz. Grand Order literally killed his chances of seeing Arc in action.
I wonder what would he think about BAA Nightmare with Arc there trolling people before the ending of part 1.

I kind of liked his flame wars back in the day. Meh.
Although I won't be surprised one bit if Arc end up being Arthuria's soul in the en----- *Shot*

At the risk of sounding like I'm wanking my waifu, could Jeanne resist being blackened by grail mud with MR EX? I'm thinking of how it let her resist Maria the Ripper, though I'm aware AM is definitely a more powerful curse than that.

Well, Avalon kind of did that in Fate route (I don't know if Saber herself could resist it, but Shirou did and he wasn't even half the magus he became in the other two routes). I know the mud works differently against servants, but a defensive NP can ward it off.

Maybe it could, but I am not sure.

While I don't remember the details, if Gil could resist it, there's at least a chance other Servants could do it too (pretty sure it's implied he didn't just use some NP to do it).
Not sure if MR would play a part in it, though. Seems more like a force of will/personality thing, otherwise Saber would've had much better odds at resisting as well.

Gil's ego overcame the curse. Likewise why Command Spells don't work on Gil.

Gilgamesh resisted it because of rule of cool. He had independent action of A-rank because that was the way to translate his "No one can order the king" attitude. The mud is not the main body of Angra, so he could take it like a champ thru sheer ego. He was corrupted anyway, though.

His mind is nowhere near what it was in Zero. He is utterly crazy in FSN.

Basically there are three things that can allow a Servant to resist CS

1) High enough levels of MR
2) High enough levels of IA
3) Being Gilgamesh

He is not immune to it, but can resist a lot if the order is not to his pleasing (actually trying to use a command spell at all would already lessen its effectiveness due to him not liking being ordered by lowlifes. Although a clear order might be too much for him to resist.